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An internal Pentagon email outlines options for the United States to ​punish NATO allies it believes failed to support U.S. operations in the war with Iran, including suspending Spain from the alliance and reviewing the U.S. position on Britain's claim to the Falkland Islands, a U.S. official ‌told Reuters.

The policy options are detailed in a note expressing frustration at some allies' perceived reluctance or refusal to grant the United States access, basing and overflight rights - known as ABO - for the Iran war, said the official, who spoke on condition of anonymity to describe the email.

The email stated that ABO is "just the absolute baseline for NATO," according to the official, who added that the options were circulating at high levels in the Pentagon.

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[-] phutatorius@lemmy.zip 110 points 1 month ago

NATO is a defensive treaty. No NATO member was attacked by Iran. As usual, Trump is full of shit.

[-] skisnow@lemmy.ca 24 points 1 month ago

Remember, when they say something obviously untrue, it’s not because they think you’ll believe it, it’s because they need it to be true in order to justify what they’re going to do next.

[-] rwrwefwef@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 month ago

No NATO member was attacked by Iran.

Depends if you consider drone attacks on Cyprus and Turkey to be genuine.

[-] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 67 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Afaik there’s no mechanism within the nato charter or any of its founding documents or principles that would allow this. So the US doing this would probably only hasten NATO falling apart, and lead to the forming of a new iteration of it without the US.

Edit: and, uh, NATO itself agrees with that first part

[-] Magister@lemmy.world 65 points 1 month ago

Without the US? How the North American Treaty Organization exists without US?

[-] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 42 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Lmfao NYT coming in hot with the AI slop 🤪

Honestly though, that’s a hilariously bad and super obvious fuck-up

[-] axh@lemmy.world 20 points 1 month ago

AI slop? I'll bet it is not Artificial Intelligence, current models are way too good for that. This here is some Natural Stupidity.

[-] MousePotatoDoesStuff@piefed.social 12 points 1 month ago

100% organic human slop

[-] skisnow@lemmy.ca 7 points 1 month ago

I wouldn’t say they’re too good, but the kind of mistakes they make are different to this one.

Iirc they replaced a bunch of editors with LLM review

[-] panda_abyss@lemmy.ca 24 points 1 month ago

Also, even if NATO stood for that, Canada is in NATO, so it’s still North American. The US does not own the Americas.

[-] porcoesphino@mander.xyz 15 points 1 month ago

And it should end with "without the US". Fuck the US and their center of the world bullshit, there are a lot of beautiful countries in the Americas

[-] portuga@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago
[-] CIA_chatbot@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Does not own the America’s yet

~please note that this is just a joke based on my username and Iwholeheartedlywishsomeonewouldsavemefromthisgoddamnfuckingnightmarehesusfuckongchristaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhh~

[-] rwrwefwef@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 month ago

Canada is in NATO, so it’s still North American

...not for long, according to Trump himself.

[-] gigachad@piefed.social 4 points 1 month ago
[-] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Yeah, this is a really good way to just end up with 'EUTO' or something like that, and then the US losing its leases on... what, basically all of the European bases sans the UK?

That would uh, kinda royally fuck our logistics, even more than they are currently fucked.

Anyway, I guess we should just rename London 'Airstrip One' at this point.

Honestly, given how idiotic we’re being these days, I wouldn’t be super shocked if the UK also told us to kindly fuck off.

[-] Asafum@lemmy.world 41 points 1 month ago

Isn't NATO a defensive organization? Crybaby taco Trump is acting like they're his personal army and if they don't attack who he says to attack then they should be punished....

[-] hellequin67@lemmy.zip 33 points 1 month ago

I'm sure Spain wouldn't mind. At the same time they can leave all their bases in Spain. Frankly at this point NATO would be better off without the US.

It's time Europe stood in it's own, but for US that means leaving all bases in Europe and Europe no longer sharing intelligence or purchasing US military hardware.

Good luck being a pariah state.

[-] WanderingThoughts@europe.pub 20 points 1 month ago

EU is also reducing and disconnecting financial systems, infrastructure, software, critical trade and a bunch of other dependencies. The US and their businesses are less happy about that part.

[-] kablez@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago

I pity any country that is slugged with buying food from the US. For a country obsessed with meat, they sure are bad at producing any worth a damn.

[-] mkwt@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

And they can kick NASA out of the Madrid station on the Deep Space Network.

[-] Not_mikey@lemmy.dbzer0.com 23 points 1 month ago

So they get all the protection of NATO, since geographically Russia would have to fight there way through the rest of Europe to get there, with none of the obligations.

Trump proving he is the master of the art of the deal

[-] fox2263@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago

There’s the other direction …

[-] lauha@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

There's only russia to the east

[-] fox2263@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Oh you’re on about Spain

[-] lauha@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago
[-] Danquebec@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 month ago
[-] DandomRude@lemmy.world 14 points 1 month ago

All the more reason for the EU to leave NATO as a united bloc.

What value does a defense alliance have when the most influential country in its ranks is ruled by a psychopath who openly threatens its members with a war of aggression and commits the most heinous war crimes elsewhere in the world?

We simply have to be realistic: The U.S. is now the enemy of the free world. Nothing will ever change that, because the American people will never rise up against their own downfall.

[-] ThePowerOfGeek@lemmy.world 11 points 1 month ago

Create NATO GOLD, consisting of all of NATO minus America. The 'GOLD' would just be to annoy Trump.

[-] skisnow@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 month ago

$NATO anyone?

[-] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 2 points 1 month ago

The U.S. is now the enemy of the free world.

Correction: The "free world" is the enemy of the free world, because that's how late stage capitalism works. The EU seems poised to follow in America's footsteps, if anything. Also if the "most heinous war crimes" part was a dealbreaker NATO never would've existed.

[-] Doomsider@lemmy.world 11 points 1 month ago

Spain has pushed back against the Palestinian Genocide and has become the most critical EU country againt Isreal.

Of course the US has to make an example out of them before it spreads.

Don't fall for the propaganda.

[-] melsaskca@lemmy.ca 7 points 1 month ago

trump still thinks america is boss of the world. If anything, the UN is the boss of the world. We need to make it (the U.N.) stronger in our push for united globalization. It's hard though when you find corruption everywhere on all sides.

[-] Tronn4@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago

Directed by Isreal no doubt

[-] nkat2112@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 month ago

They might wish to learn more of what it takes to float tankers through a particular strait rather than dumb ideas.

[-] JoMiran@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 month ago

NATO is already dead. Nobody believes that the.participating nations will act to protect one another.

[-] Dragomus@lemmy.world 10 points 1 month ago

If an enemy actually comes they will defend one another ... but the suspicion lies in that only the US just goes meh, not interested.

On top of that, trump seems to reason to himself that he is being attacked by Iran, and therefore NATO (which is a defensive only alliance) is supposed to help, which it is not.

Trump attacked Iran... for dubious reasons worse than the Iraq debacle, so the allies who trump already spat in their faces have no interest getting pulled into his war whatsoever.
This is trump's war on all fronts, not NATO's, and does not come with a moral contract to let him use any other countries' assets if they disagree.

The situation would change dramatically if Iran actually did attack a NATO member.

[-] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

Yeah, you'll absolutely see Canadian and French, even Turkish boots on the ground if Germany calls for self defense. The US on the other hand depends on trump's mood (though actually I suspect congress would rapidly declare war to defend them)

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