Rubio slashes the percentage of fit in his shoes by 40%
There's a fee for that??? How about a double 🖕🖕as your fee, how's that? If I renounce citizenship, it's because I am fucking tired of it all and see the country as completely unredeemable-- aka hate. I ain't paying you shit.
And your name is published on a public list of people that have given up their citizenship.
You're also freed from taxation but citizenship, which only the American citizenship comes with. If you're leaving the country and going to another where you attained citizenship and don't want your foreign income taxed by the US (beyond exclusions) and be arrested for tax evasion when you visit, then that's something you may look at.
Don’t disagree, ironic the US started largely as a protest about taxation without representation and now the US has become one of only two countries to tax their overseas citizens.
Not to mention the situations with Puerto Rico, Washington D.C and other territories (like Guam and the US Virgin Islands) who are also taxed but do not have representation.
taxation but citizenship
Did you mean "by"?
Good. The value of being an American is in a death spiral.
There's a strong political bias on who would renounce their citizenship and they don't want those people voting.
Don’t threaten me with a good time.
I recently learned you can still get your social security benefits even when you’re not a citizen.
Can we perhaps trade citizenship with a Canadian Trump supporter?
too bad only RICH canadian ones would do that.
There’s some rabidly pro Trump Canadian’s out there
For any dual citizenship person, or someone who happens to have been born there, and living outside the US, that sounds like a great deal. And no longer having to deal with US tax every year. It's the only country who taxes you as a citizen living outside the country - for a country founded on their abhorrence to "taxation without representation", they sure do a lot of it.
Come on, someone has to make up for the taxes the corporations aren't paying
Income taxes were unheard of in the revolution too. The feds weren't in everyone's business, by design. Just tariffs and duties and such for money. In the civil war they started income taxes, then cancelled them after the war. The restarted them in wwi, and kept them since.
Income taxes were supposed to be temporary when they were implemented.
There's no limit to temporary. I'm sure they'll drop it soon!
According to leading astronomers, the sun is temporary too
Projection. The most represented class is the most undertaxed - the wealthy and the corpos
Eh, it's not the only country. There's one other.
Eritrea.
It's almost like they have the perfect confluence of things to encourage brain drain:
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Put idiots like Bobby Brainworm in charge of health so they can do battle with proven science.
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Cut funding of science way, way down. I mean really, letting a complete poseur idiot like fElon decide things like that? WTAF.
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Unleash regressive dumbasses to do their worst xenophobic bullshit.
Seriously, someone needs to demonstrate how everything Donvict's crime wave is doing to this country is not a wishlist of the likes of Russia.
- slash education all across the board which benefits both parties at least the old guard "dinos", plus increasing propaganda of anti-intellectualism
Which is the equivalence of its cool to be stupid like the President. Which is sad and pathetic.
The fact that PEDOnald made it into office is a nearly-perfect example of Worthington's Law.
I cannot tell you how many times someone would say, as a way of giving up, "well, he has more money than you". Which is not really the flex they think it is, but that's how broken brains work. That's when they aren't saying his critics don't just have "TDS"
It's like they're daring me at this point.
I don't want to leave this country. I was born here, my dad was born here, my dad's dad was born here, etc. But, holy shit, this society is failing. It's not failed, yet, but it is failing. I want to believe that things can turn around, but it gets harder everyday to hold onto that belief.
It's especially hard because I feel like my proposals for how things could be fixed are actively, aggressively being fought against by many of my countrymen. Hell, we can't even agree on the problems, let alone solutions. For a lot of Americans, there is no problem! This is all hunky-dory.
A nation is a shared idea. A nation exists when a group of people all agree that they are a nation. I ain't in the same nation as these folks. They've got their idea of America and I've got mine, and they are two different things. I'm not a part of the shared idea anymore. It's moved away from me. It's become something that I don't understand or agree with. I don't think it's moral or rational, or sustainable.
Frankly, I think the idea of America as a nation, as it stands right now, is doomed to fail. It's far too tolerant of greed, ignorance and liars with malicious intent. A society like that won't last. It will collapse.
When was the last time a country actually collapsed? You’ve got Yugoslavia, Cambodia, Lebanon, Afghanistan, Yemen, Libya, Somalia, and the USSR. Forgoing the USSR, you don’t see many countries of this size doing the whole “collapse” thing, these days. I think it’s far more likely that worst case scenario tends toward reshaping American culture toward more toxicity, corruption, … other nations will slowly stop relying on the US for its economic reliability, stable bonds, … you’ll have less sway over international politics. Locally, your markets will lose the vigor provided when an economy yields fair chance to make gains. People who rise to power in your new nation will be those who pay or promise the most to a small handful of elitists. National response to disasters will become dull. People will be radicalized, but also less educated. Public violence will increase. All of this will happen while your foreign state enemies watch and fill the void you’ve left. You’ll never get that position back… just as Rome didn’t. Just as Spain didn’t. Just as the UK didn’t. You’ll be a nation that just fades to the sidelines. Still relevant in some ways, but definitely not anything like you used to be.
The USSR is definitely the nearest analog. That was, what, 35 years ago. That's very recent, in civilizational terms. A little over 100 years ago, in the early 20th century, several large, powerful empires collapsed. That's relatively recent, all things considered.
Maybe it doesn't seem to happen as much today because in the aftermath of all of those empires collapsing, new, more resilient nation states were formed, with more sustainable social, cultural and political systems. But the US is much older than all of them. The oldest democracy still going. Also by far the oldest federated, presidential republic. It's hard to really compare the resiliency of a country like ours to, say, a much more recently formed parliamentary democracy, especially when most of those nations are much smaller than us by population, and are usually significantly less geographically and ethically diverse.
It's frustrating living in a state that is pursuing good values, and then we vote federally and lose to morons. What can I do? Move to these shitholes? There's a lot of possible improvements to the system, but we need to cross a threshold to get over to get that done and IDK if we can. I have young kids and grapple with uprooting them. The next couple of years will be very telling.
{Awkwardly laughs in Minnesotan.}
NGL, I have thought far more frequently lately to move to Canada or see if Canada will adopt the whole state.
Sort of. If you are smart enough to leave, that's one less voter they have to deal with.
There's also a whole other slew of issues that affect Accidental Americans usually having to do with non-filed taxes, meaning the whole process also recoups from global earnings that have had zilch to do with the US through tax traps. Making it easier to apply for means they can get a few bucks more, and I suspect the people processing those requests are at the ICE level of quality. William Barr's daughter, Mary Barr Daly, ended up being placed as a senior adviser to FinCEN, which is closely involved in this process, and she has her own history of exercising her position in let's just say the traditional Republican manner.
To be fair, both parties have been at fault for the US' Eritrean system of citizenship, neither really cares, although I suspect with how many bridges they are burning they are seeing the writing on the wall and would rather get something from the people trying to leave "the right way" while their demands on the global banking system are still respected.
Nice. As an American living in Spain, this will be nice when the time comes. Now, if I could only speed up my citizenship here so I can file sooner.
If you were born in the USA, still live here, have no other citizenship and drop the $450 to renounce - what happens?
Stateless?
Part of the requirement for renouncing is (or at least should be) that you have established citizenship somewhere else. Otherwise you would be considered stateless, which causes all kinds of problems. Everything from being unable to access government benefits, to not being able to get an ID.
I say “should be” because the US is one of the few attending countries that refused to sign the Convention on the Reduction of Statelessness
refused to sign
As an aside, it is this annoying thing with American exceptionalism in regards to certain issues that makes it anathema to the concept of a United Nations, despite it being a founding member-nation.
I don't think you can, there are some conventions around this. https://www.unhcr.org/what-we-do/protect-human-rights/ending-statelessness/un-conventions-statelessness
So unless you have a second one the conventions prevent them.
Off subject a bit, but I just heard Rubio lied about his shoe size to the president that's been handing out free shoes everyone feels compelled to wear, and that he's been wearing those oversized shoes because he was too vain to be honest.
Fuck you Rubio.
What I read was that Trump has been guessing the shoe sizes and people don't want to correct him.
Looks like it really might have vanity for Rubio:
As Vice President J.D. Vance recalled at an event in December, the Journal reported, he was meeting with Trump, Rubio, and an unnamed third politician in the Oval Office when the president accused Vance and Rubio of having “shitty shoes.” Trump asked them all for their shoe size; Vance made sure to put in the record that he’s a size 13, while Rubio claimed to be an 11 and the third man a 7. The president then launched a sideways insult at the guy with the daintiest feet: “You know you can tell a lot about a man by his shoe size.”
That the “locker-room talk” president would place an inordinate, genital-related premium on a man’s foot size was surely no surprise to Rubio, who has risen in GOP influence in direct proportion to his willingness to contort himself to Trump’s exact desires. It does not seem out of the realm of possibility, then, that Rubio would inflate his own shoe specs to impress Trump with his masculine bulk.
Tempting, though I'd rather they do the work for me
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