Uh, if you kill yourself early the healthcare system won't be able to extract every last dime of your wealth before you die. What, you think your family deserves to inherit it?
Religion, chiefly.
This is changing. In slow, small ways but it is changing. Where i live voluntary assisted dying has been enshrined in law since 2017
In some countries it is.
Including the U.S.
The answer OP is looking for is: if you make it easy to kill people in pain you make it easier to kill people who aren't. This is true for any animal including dogs our law just cares about their lives less.
Another answer OP is looking for and probably doesn't want to hear: most people value human life more than non-human life.
Bad example. In the US it's super cool to deny care for dollars. Illness and death are built into the system from for profit hospitals to health insurance and pharma pricing.
Edit: Downvote all you like, but Luigi isn't a folk hero without reason.
Hospitals want to drain your estate of every dime while insurance companies want you to die as soon and as cheaply as possible. It's a beautiful balance.
Killing people is not the same as letting them die of natural causes.
Capitalist exploitation is a natural cause? That's a wild take.
Next time, try it without the "Appeal to Nature" / Naturalistic Fallacy.
And for everything that is not solvable in an ER visit, go and die somewhere out of sight.
Countries that have assisted dying do not make it "easy". Especially when someone isn't physically ill, they throw every type of therapy and help at them to persuade them not to kill themselves.
You cannot put a person down for being sick. Even in countries where euthanasia is allowed, the person has to ask for it, under formal circumstances following formal rules.
God this is a weird thread.
How come human laws don't apply to animals?
Sorry to break it to you kids but billions of people all over the world literally eat animals every day.
Barbaric ? Perhaps, but it's fair to assume that 100% of your ancestors in the last 100,000 years have delighted in this activity as often as possible.
You may not wish to acknowledge this but the reality is: your beloved dog or cat is a lesser being, assigned very few rights.
Obviously if you have a pet dog then you treat that dog differently as you would a chicken living in a cage in a shed with 10,000 other chickens in cages but that dog's right to life is merely an extension of your rights as that dog's owner.
It's actually way worse, because you can have a dog put down that is perfectly healthy, even when other people want to adopt the dog.
If you have a dog you literally own it, and the only regulation that protects the dog are rules against animal cruelty.
You cannot own a human being.
You cannot own a human being.
Anymore. Humans can be amazing and very cruel.
But yes, ask a veterinarian and they will tell you sadly why.
Unless this was a case of USA defaultism, slavery still exists. In fact there's more slaves today than ever before. 50 million slaves last I checked. Mostly because overall human population has obviously increased drastically too but I digress.
Also USA constitution exempts prisoners so still okay in a limited capacity.
Privatized prisons are slavery too, you're right.
State-run prisons where labor can be required would also qualify as slavery by any definition.
Anymore
Exactly, and when you could, it was also allowed to beat them to death, as long as they didn't die immediately, but it took a day or two. Those are the rules of the bible.
Because of religious moralistic bullshit.
Good lord it is way past time to allow people to Euthanize themselves.
Good lord it is way past time to allow people to Euthanize themselves.
Mostly agree. I can also see the other side where there could be concerns about people being pressured into it for a number of reasons, so there should be some safeguards in place to prevent that (if there aren't already). I don't know enough about it to really suggest anything though.
Absolutely! There needs to be a clearly delineated procedure and safeguards in place. It is certainly something that should be done under the supervision of a medical provider.
My stepfather made use of Oregon's Death With Dignity law. Him scheduling his death a week out was... weird, but I'm always glad it was an option.
Though at one point a doc did legally have to inform him that instead of the painless and easy medical assisted death he could instead choose to stop eating or drinking.
Humans should be allowed to be put out of their misery as well
Some countries allow it. The major difference is that other people cannot choose for you. Your family can't "put you down" but you can choose to have a doctor assist.
And shouldn’t need to be terminally ill or old.
If I wanna peace out (humanely) at any age past adulthood, I should be able to.
I agree in theory, but often the desire to end one's life is often symptom of a treatable disease, or short term situation. Less than 10 percent of people who survive a suicide attempt, latter try again and succeed. There would need to be a lot of safety net in place, just like there is for the terminal.
Honestly I think it could save people. Knowing there is a way out, so to speak, could prevent people from attempts on their own. Not to mention it would prevent traumatizing whoever finds a successful suicide. Needing proof that other treatments are inactive would get even more the help they need.
I do wonder about that. My ex’s uncle decided that financial and legal issues were insurmountable so he could no longer be here. Obviously I have no idea whether a humane option would have been an option, but his issues were clearly temporary so any opportunity to intervene could have saved a lot of collateral damage. Including, while his family appreciated that they didn’t have to discover him, that cop shouldn’t have either
I can see where you’re potentially coming from.
But I don’t think you comprehend how violent an act of suicide is in almost all cases.
It takes an insane level of commitment to go through with that the first time, more so for the subsequent attempts.
Also of the people who really aim to end it, succeed on the first try.
I don’t know about you, but if given the choice, I probably wouldn’t be here. There’s nothing particularly wrong with me physically, I just don’t want to be here.
Been the case over a decade ago. Pretty much back as long as I can remember. Still the case today.
I do agree with the point that a humane way out will probably have a net positive impact in almost all cases. Especially if it comes with “here’s a list of things you should consider doing to lessen the impact on your family and significant other” or something of the sort. Needless to say, but should be entirely optional.
I don’t think I agree with the “other treatments” mentality though. That just sounds like what the Americans are doing with their abortion clinics trying to emotionally blackmail people into not aborting their child by forcing you to listen to heartbeats and look at ultrasounds.
Society does not value animal lives as much as human lives. You're free to draw your personal line elsewhere.
Because humans apply higher standards to themselves then they do to other animals.
This is apparently an insane hot take, but personally, I don't think it's okay.
It's okay to treat your dog as family and to reject the concept of "it's okay to kill him if he's in enough pain!", same as they would never even think of suggesting doing that to a human.
-- Frost
My cat suddenly became paralysed last year. What should I have done?
One other point that I think no one has mentioned yet is the importance of informed consent when treating people with otherwise fatal conditions. Surgery and other treatments e.g. chemotherapy for cancer incur a lot of pain and suffering in those going through it as well. A person can understand that all that suffering is for the greater good of extending their life, but for a pet that is far from the case, and they may in fact need to suffer more than if they weren't treated.
I love my dog with my whole heart, but I would never put her through chemo if she had cancer.
This is a tough question. I've had to put down a dog and a cat. They were both basically messed up beyond any kind of reasonable care. Like we could have spent tens of thousands of dollars to keep them alive, but they would have been suffering. I haven't had a dog since that dog, and was almost brought to tears when I saw a dog like him last weekend, but it was cool because the owner let me pet it and it was super friendly.
Cats I honestly don't care as much about, I guess because cats don't really bond with people like dogs do. I see cats as more of a utility. You get a cat and it kills things. They're also way cooler, IMO. But cats like to get hit by cars, they're dumb as hell, you get another cat, it's fine. I guess dogs do too, they chase cars, they don't know any better. My dog was an inside dog (small breed). You can't do that with cats (or big dogs).
As for people... there are ways. I mean, once you're of legal age and if you aren't impaired, you can get a DNR (do not resuscitate) order. There are bracelets. Some people get it tattooed on them. If you're DNR and you go to the hospital, they can treat you with your consent, but if you cannot consent, they are not allowed to treat you. If they do, it's legally considered assault. So they won't do it. They will make you comfortable, but they will let you die. They won't do anything to quicken your death, either — except in some places where they will.
I believe anyone should be able to choose to have their life medically terminated, if they are suffering and of sound mind and body. I have no religious opposition to it. If someone I loved made that choice, I would be sad, but I would not tell them they can't. That's not for me to say.
I guess because cats don't really bond with people like dogs do.
I used to believe this, too, until I bonded with a cat. It's definitely a different relationship than with a dog but just as valid, in my experience. Their personalities are different from dogs and vary much more from cat to cat than dog personalities do.
I have one cat that is dumb as hell and another that is sometimes dumb, but surprisingly socially intelligent and really changed the way I understand cats.
I think it is easy to come to the conclusion that cats are not as social as dogs, because the way they communicate is very subtle and a bit counterintuitive to humans.
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