"I don't disagree, but there is disagreement" Is essentially what he's saying. WTF. Just say you fucking disagree, or if you don't, why the fuck say anything at all? Is it because you're a homophobe?
In reality, I believe there are much greater, more important issues, such as justice, equality
mf saying they want to focus on equality while at the same time saying gay couples blessings, something that would bring EQUALITY, isn’t a priority… make it make sense 🤡
They believe marriage is for the sole purpose of procreation, which is their little loophole. They’re so weird about it that I’m surprised they’ve never pushed fertility tests as a pre requisite before allowing a marriage ceremony.
They don't believe that. They just say that. It'd be crazy if they actually believed it. Any reasonable person knows it's just bad faith rhetoric, not a true belief.
Having been raised in the faith (I’ve walked away for a multitude of reasons) I assure you they do believe it. You’re not even allowed to take contraceptives or have a vasectomy
If that actually were the belief, sterile people would not be allowed to be married, and people's marriages would be annualled when they become sterile, through age or otherwise. Unless they're asking for these, they do not believe it. They may believe that they believe it, but they don't.
They say those things are god’s will and thus not an issue. They leave the door open for “miracles” to occur.
Then they should be happy with same sex marriages. A miracle might occur with them just as well.
Works for me
Again, I'm reasonably certain they don't actually believe a 90 year old woman is suddenly going to get pregnant, or a woman who doesn't have a uterus anymore, or whatever else. These might be the words they're told to repeat to justify things, but they don't believe them. Not even the most devout would believe that.
They may believe God could technically do this, but then he could also technically do the same for same sex couples. He's omnipotent, according to them, after all. His powers are not limited to only making miracles pregnancies to hetero couples. It's no more outrageous than expecting people physically incapable of becoming pregnant becoming pregnant. If they justify this belief based on miricles, then same sex marriage is equally justified. (This is not their belief. They don't believe the former premise, but this is the conclusion that it'd lead to.)
Then they should dissolve their marriages once their children move out, having fulfilled its only purpose. Staying married after you’re done having kids is lust, pride, and vanity.
/s
marriage is a union between man and woman, as per the Bible
Bats are birds, as per the Bible. Donkeys talk, as per the Bible. Slave owning is cool as long as you don’t beat them to death, as per the Bible.
There’s plenty of stuff in the Bible that’s utter garbage.
verses please
Weak bait
not bait nor weak
Infertility is a cause for marriage annulation. So it's controlled, but a posteriori.
Why would gay couples want to be blessed by a religion that actively demonizes them?
There are plenty of LBG Christians. I will try to give you the 1 paragraph answer from a protestant.
All humans are sinners so religion "activity demonized" all of humanity. But luckily, all sins are forgiven through Jesus Christ. So whilst they may be living in sin, so is everyone and we are all forgiven equally.
If you didn't actually want an answer then it is you own fault for including the question mark.
No TQ Christians?
Because they were raised Catholic and they want their church to stop demonizing them. Blessing them would be a start. People are taught religion from a young age, perhaps younger than they have any kind of sexual identity. Therefore their whole concept of “them” may be as much Catholic as it is gay.
To troll the pope
proof?
Am I misreading? leo is saying he does NOT agree with the cardinal saying it's fine for same-sex marriage?
Yeah. Cause he's still a homophobic piece of shit, he's just an anti-war homophobic piece of shit. We should not be surprised by this.
figured as much, i guess. TIL the catholic church is bigoted as fuck. More at ten.
To his credit he is slightly less homophobic than is the norm for the Catholic Church. But that's kind of like saying someone is less fascist than Mussolini. Objectively better than the alternative, but not actually good.
homophobic? homophobic means hating gay people the pope does not hate ANY people he hates their sin all are welcome within the church
Just as I hate your sin of being a dumb fuck, but I love you as a person still.
thats not a sin and thanks
Periodic reminder: the Episcopal Church exists. Has all the rituals and sacraments, the Apostolic Succession, but also ordains women and Queer people to the priesthood and blesses their marriages. The Episcopal Church is present in Germany (part of the Episcopal Church in Europe, formerly known as the Convocation of Episcopal Churches in Europe).
so the catholic church but it is not catholic nor a church?
I'm not sure I understand this question. It's literally a church and it defines itself as part of the "One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church" same as the Roman Catholic Church does. That latter part is debated by the Roman Catholic Church (but even Pope Paul VI was open to the fact that Anglican Christianity sits in a space quite different from that of "Protestantism" writ large--the Episcopal Church is part of the global community of Anglican churches, being rooted in the Church of England).
a church that supports sin instead of trying to lesd people to Christ?-
Okay, now I see where you're coming from. If you actually want to engage with some different thinking about Christianity, here's a thing I wrote a ways back regarding same-sex marriage and the Church. It's not perfect and was debated a fair bit on a different Lemmy thread several weeks back, but I think it helps introduce some key thinking about this topic. But for some reason I suspect that you're not interested in a good-faith discussion.
the church of England, ah yes
Catholic but really not doesnt follow the pope at all
hmmmmmm
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