Treat people like animals for decades, it's no surprise how they act. Israel is at fault for both sides deaths.
No. Humans are more than their base instincts. Hamas should not have murdered civilians. Israel should not be abusing Gazans. Both are true at the same time.
"It is hard to remember that people can be both victim and perpetrator at the same time."
We try often try to assign one group as the good guys and the other as the bad guys. It doesn't work like that.
God especially on the internet, can't have any nuance about "well you're right, but that doesn't mean personal responsibility just ceases to exist" it's just "You're as extreme as me or you're on the other side"
Palestine isn't Hamas. Hamas doesn't represent all of Palestine
It does however represent the group that killed 1000+ people, mostly civilians, with no clear goal beyond their stated desire for Jewish extinction and radical islamic Sharia law to be spread as far as possible.
Palestine in general being a victim doesn't automatically make Hamas the good guys or their specific actions acceptable.
That doesn't mean you get to glass Palestine. If people really cared about dead babies and a death toll then they would be against Israel doing this.
I didn't say it did, though I suppose that goes for what I said as well.
Right, but more than one thing can be true at once.
Get yourself a lesson in History and don't just repeat the old antisemitic bullshit story.
The human cost of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict (deaths/injuries) documented by the UN:
2008:
Palestine ๐ต๐ธ : 3,202
Israel ๐ฎ๐ฑ : 853
2009:
Palestine ๐ต๐ธ : 7,460
Israel ๐ฎ๐ฑ : 123
2010:
Palestine ๐ต๐ธ : 1,659
Israel ๐ฎ๐ฑ : 185
2011:
Palestine ๐ต๐ธ : 2,260
Israel ๐ฎ๐ฑ : 136
2012:
Palestine ๐ต๐ธ : 4,936
Israel ๐ฎ๐ฑ : 578
2013:
Palestine ๐ต๐ธ : 4,031
Israel ๐ฎ๐ฑ : 157
2014 :
Palestine ๐ต๐ธ : 19,860
Israel ๐ฎ๐ฑ : 2,796
2015 :
Palestine ๐ต๐ธ : 14,813
Israel ๐ฎ๐ฑ : 339
2016:
Palestine ๐ต๐ธ : 3,572
Israel ๐ฎ๐ฑ : 222
2017:
Palestine ๐ต๐ธ : 8,526
Israel ๐ฎ๐ฑ : 174
2018:
Palestine ๐ต๐ธ : 31,558
Israel ๐ฎ๐ฑ : 130
2019:
Palestine ๐ต๐ธ : 15,628
Israel ๐ฎ๐ฑ : 133
2020:
Palestine ๐ต๐ธ : 2,781
Israel ๐ฎ๐ฑ : 61
Source: Gรฉopolia
Are these numbers civilian or combatant's deaths/injuries? What was the background? Who attacked, who defended itself?
You know, numbers without context are nothing more than numbers.
As I said already, get some lessons in History.
KTHXBYE
Can you provide any sources to assist in this history lesson you want people to have?
Seems like a fair and balanced fight
Jfc the irony in your comment
I personally don't like this "one site bad" thing(in this conflict at least). Of course, in terms of killed persons Israel is the bad guy, but also the things the Hamas did are pretty fucked up. I personally came to the conclusion that both sides are bad, Israel is allowed to defense itself against this brutality but shouldn't take the opportunity to absolutely fuck Palestine again(what it sadly does). I'm not for Israel or Palestine. I'm for the civilists and human rights.
You have to look at it in terms of power dynamics though. Israel is a uS backed settler colonial apartheid regime that propped up Hamas because they would rather face Islamic fundamentalists then socialist opposition. They're either directly or indirectly responsible for all of the violence.
Only one side could hypothetically end the violence tomorrow.
No, no, it's heroic when Isreal does it
Cause reasons
ESH.
I'm not going to sit on a platform that has this low bar for dumb "memes" and world views with that high upvote number.
Israel isn'treal.
Yeah this meme doesn't work for Hamas.... the person being shot isn't a child.
