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submitted 1 week ago by guymontag@lemmy.ml to c/privacy@lemmy.ml

Is it still viable to use Signal for privacy in 2026? It's centralized, and has had many suspicious occurrences in the past.(Unopen source server code, careless whisper exploit which is still active as far as I know, and the whole mobile coin situation.)

Thoughts?

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[-] airikr@lemmy.ml 16 points 6 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

If you don't care about sharing your phone number with Signal and a third-party company (Signal refuses to state what company it is) that send the text message with the activation code to you. And if you don't care that everything will be saved on servers maintained by Amazon in USA.

Then yes, Signal is the right app for you even in 2026.

But if you do care (and you should) about your phone number and the location of your data, you should focus on something more privacy like XMPP (Snikket would be the easiest way to setup your own server) and SimpleX.

XMPP (for an example Snikket) uses OMEMO and OMEMO is based on Signal Protocol.

[-] axx@slrpnk.net 2 points 5 days ago

OMEMO is probably good enough, but i wouldn't assume it's the same quality as the Signal protocol it's based on (this analysis isn't too positive: https://soatok.blog/2024/08/04/against-xmppomemo/)

[-] BillMangionee@lemmy.ml 10 points 5 days ago

In my experience, the bigger issue is folks just completely ignore OPSEC once they get on signal.

The centralized component is pretty concerning. Imagine if protests like in Iran earlier this year were to occur in the States. The Feds would immediately seize or DDOS those servers during nationwide unrest, before cutting the internet which is basically an inside out panopticon.

EOD it depends on your threat model. You're probably not on Signal if your life depends on it anyway.

Plus, its always useful to not have my texts immediately read and sent to advertisers.

[-] Zak@lemmy.world 18 points 6 days ago

Who do you want privacy from and why?

That's not a rhetorical question. It matters. If you want privacy from corporations and governments doing mass surveillance because you're against mass surveillance in principle, Signal is great! As long as you don't give janky apps permission to read your notifications, or you limit what Signal shows in its notifications, your device won't leak to those kinds of threat actors. You can't be sure everyone you talk to is as fastidious though.

If the cops, gangsters, or similar are likely to target you and the people you're talking to directly, there's a good chance just using Signal without a security plan won't keep them from getting the contents of the conversation as in this recent incident where the FBI extracted deleted messages from notification logs. To defend against that specific attack, everyone needs to configure Signal to keep message content and contact details out of the notification. Dedicated devices for secure communication set up by someone who knows what they're doing are ideal in this situation. Signal is still a good choice here, but Signal alone won't guarantee privacy.

If you're being targeted by an intelligence agency from a rich country that has allocated a significant budget to surveil you in particular, you're probably screwed. There's plenty of public information about how US government officials and contractors are required to work with classified information to get a sense of how you might try to mount a defense. It's guaranteed to be inconvenient.

[-] eldavi@lemmy.ml 9 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

agreed and to add to this:

Dedicated devices for secure communication set up by someone who knows what they’re doing are ideal in this situation.

becoming your own expert is unfeasible for 99.999999999999999999999999999999999% of people and expecting it is no different than expecting people to become their own lawyer, dentist, or doctor.

If you’re being targeted by an intelligence agency from a rich country that has allocated a significant budget to surveil you in particular, you’re probably screwed

the bar against protecting yourself from the local police in the united states is MUCH lower than the cia, nsa, mossad, etc. and should be the goal of most projects since it's the most realistic and the most likely to happen; there's next to nothing that can be done against he alternatives.

the alternative is that unfeasible ultra high bar and judges in the united states have a history of holding people in jail for years for contempt of court of not providing passwords or using duress like options on their electronic equipment.

[-] dessalines@lemmy.ml 19 points 6 days ago

PRODUCT PITCH: Hey everyone, I have a great idea for a secure / private messaging service.

It's hosted in the US, subject to its pervasive spying laws including national security letters.

Also I need all your phone numbers.

Also no you can't host this yourself, I run the only server.


Everyone who uses signal and supports it, is falling for this pitch.

Why not signal?

[-] voxel@feddit.uk 5 points 6 days ago

I read the article in the past, and it is still as flawed as it used to be. You're quite extremist without much legitimate reason. Signal is and will likely stay for the foreseeable time one of the most secure and private messengers.

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 3 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Whenever Signal advocates chime in, they never help beat the allegation of being a cult that cannot be reasoned with.

[-] voxel@feddit.uk 2 points 5 days ago

Personal attacks are used by people who lack valid arguments; therefore, I will block you to protect my psychological well-being.

Anyone interested in discussing actual Signal flaws, like the unecessary phone number requirement is free to reply and do so.

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 3 points 5 days ago
[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 4 points 6 days ago

One of the most sus things about Signal is the cult following it has. I really can't think of any other chat app that will have people coming out of the woodwork advocating for it while telling you not to use anything else. There's absolutely nothing special about Signal that would warrant this. It's at best a mediocre user experience, it still handles a lot of things like switching devices really poorly. It's open source in name only. There's just no reason why it should be this popular on its own merits.

[-] axx@slrpnk.net 1 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

I think you're missing historical context. There are more options now, but when Signal came out (or became Signal, after TextSecure), it was the only tool to offer such strong cryptographic properties with its then novel double ratchet algorithm. Compared to OTR and, much worse, all the other crap that was not E2E encrypted at all, it was the first really credible option on a mass scale.

The crypto was reviewed by well-considered experts, and came out looking strong.

Telegram fought for years trying to say they were just as good and in fact better, which is entirely disingenuous considering it's not an encrypted messaging app.

These things contributed to what you call the cult following. Which wouldn't be negative (a cult film has a cult following) if not intended to mean "a cult like Scientology".

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 1 points 5 days ago

But that's precisely what makes the whole thing cultish in a negative sense. A decade ago you could make the argument that Signal was doing something special, but that hasn't been the case for a long time. The continued adherence to the app is utterly irrational today.

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[-] HulkSmashBurgers@reddthat.com 5 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

I think for talking to friends and family it's fine I think.

If you're someone that would get more scrutiny from goverment organizations because of your activities (journalist, crime boss, sex worker, etc) you might want to use something more secure.

~~I have no idea what these more secure applications are.~~

Edit: Just did a quick search to see what i2p has for messaging:

I2P has messaging applications such as I2P-Messenger and I2P-Talk, which provide end-to-end encrypted communication without the need for servers. These applications allow for anonymous messaging and file transfers.

I2P-Messenger: A serverless, end-to-end encrypted instant messenger that allows users to chat anonymously. It does not log conversations, ensuring privacy. File transfer is also supported.

I2P-Talk: Another instant messaging application that provides similar security features as I2P-Messenger but is incompatible with it.

The above our super hardcore solutions that isn't neccesary for regular day to day messaging, but useful for more extreme cases. I've never used i2p or these two chat apps so I can't speak to how well they work.

[-] communism@lemmy.ml 10 points 6 days ago

As per usual, the answer is "depends on your threat model". For a lot of sensitive communications, the centralised design and therefore ability to correlate metadata is a no-go. But if you're just using it e.g. as a WhatsApp replacement to message your friends, it's fine. It's still the most polished and normie-friendly e2ee foss messenger.

[-] emotional_soup_88@programming.dev 12 points 6 days ago
[-] alia@nord.pub 4 points 6 days ago

I wish this was available for iOS.

[-] lemmy@monero.you 9 points 6 days ago

if you are super private person or want to be anonymous, maybe you can choose SimpleX.

[-] utopiah@lemmy.ml 9 points 6 days ago

IMHO the question depends on :

  • who you are (boring, rando, political dissident, journalist, etc)
  • who you talk to (family, friends, work, etc)
  • what alternatives actually exist

So... sure Signal is not perfect but if you can't convince your family members to move to DeltaChat it sure beats using WhatsApp, Telegram, etc.

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[-] Unifier2661@lemmy.today 5 points 6 days ago

Signal for people I know IRL, Simplex for those I don't.

[-] autonomous@lemmy.world 7 points 6 days ago

Just remember that if you, or anyone you are talking to, has notifications turned on (in the app itself), that conversation is now outside of signal and a lot easier to get to.

[-] lol_idk@piefed.social 1 points 2 days ago

Didn’t they just fix this this week?

[-] XTL@sopuli.xyz 17 points 6 days ago

Which is an everything problem, not a signal problem. Just in case it sounds like a signal problem.

[-] alia@nord.pub 8 points 6 days ago

This was recently kinda misrepresented in the media, in my opinion.

Yes, notifications can leave traces. But it’s traces on the device itself that can be forensically extracted. Though notifications are pushed through Apple’s/Google’s servers, the contents are encrypted end-to-end.

[-] bonenode@piefed.social 6 points 6 days ago

Not if you set notifications to not show any content. Other than the sender, of course, which could be problematic depending who sends the message.

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[-] alia@nord.pub 4 points 6 days ago

I trust Signal and like it a lot, but I do wish they’d remove the stupid MobileCoin rubbish.

[-] zdhzm2pgp@lemmy.ml 4 points 6 days ago

Agreed! I won't consider donating to them until they drop it.

[-] bridgeenjoyer@sh.itjust.works 3 points 6 days ago

Signal is the only thing I can get normies to use. Its that, or SMS, fb, or WhatsApp. And i refuse to use those.

[-] kahoodd@reddthat.com 3 points 6 days ago
[-] bridgeenjoyer@sh.itjust.works 4 points 6 days ago

And also have 0 friends 😅

Seriously, not a single real life person is going to use something like xmpp.

[-] erb013kt@lemmy.ml 5 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

I use XMPP. Don't be hatin'.

[-] bridgeenjoyer@sh.itjust.works 4 points 6 days ago

No hatin, just saying normies ain't gonna use that.

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