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so i know this one girl who’s pretty freaky, if you know what i mean, and got mad at me because i didn’t share her interest in gay porn manga, but i just could never get into it. i prefer romantic rather than sexual content, and as a lesbian, i prefer romance between two women.

some people say, especially men, say it’s not okay due to fetishization of gay men and straight women not knowing the queer or the male experience, but someone else said they should be able to enjoy what they want and to say that it’s not ok was “gatekeeping” interests.

my friend is also pretty immature, but it’s ok. like, she thinks women kissing is gross and it “doesn’t sit right with her” but is fine with men kissing, and says women don’t attract her and only has interests and crushes on men but then says she’s bi? maybe she prefers men, idk???

anyway, what’s wrong with it so i can learn better??

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[-] chobeat@lemmy.ml 15 points 8 hours ago

these days young people are pressured to signal socially that they are not fully straight to belong to certain groups. If she's actually bi or not, only time will tell. Don't try to expect coherence from somebody still building their personality, preferences and identity when they are bombarded by complex social needs. Yaoi might or might not be connected to her preferences at all: lot of women like it because they can witness romance or sex in which they have no role, shielding them from the possibility of projecting themselves into the dynamic. Like lesbian porn for men, it takes away the anxiety of the imagined performance or the need to compare themselves with the actor.

[-] anonclare@piefed.social 2 points 8 hours ago

ohh, thanks!

[-] Paragone@lemmy.world 2 points 5 hours ago

I read an article, a few years ago, about yaoi ( or however that's spelt ) and the artists being gay, but the hugest fans in Japan of it .. are women.

Funny..

If I'm allowed to appreciate 2 women being in-love with one another, & there being NO male-ignorance in their relationship ..

why on Earth ought it be a problem if women want to have that kind of porn, with no women in it?

Who cares?

Really, who cares?

ALL porn is oversimplification: the words-porn ( wromances ) that women immerse themselves in, the visuals that us guys prefer, ALL of it leaves-out real-other, providing only oversimplified prop-ups for fantasy.

Take a good objective awareness of how we judge others, & see that oversimplification's intrinsic, until it wears-off, no less than 1/2 YEAR after we begin getting to know them..

1st one only knows their appearance..

Then one adds-in perhaps the sound of their voice, posture, attitude, style-preference, etc..

There's a meme about "you don't know somebody until you've seem them in financial-crisis, and being a casualty .. etc.

That's true.

Does anybody know their "partner" when they've never encountered their partner's core-reactions, raw, yet?

Not really..

So oversimplification's normal & all porn is, is specialized oversimplifications.


All the idiocy misframing everything..

Humankind couldn't outgrow the 1950's ( North American version ) until humankind experienced it, and outgrew it from experience .. moving-on to the reaction against it, the Women's Liberation decade..

It's the same with porn, but at the individual-level: outgrow it, finding the completeness in real someones richer, & then the oversimplifications become shallower & shallower.. less & less sufficient.

Denial isn't going to produce the result: it has to be outgrowing.

Were the world more authentic, outgrowing would be more normal..

Because fakery's normal, then fakery's more the frame-of-reference.


But again, who cares?

Women have equal-validity: they can fantasize on whomever they want: we guys oughn't be sooo insecure as to be "threatened" by what women play inside their minds, when fantasizing..

How the hell would us being insecure about things benefit us, or prove us to be somehow more "valid"??

It's idiocy.

Let women fantasize on whomever they want ( gender wise )

( I draw the line at underage, hence the limit put above: gender wise..

& of course much hentai is cartoon child-porn ) :

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[-] anonclare@piefed.social 1 points 5 hours ago

makes sense, thank you so much

Looks more like a friend problem

[-] anonclare@piefed.social 1 points 8 hours ago

some people say shes homophobic, others say she just has personal preference

Are she actively stoping you to kiss your girlfriend or stoping you to try to hit on people ?

Have you made your coming out to this person? If so maybe she’s trying to tell you that she’s not interested but it’s a shitty way to do it.

Now for the gay porn, I presume that we’re talking soft porn here, look at the success of Heated Rivalery. People kind of love to watch heated passion and beautifully cut bodies. Now if it’s not your thing : good (I find that Heated Rivalery is mostly objectifying male bodies, there’s better gay love stories out there) but I guess people need their oomph sometimes.

Overall, I feel from what you’ve write, that she is not a good friend

[-] anonclare@piefed.social 2 points 7 hours ago

no, we don’t hang out much so she never sees me kissing my girlfriend, it just “doesn’t sit right” with her.

she knows, i have a girlfriend and she has had multiple crushes (all guys) and i’ve told her i’m sapphic

idk what it is, it’s like censored dicks but sex scenes in manga. my partner (im poly) likes heated rivalry, idk much about it, i’ve only heard of straight women and them liking it.

[-] TribblesBestFriend@startrek.website 3 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago)

Look like hentai to me

Not a specialist but there’s a weird culture in Japan with manga about boys that love boys (shonen ? (I think shonen are manga about a boys that save the world, like Naruto. Edit: Found it : BL shonen but I was specifically thinking Yaoi) Someone better than could give you the specific name). IIRC they’re specifically developed for women and could have really compelling story line. So maybe this could not be about gays but a clear preference for this type of medium.

[-] anonclare@piefed.social 1 points 7 hours ago

oh yeah, hentai! she did say something about preffering the storyline.

in fact, she gave 3 reasons

  1. storyline is better with mlm than with wlw

  2. women just don’t attract her, as she puts it

  3. women kissing doesn’t sit right with her, nor does it if they have sex

Hentai are not the deprave thing we think they are (in the west).

Had a friend that stay in Japan for nearly a year explain to me that hentai books, when finished, are abandoned in public space (like other manga) for other people to read

I have girl friends that are in accord with her first argument. Yaoi seems to be better written

[-] anonclare@piefed.social 1 points 7 hours ago

Hmmm, interesting!!

[-] solrize@lemmy.ml 1 points 5 hours ago

In fanfiction it's a big thing, called "slash" (look it up). I don't claim to understand the phenomenon. But the current trend seems to be slash between hockey players, and there's a TV show about that now.

[-] rosco385@lemmy.wtf 1 points 6 hours ago

I don't think there's anything wrong with it. My wife is into homoerotic stories, but she's Chinese so the sexual side of the relationship is only ever alluded to, not shown openly.

The genre is called yaoi in Japan.

[-] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 7 hours ago

POV: I am a bi guy.

I don't give a shit that romantic or sexual... essentially hentai / eroge exists, of gay men.

Yeah, it probably often veers into being cringey, or astoundingly strange, and perhaps even veers into outright manipulative or toxic or even pretty fucked up...

But... thats kinda just how smut works.

And it obviously exists for other sexes and genders, and where you have roughly comparable amounts of cringe to genuienly fucked up.

Is erotica, in general, often fetishing its subjects?

Yep! A whole lot of it is basically fantasy/wish fulfilment, its rather rare to find erotic content that actually has... complex and compelling characters, a well orchestrated plot, is truly respectful of the subject matter, and doesn't lean heavily into tropes.

But its smut. The genre generally exists to get hot and bothered to, to be aroused by. It exists to make you horny, that's usually the point.

Maybe just make sure that you're actually aware that fiction != reality.

Don't take what the story presents as resonable things as automatically actually being reasonable things. Tons of erotic content exagerates things to ridiculous extremes. If you get a particular, specific notion about something from reading or watching some erotica... try to ground it in actual reality, study up on it (there's actually quite a lot of academic/professional discourse on these sorts of things), or, as you are doing here... ask others for their thoughts.

So, on that level, who cares?


But on another level... it is weird and controlling and immature to be angry at someone for not sharing the same preference that you do.

Its probably fine for this friend to like 'weird' stuff.

Its not fine for them to be angry with you for not liking it yourself.

Your friend is just confused about her own sexuality and is saying things that do not make sense.

If she is a woman... and only likes the idea of guys kissing other guys, but not women kissing other women... well she isn't bisexual then, because she doesn't like women kissing other women.

Or, maybe she is bisexual, and she is ashamed of this for some reason, and is just very loudly projecting this insecurity onto others.

It would be completely fine, either way, if she is attracted to only men, only women, or both, etc.

But ... she is saying and doing contradictory things that indicate basicslly she is unsure and insecure about her sexuality.

If she is like a teenager, that's honestly pretty normal.

But it also... is something that a person hopefully grows out of. She needs to figure her shit out, basically, and if she is going around being rude and demanding or aggressive to others... that's just not ok because it is her being rude snd aggressive snd demanding to others.


tldr: there's nothing really wrong that you are doing here, at least given the context you've given so far.

there is something wrong with friend being contradictory and aggressive about her preferences.

it is possible that she is in a kind of 'dual life' situation, where her living situation at home is generally more repressive and demands more conformity than she is comfortable with, so, when she isn't at home, she basically poorly counterbalances that with being overly assertive in other social contexts.

but that is just one possibility... there could be a whole range of other possible scenarios going on, but I would think that some kind of situation is occuring that is causing her to have trouble with or doubts about her own identity/sexuality.

[-] anonclare@piefed.social 2 points 7 hours ago

thanks so much! this girl also used to bully me for being autistic and she still talks about hating “weird” people who are autistic but IDK if she still bullies them and she doesn’t bully me

[-] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago)

Oof, that's not fun.

I'm autistic too, though... I didn't even figure that out until around the time I got to be about 30 years old... because basically nobody knew what the hell autism even was/is, back in the 90s/00s.

Yeah I mean my general advice would be that she, your friend, probably is going through some of her own struggles, of at least some type, at the moment, so... have sympathy and empathy for that.

But at the same time, don't just be totally ok with her being rude or obnoxious, don't be a doormat.

Don't go out of your way to provoke or antagonize her either.

I dunno, its kind of a tough call, how to approach a person like that, who is... kind of unstable.

Hopefully I'm not reading into this situation more than what is actually happening, I don't actually know you or this other person, I'm sure there is a novel worth of context I am missing... but yeah, she seems to be going through some inner turmoil of some kind.

[-] anonclare@piefed.social 2 points 7 hours ago

she refuses to change, says it’s the “way she is” and nothing was ever her fault when she bullied me because i sucked at everything and deserved bullying. anyway, she probably does have some sort of struggle, idk.

[-] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago)

Yeah... that does sound more like she has some kind of a difficult/hostile home situation.

Bullies tend to learn to be bullies from somewhere, and sadly, that is often their parents.

Being a bully is basically ... a reflexive response to yourself being bullied, abused, neglected, something like that.

People don't tend to learn how to put on a mask of being forceful and overconfident, just by default, basically all the time... that usually happens because of external things forcing that onto them, as a survival mechanism.

But also... I hope you don't just put up with her bullshit all the time.

Like I'm not saying to pick a fight with her, but to... have and establish boundaries, tell her when she is crossing them.

If you can give her a bit of pushback when she is being shitty, and she actually values you as friend, she may actually learn to control herself a bit better, if she wants to keep you as a friend.

[-] anonclare@piefed.social 2 points 7 hours ago

yeah, i understand. i’ve tried tho and she tends to scream in my face and starts fights but now she doesn't

[-] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 6 hours ago

Well, you've got more patience than I do, or at least than I do now, now that I've hit my 'unc' years.

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