I’m going to bullet my thoughts on this whole thing because I’m annoyed by the general response, and the implementation as well:

• I don’t wish harm on the dev and I don’t dislike them. I don’t even know them
• Death threats are ridiculous; that’s the working class attacking itself again
• That said, I want to know what compelled this dev to preemptively implement this field not in 1 but in 2 separate PRs
• Both the field and the law itself do not serve the user at all; it’s a bullshit vague law that is using children as cover—again (I’m old enough to know how this game works)
• I’ve always viewed Linux as the rebel among all of the corporate slop we have to constantly dodge, so it is super gross when I see changes in Linux that were made to appease laws built and pushed by fascist tech companies and governments
• Did the dev even open a line of discussion anywhere, or was the PR supposed to be used for that?
• What’s his motivation? Money? Fame? I’ve been a programmer for 20 years and I’d never jump on a chance to add something that aligns with laws I think are unethical dog shit—especially in the Linux space where the whole goal is to not be Windows
• I’m a bit frustrated with the casual “what’s the big deal?” mindset that a lot of people I’ve encountered have about this. Are we not living through the same timeline where the US has fallen under the control of a fascist regime that is being eagerly assisted by Meta, Apple, Microsoft and a ton of other massive corporations? How do people not see that this is the beginning of the wedge? And let’s say it peters out and nothing else happens. I’m not going to be ashamed of the fact that I was a squeaky wheel over it because I’ve seen how these things go. You follow the money and suddenly the bigger picture comes into focus. Why on earth a meager single little dev would implement this, unprompted, is just beyond my reasoning.

This reminds me of when Guillermo Rauch from Vercel praised Trump multiple times. Bro, you’re not Tim Cook. You’re not Ellison, Zuck, or Musk. You’re not even on their level. You’re not going to get on their radar. I have PTSD from fellow tech folks being weirdly aligned with fascism and this whole dumb thing is giving me that vibe again. I don’t think this is that 1:1, but this is like the metal scene. You have to dodge the fascists that seem to weirdly permeate corners of the culture. People that refuse and get annoyed by right-wing labels, but still help right-wing grifters, are their own unique brand of pathetic.

I don't think enough people realize that this is catastrophically bad. It'll discourage people from becoming open source developers, it'll discourage people from using Linux, and it'll discourage legislators from taking the Linux community seriously.

Sure, but personally, I don't want a linux community that's driven by corporate needs and governments that have been paid off by them. I don't view it as a catastrophe, if that's the version of "the linux community" that we lose.

None of that is to say that harassing devs is correct. It's not, and never is. Harassing anyone with death threats and dogpiling is not on. But if we take that out of the picture, negative pushback that drives away devs that would otherwise have helped implement universal age gating isn't something I'm terribly upset over, because I don't want the version of community they're taking us towards

On a completely unrelated, off-topic note. Here is the same person talking about Google's new "advanced workflow" for "sideloading apps" on Android.

The title of his blog post is "Google's New Android Sideloading Flow Is a Fair Trade"...Figures.

Yeah I'm not going to give this guy his desired victim role. He put a lot of effort into make privacy invading pull requests. Death threats and doxxing is too far but he deserves some insults.

Unfortunately appeasement upwards has been taken advantage of over and over.

It’s logical to take a stance of ok what can we do to head off the bigger problem. But the truth is, over authoritative governments and tech businesses will overstep that rational offering. So appeasement needs to stop, and recognising this as the line is already occurring.

I am not gonna wish harm on the guy, but I really don't have a lot of sympathy for a techbro simp.

actions done collectively by SystemD

Nope. It only needs one maintainer to do the PR

It'll discourage people from becoming open source developers

You know what will discourage Them more? Id verification

relatively inconsequential law

Give me your Id. Seriously, go and give me your ID with nothing blurred.

He didn’t comply, he collaborated. It won’t deter anyone but pro fascist programmers from developing for Linux. Your defence of the indefensible says a lot about you, too.

Don't collaborate with fascists.

first off, please announce that the video is from that brody clown so people can not click on that slop; needless to say, I ain't watched it so I don't know or care what points was made in it.

second, what OP is doing in OP and his bonehead comments is purposefully pushing a strawman argument, false dichotomy, red herring, and all the other logical fallacies in order to posture as a hero or whatever they got going on between their ears - if you're anti this bullshit "law" then you are also pro physically harming poor FOSS "contributors".

this fucking "contribution" shoulda been shot down like any other troll/bullshit plaguing every other FOSS project beset with ai bots and carma-farming typo-fixers and the like, and if by some mistake their "contribution" was accepted, here's a chance to reverse it.

cali ain't the world, which by and large ain't got no such idiocy on the books. and if it did, I wouldn't bootlick my way to submitting a patch to incorporate it; I would, in fact, oppose it any way I could.

that clown of a "contributor" has a history of simping for the backwardest ideas, antithetical to FOSS and I don't care one bit what he has to say on any one topic.

We're demanding that the government we pay for respect basic human needs. Privacy is not a luxury. It's a need. They went to far with this shit so they can take the next mile. Fuck them all and fuck California's lawmakers for doing it. We should be sending them letters of discontent too.

Lawmakers and politicians in the US ruin everything more and more everyday.

Relatively inconsequential law? Relative to what?

Counterpoint: fuck this guy for complying with the technofascists in advance like the bootlicker he is.

complying with a relatively inconsequential law

This downplays the impact to privacy these laws can have but sure, personal harassment is bad.

When you discover the reason for his bootlicking you will be ashamed of your words and deeds.

Enabling fascists hardly makes him a victim

So they added a date of birth field. Not technically doing anything wrong but a concerning direction morally. If it wasn't for the fash / authoritarian bullshit in the world that field wouldn't be a problem.

However, the question is how should the Linux community respond. Rather than grabbing pitch forks we should do what the Linux community does best. Support the alternatives, be it a fork or a replacement stack.

I'm watching for what lands and becomes popular. It seems inevitable that Devs in countries that aren't forcing ID checks will build what we need. I hope to see either a fork of systemd free from redhat influence (always suspicious of large corps), or a true set of alternatives that can realistically replace the systemd stack.

The community will drive the change. Put down your pitch forks, pick up your keyboard yourself, or just support the good Devs instead.

I expect someone will just make a systemd patcher package that removes the field and provides clean error handling for anything that tries to use it.

i think subset of people online who are vocally upset about his code contributions (and harassing him, committing fraud, and so on) are ignorant to the actual charges in the PRs and only read the headline and assume he’s shoving ID verification down our throats. I primarily blame media outlets and social media accounts trying to capitalize on this outrage over nothing.

I think the discussion we should be having instead is engineering ethics.

I think Dylan's letter clearly showed he isn't really involved in "FOSS radical" circles and has the usual engineering mindset (that was described in the Sam Bent blogpost). Not that I personally blame him, engineering schools raise students for this, and the corporate structure further enforces it with the strict hierarchies where you do whatever management orders you to do. What's important is that there are many devs who clearly aren't tied into the ethics discussion part of engineering. There's even research on engineers' attitudes afaik, and its conclusion was that freshly graduated engineers' first response was to implement changes without thinking about the ethics part, and after further prompting and discussion, they could be convinced that this change was bad and they need to push back.

I'll leave a two links here so when people iwsh to read, they know where to find good stuff.

• Constructive Technology Criticism Annotated Syllabus - I know Medium sucks but the scribe.rip copy I saved suffers link rot
• Awesome critical tech reading list - you can just git clone it and read it without browser

I don't think enough developers realize that the majority of users does not want this. They're acting exactly like the legislators: "we don't give a shit about what the people think".

The legislators won't take the Linux community seriously, because the developers aren't taking the community seriously either.

I never thought the PR was a big deal to begin with. That's sad to hear that he's receiving death threats. Can whoever's doing that chill the fuck out?

100% agree.

P. S. Keep the downvotes coming. You only prove the point of the post with your toxicity.

Threatening anyone with harm because you disagree with them is horrible. Things have gone too far on the internet. If we just ran after everyone who we disagree with then we wouldn’t have civilization left.

Nah this guy sucks. Obviously death threats are over the line but making his life uncomfortable is the least the Judas Iscariot of Linux deserves. We don’t need devs like this anyways, I hope he steps away from the project forever.

I'm glad to hear he's getting his shit fucked, maybe he'll roll back the commit.

EDIT : This fucker is lucky with the amount of hate he's getting, there's plenty of people who hate his guts over what he did, and didn't personally reach out to yell some sense into him