Really not digging the pg-13 stuff. Lemmy has an older demographic than most social media. And it's certainly not up to us to censor in case of someone's spouse (???).

I'm fine with disallowing full nudity but NSFW is meant for stuff that can be seen at a glance, not for a coworker or kid breaking into our phones and actually reading the content.

Yes it was like that in the rules before but it was not enforced and it doesn't seem like something the community thinks needs rectifying.

Tagging anything mildly spicy isn't a compromise! I do not surf here with the NSFW on, most people don't either. I'm not on Lemmy to look at porn but that doesn't mean I want it clear of anything related to sex. This isn't a church.

Sorry if I'm being a dick, but reading the comments, it seems like most people have a problem with it and you haven't properly addressed it.

"Raunchy" is fine, anything with explicit sex or nudity behind a tag. No censorship for the jokes actual content (text) whatsoever. It's that simple.

Thanks in any case, I'm just happy that loser finally got banned.

I haven't seen this mentioned (sorry if it was and I missed it), but I want to question rule 2a:

Comics should be a full story, from start to finish, in one post.

Even in the newspaper days, it was common for comic strips to have ongoing plots, with each day's strip presenting the next part in the story (with the plot usually starting on Monday and being resolved by week's end, although some were ongoing serials, iirc Dick Tracy was like this). So the way this rule reads, it sounds like you would need to publish all strips from the same storyline together.

I think you're trying to prevent someone from breaking up comics that were initially presented together and intended to be read in one chunk, or otherwise truncated? It's hard to recommend alternative text since so many exceptions exist (what if the panels were originally posted one at a time? what about bonus panels? What if the bonus panel was only published to patreons? What if the strip was reformatted from a graphic novel for mobile-friendly re-publication? etc etc.) But maybe something like this would work: comics should be posted in their original format (e.g. multi-panel strips should not be split up). But this is already covered somewhat by rule 4a: "Comics should [...] be unmodified." So maybe rule 2a is unneeded and only causes unnecessary confusion?

Tough on Beeps, tough on the causes of Beeps!

I think the 7th rule could be modified a bit, Lemmy has language-tagging functionality built-in, so the rules could just mandate that every post be tagged properly (without the [Language] part of the title).

Could you please clarify in the rules which definition the word "should" follows?

Removal of the spoiler tags definitely made the rules more difficult to read.

A version history of rule changes would have been helpful.

A community of this size really should have more than one mod. I do see you are looking for more mods though.

A jump from 2 a day posts to 5 seems like a bit much. I think 3 would be a better place.

See I'd have just made an anti-Beep rule and called it a day, good on you for really diving into the role o7

I'm really liking the revised rules as of this comment. Thank you for taking this on!

👶 Keep it at PG/PEGI 7

Can we add an 'unless tagged NSFW' addendum to this? There's plenty of quality NSFW things that get posted here (e.g. Oglaf comics) and I for one would be sad to see them go (or to have to create a new community for those things).

Edit: To add to this, looking back at post history, it looks like we get about 1 NSFW post per week here, give or take. Have those really been problematic enough to warrant a ban (when appropriately tagged?)

Proposal of a new rule: Every post must have the author's name and name of the series (if any) in the title in a given format.

Purpose: for users who want certain contents filtered out.

Example: [da Vinci][Jesus's Delicious Meals] The Last Supper

In response to those who have mentioned the PG/PEGI 7 rule, how does this work for a compromise?

🏘️ Community Standards

Posts should be safe and enjoyable by the majority of community members, both here on lemmy.world and other instances. Any comic that would qualify as raunchy, lewd, or otherwise draw unwanted attention by nosy coworkers, spouses, or family members should be tagged as NSFW.

Graphic content of any kind will not be tolerated. This includes gore, pornography, or violence.

Moderators have final say on what and what does not qualify as safe and enjoyable. Use common sense, and if need be, err on the side of caution.

Very glad to see this. Obviously this whole thing is happening because of that one troll who was removing attributions from comics. So my question for you is: can you go ahead and remove everything he ever posted here?

Because as long as the unattributed versions are sitting out there, they're liable to be reposted elsewhere, making it harder to find the real versions. It should be stopped at the source as soon as possible.

Other than that, I see that everyone else is already on you about the PG thing.

My origin story on Lemmy is that the first thing I ever posted here was an original comic that I hadn't put anywhere else. It was a Lemmy exclusive, which obviously is not a thing people really do. It got removed because it had the word "balls" in it.

So I posted it to reddit. It hit the front page immediately, and it's been reposted tens of thousands of times across the internet since then. Not to toot my own horn or anything, but I think that means it was some premium content, which seems like something the largest webcomic community on Lemmy would want.

Anyway, I'm actually fine with not allowing full-blown nsfw content here, but "balls" should be allowed.

Thank you so much, jerkface! We really appreciate you stepping up.

Hopefully this puts an end to beep’s shenanigans.

<3

+1 for attribution

-1 for PG. We've been unmoderated for probably over a year now, and it hasn't devolved into anything. Starting to enforce a PG filter now is an active change. Not a passive continuation.

Man, jerkface, I really appreciate you taking on this responsibility, but I'm really wary of a hard pivot to "no adult content"/PEGI 7. I'd even be slightly skeptical toward PEGI 12, but PEGI 7 is pretty restrictive and leaves out really good content that's non-offensive to social media platforms like Lemmy where ~~users are expected (not formally in LW's ToS, but nevertheless expected) to be at least 13.~~ (edit: I'm a dummy; I forgot LW's ToS were 18+. The 13+ assumption was sort of threadiverse-wide, but I totally whiffed the LW-specific part.)

I wouldn't gripe too much over PEGI 12 and allowing for the NSFW tag for exceptions (because that covers 13+), but PEGI 7 is saying "let's keep it appropriate for users who shouldn't even be browsing Lemmy unsupervised".

Anyway, your diligent moderation is better than beepsville, and I still really appreciate the hard work I know you're willing to put in.

This seems great!

I am concerned for the family friendly rule😅 Will nsfw comics be banned? will jokes that are sexual in nature be banned? There is this one comic that often just has casual nudity f.ex - would that be banned?

Thank you for taking on the responsibility, the little background info does inspire confidence. Very cool.

I kind of preferred the rules as they were. This is kind of a wall of text, hard to parse and will probably mostly go unread.

I think keeping the old and just adding the anti bot rule and attribution rule is fine. Just saying attribution must be kept on the image frame if possible is enough. I think bumping up the 2 limit per day max is alright but 5 might be a lot. Quality over quantity and all that.

I'm really against any kind of heavy handedness for raunchy comics, especially if it's about the joke and not the image itself. Having people tag the NSFW stuff (ie actual nudity, sexual content, dildos, etc) is fine imo.

For violence, I mean, we are all adults here and it's cartoon violence in any case. It just feels a bit puritanical to be hard on this kind of stuff. It doesn't really feel like a problem.

Sorry if this is overly critical. Thanks for the help!

Should i just unsub now before i get banned for using normal adult language?
Miss me with the fuckin family friendly shit.

That's exactly what this formerly unmoderated, yet tame community needs: ti be forced into being PG. 🙄