Even if you do something that is an oxymoron, that doesn't invalidate your position. I don't know if this is a good comparison, but I guess you could ask the same with makeup. Even if I don't do it by choice and wear it because I'm being pressured into it, doesn't make me less of a feminist or "weird" or whatever. Peer pressure can be very very subtle and we have a lot of internalized stuff going on that we may not have noticed is there yet
It’s simple: if she wants to wear it it’s fine. If it’s because they are forced to because men are so weak they can’t handle seeing any of a woman’s skin than no, it’s dumb.
Yeah I ain't touching the rest of this thread with a 10 foot pole.
Almost sounds like a bunch of French people trying to rationalize their shitty "hijab ban" laws which exclusively target Muslim women.
Hijab/niqab are a tool of the patriarchy. They keep women subservient to men. Abrahamic religions are inherently patriarchal and misogynistic. Women don't wear them because they want to, they wear them because they feel they have to.
And invalidating a woman's feminism because she wears a hijab is a tool of the patriarchy. That is the point.
I have worn a scarf in the style of a hijab because I was protesting and wanted to reduce the amount of identifiable attributes that could’ve photographed.
I have worn skull caps (like those surgeons wear) and head scarfs to reduce the damage to my hair and pain to my scalp from the rubber straps of N95 respirators.
Neither of these occasions were men in any influence on my decisions.
Well, I'm glad you're here to tell us how women feel. For a moment there I thought I might have had to listen to a woman's opinion.
Don't you just wake up someday and want to wear an oppression symbol like a kkk hood or a noose around your neck? Isn't that just empowering? /s
Not to mention the most often have to under threat of death. If a feminist chooses to wear one it is the single most absurd garment to wear.
Not to mention the most often have to under threat of death.
Tell me, in which countries is this the case? And then tell me, which are the countries with the most muslims?
I'm sure you'll be able to process that information to come to the result by yourself, that you're spreading lies.
Yeah, while the short and overly sexualizing clothing women wear in the west are of course tools of feminism, as everybody knows.
And you, most likely a man, dictating what women do or don't do out of free will is what? Oh wait, it sounds not only inherently patriarchal and misogynistic, but also absolutely western centric and islamophobic.
Now all you have to do is to tell me that you want to see their beautiful hair, and their nice figure, and we have a bingo.
Yeah, while the short and overly sexualizing clothing women wear in the west are of course tools of feminism, as everybody knows.
Yeah, people disagreeing with the OP aren't doing so out of a consistent commitment to feminism, they're largely doing it out of orientalism.
Lots of women wear Hijab's for reasons not overtly enforced by men. Lots of Muslim women don't wear them. Lots of Muslim women who choose to wear hijabs put an awful lot of effort into styling them in ways that make them feel good. Lots of non-Muslim middle easterners wear them because that's a part of the world with lots of sand, and getting that shit in your hair sucks.
Believe it or not, an entire religion and part of the world isn't as simple as images of ISIS ghouls killing women for not wearing a Niqab.
Not if men made you wear it. Or men made you think you must wear it.
Or even other women made you think you must wear it.
Same thing applied to women pressed into convents vs nuns. Or someone ordered into a long skirt vs choosing. The issue is choice, as it always is.
Side-comment: what a surprise that the account posting the surface-level (quite possibly disingenuous) comment has what appears (to me) to be an AI-generated profile pic of a (conventionally) attractive slim blonde woman! It's almost like it's not an actual woman making the comment, and they're making the comment primarily for/towards other non-women...
More seriously, it reeks of the same tone as Musk's "concerning." tweets.
Rage bait
Oh, look, people! ANOTHER Redcap guy lowering himself to tell us what's what! This never gets tedious and boring.
Oh no, people might have opinions! Learn to curate your feed.
I seem to be in the minority here, but I totally support her wearing one. In some cultures me wearing clothing covering my top half could be seen as OTT but it's really important to me that I wear it. Covering my top half when meme don't automatically have to can be seen as patriarchy, but I would feel awful without wearing tops.
Nothing is more reliable than posting about women's autonomy then to have men come doubt if she is even capable of making such a choice.
Clearly some men understand the effects of patriarchy on women far greater than a woman ever could. 🙄
Hold on, you can't be a real feminist, you're wearing a hat ! 😂
In real life, the thing you can't do to if you're a real feminist is (attempt to) force other women to wear, or not wear, a particular type of hat.
Oh but you see, brown women are all helpless brainwashed babies incapable of making their own decisions!
You think you're jesting, but I've seen exactly that attitude coming from feminist groups in my university days. Indeed it was exactly that attitude that killed the NAC in Canada.
A woman wearing a t-shirt saying "Fuck Feminism"
Feminist of not?
Gratuitous mention of edge case.
Derailing or not?
spoiler
Yes.
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These kind of posts were pretty common post 9/11 as well. People who don’t actually care about women suddenly super concerned about this issue. But ask them about the issues closest to them and they are definitely not supportive of feminism.
100% agreed and, indeed, people try to shame hijab wearers in my presence at intense risk of their eardrums.
The people who say things like the top person are the same people who claim that they're feminists when all they do is attack trans people.
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