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IDF extends evacuation order to October 14th (lemmy.world)

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The IDF Spokesman Twitter account for Arabic has published guidance for Gazans to evacuate along two main roads between 10am and 4pm today (October 14th).

Translation courtesy of @hassanmckusick:

#Urgent Important statement for residents of Gaza City In recent days, we have appealed to you to leave Gaza City to the south of Wadi Gaza in order to preserve your safety. I would like to inform you that the IDF will allow movement on the indicated streets without any harm between the hours of 10:00 - 16:00. For your safety, take advantage of the short time to move towards the south - from Beit Hanoun to Khan Yunis. If you care about yourself and your loved ones, go south as instructed. Rest assured that Hamas leaders have taken care of themselves and are taking cover from strikes in the region. Residents of Al-Shati, Al-Rimal and West Al-Zaytoun will also be allowed to move on Daldul and Al-Sanaa Streets towards my street By At Saladin and the sea

Jerboa doesn't show the link and the picture together: https://twitter.com/AvichayAdraee/status/1713065991511388610

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[-] Alteon@lemmy.world 106 points 11 months ago

Fuck Israel for doing this. Displacing an entire population of people. I'd bet money that MOSAD knew about this attack (maybe not to this degree), but expected that it'd give them all the political ammunition that they'd need to fuck over Palestinians even worse than they already have it.

[-] Milan@feddit.nl 50 points 11 months ago

I don't think they did, at least not the extent of it. It was a massive embarrassment to Netanyahu. 86% of jewish Israelis blame him for the attacks and more than half are asking him to resign.

[-] keardap@lemmy.selfhost.quest 36 points 11 months ago

This is a major intelligence fuckup. Bibi is done for.

Fuck both Hammas and Israel politics for this. Hammas built tunnles under civilian infrastructure (hospital, apartment buildings, kindergarten) in Gaza Strip and hides there.

[-] EatBorekYouWreck@lemmy.world 10 points 11 months ago

Mosad does not operate in Palestinian Territories

[-] Uranium3006@kbin.social 17 points 11 months ago

Are you sure.about that? Or are you saying it's shin bet's jurisdiction?

[-] lol3droflxp@kbin.social 9 points 11 months ago

Shin Bet is responsible

[-] EatBorekYouWreck@lemmy.world 8 points 11 months ago

Yes, it’s shin bet’s jurisdiction

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[-] merthyr1831@lemmy.world 8 points 11 months ago

I'm sure one of the largest and most advanced intelligence services in the world isn't operating in a neighbouring territory which their bosses have significant geopolitical interests

[-] EatBorekYouWreck@lemmy.world 9 points 11 months ago

Idk what to tell you, that’s just not their job. Since Palestinian affeirs were considered domestic historically and therefore the Shin Bet handles them. It stayed that way when Israel withdrew from Gaza

[-] merthyr1831@lemmy.world 6 points 11 months ago

Oh, the point being Mossad vs Shin Bet pedantics.

I mean, sure, but it's like how people might use MI6/MI5 or FBI/CIA interchangeably. I wouldn't get too deep about it.

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[-] merthyr1831@lemmy.world 8 points 11 months ago

Shin Bet (Mossad but domestic issues) DID actually warn the Likud party and Ben Netanyahu that the increased violence supported by the Israeli state against Palestinians in the West Bank (Al Aqsa Mosque, Jenin etc.) were going to increase tensions and risk a Hamas response.

They were largely ignored, mocked, or slandered as deep state arab supporters. Make no mistake that this is not only does this war serve Likud and Bibi, but also their long term interests in cleansing the west bank of Palestinians.

Also, Likud and Bibi's successive govts took multiple policies to push Hamas into conflict with the Palestinian Authority (the actual elected govt of the West Bank) and in turn keep their political modus operandi against Palestinians from weakening.

[-] merthyr1831@lemmy.world 65 points 11 months ago

if they're posting it to twitter, hearing in mind power and internet are totally cut in Gaza, this is for YOU to read, not Palestinians.

when civilians are inevitably killed they'll tell the press that it was "clearly communicated through official channels" and everyone online will just take the IDF at its word.

[-] TheBlue22 34 points 11 months ago

They are also dropping leaflets.

Not defending the IDF, just saying

[-] yakultdrinkr@lemdro.id 18 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

I think they've been dropping leaflets and some people still have access.

[-] merthyr1831@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago

Sure, but the act of telling the UN and social media was to make the case of the fabled civilian insurgent when these people are killed, including the ones killed by IDF when travelling along the very roads in the graphic.

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[-] slaughtermouse@lemmy.world 60 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

That's an ominously round shapefile they used to mark the evacuation boundary..

[-] lud@lemm.ee 24 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Here's approximately how long it would take to traverse from inside the city to outside the circle + eventually extra traffic: https://i.imgur.com/aZxkGlt.png

[-] nyoooom@lemmy.world 41 points 11 months ago

Except you have a million people trying to do the same, that's extra extra extra taffic

[-] redcalcium@lemmy.institute 39 points 11 months ago

Imagine hauling your grandma and toddlers across 24km of crowded street with occasional rubbles, and you need to cross them within 6 hours or risk a fiery death. Totally doable! /s

[-] Amaltheamannen@lemmy.ml 33 points 11 months ago

Because everyone has a car and driving through rubble is no problem. Especially with a million people who do not have electricity, fuel or food.

[-] lud@lemm.ee 10 points 11 months ago

I take no position, if this is good or bad. I have my opinion but I don't want any arguments with either side, so I just posted objective facts.

I was just curious on the distance and figured other people would also want to know.

[-] hassanmckusick@lemmy.discothe.quest 13 points 11 months ago

It is also an objective fact that only about 1/3 of Palestinian households own a car so for the average able bodied Palestinian it will be a ~4.5 hour walk assuming no traffic

[-] SkyezOpen@lemmy.world 11 points 11 months ago

And then throw in the fact that they're displacing over a million people. There will be traffic like never before.

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[-] filister@lemmy.world 6 points 11 months ago

Your link is assuming more or less perfect conditions, right now probably some of this road is destroyed and completely packed with people, livestock and what not.

[-] lud@lemm.ee 5 points 11 months ago

Yeah, obviously.

I just checked just now and it still alright fine, but that doesn't matter when Israel bombs the "safe" route anyways: https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-middle-east-67108364

Maybe google's congestion tracking doesn't work well there, dunno.

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[-] TonyTonyChopper@mander.xyz 20 points 11 months ago

terrible time to assume they are using cars

[-] naalo@lemm.ee 12 points 11 months ago

Right? How can they afford a car if they can't even afford food and are unemployed.

[-] merthyr1831@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago

no fuel, no power, no food, no water.

[-] yakultdrinkr@lemdro.id 5 points 11 months ago

Thanks for sharing. I wonder what the walking estimate is and driving with traffic.

[-] lud@lemm.ee 6 points 11 months ago

The walking estimate is around 5 hours

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[-] hassanmckusick@lemmy.discothe.quest 22 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Translation:

The safe way to move civilians south

Street name 1

Street name 2

Yellow line: Safe route

Dotted lines: Gaza Border

Source: Google translate app

[-] FireTower@lemmy.world 16 points 11 months ago

Also those paths are roughly 10 miles long for anyone unfamiliar with the region or to lazy to check Google maps.

[-] jonne@infosec.pub 20 points 11 months ago

And Israel has already bombed a convoy following that exact route. There's no reason for Palestinians to trust this, if they could even get on the internet to begin with.

[-] JimmyMcGill@lemmy.world 13 points 11 months ago

Can you share a link about that?

[-] hassanmckusick@lemmy.discothe.quest 12 points 11 months ago

Prob this: https://www.msnbc.com/katy-tur/watch/70-killed-after-convoys-of-evacuees-in-gaza-hit-by-israeli-strikes-195213381735

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[-] robocall@lemmy.world 11 points 11 months ago

It would help if the IDF drove some civilians that have mobility issues or arranged shelters for people to stay in.

Also if every hospital is at capacity, where do the patients in the north side go? I hope the IDF doesn't blow them up.

[-] keardap@lemmy.selfhost.quest 25 points 11 months ago

IDF cannot go there, Hammas will open fire. Hammas on the otherhand can drive them away, but won't, they keep them as human shield.

[-] EatBorekYouWreck@lemmy.world 21 points 11 months ago

Gaza, is not controlled by the IDF, it is fully free, sovereign, and governed by Hamas. The IDF cannot drive people around, it’s not their territory.

[-] hassanmckusick@lemmy.discothe.quest 7 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

The IDF cannot drive people around, it’s not their territory.

Too bad Israel keeps killing amnesty workers or I bet they would volunteer: https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/nine-staffers-working-with-un-palestinian-refugee-agency-killed-air-strikes-gaza-2023-10-11/

Oh lemme guess, it's a feature not a bug?

[-] EatBorekYouWreck@lemmy.world 8 points 11 months ago

This is very unfortunate, I don’t want to lessen the severity of this. But I want to stress that Israel had stated many times in this conflict that Hamas is the sole target of the attacks. I also want to stress the measures that Israel had taken in order to prevent killings of innocent bystanders, from roof-knocking, calling people’s homes, throwing pamphlets from the sky etc. warning people in the area of attack. These measures are not employed anywhere else in the world, not in Ukraine, not in Armenia and most certainly that did not happen last saturday when Hamas attacked Israel. I see all the posts against Israel’s warnings and I just don’t get it. It is supposed to be the responsibility of Hamas as the elected government in Gaza to evacuate people from warzone (just like how Israel had evacuated over a million civilians from around gaza and Lebanon to keep them safe). But since they don’t do that, Israel reveals its war plans and literally tells when and where they plan to attack, in order to keep people safe.

[-] hassanmckusick@lemmy.discothe.quest 5 points 11 months ago

Too many words, don't care, didn't read. Don't kill amnesty workers and journalists. No excuses.

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[-] filister@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago

Wikipedia might disagree with you. You can compare the civilian casualties on both sides since 2001 and it is immediately obvious that Israel simply doesn't care. Israeli settlers killing some Palestinian, no investigation.

IDF killing kids for throwing stones, no problem.

IDF killing journalists, again, no persecution, no effective sentences, nothing. And all this coming from an historically oppressed nation, oh the turn tables.

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[-] Eheran@lemmy.world 13 points 11 months ago

The IDF can not simply go there, Hamas wound instantly open fire.

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