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[-] MurrayL@lemmy.world 241 points 2 months ago

Anyway, I was suspecting that this "issue" might come up so I've removed the Claude co-authorship from the commits a few days ago. So good luck figuring out what's generated and what is not.

Great way to torpedo any trust people might’ve had in your project.

[-] Zulu@lemmy.world 85 points 2 months ago

Oh you don't like to know when we put shit in your food so you can scrutinize it? Fine we'll just not tell you.

Congratz now ALL of it contains shit.

[-] 4am@lemmy.zip 11 points 2 months ago
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[-] mrmaplebar@fedia.io 42 points 2 months ago

"Haha now you won't know what is or isn't slop!!"

"But then we'll just assume it's all slop..."

"...D'oh!!!"

[-] Monstrosity@lemmy.today 17 points 2 months ago

They are making the point that you won't be able to tell the difference. & It's a salient one.

[-] cloudskater@piefed.blahaj.zone 13 points 2 months ago

Even if that were true, which it isn't, there are plenty of other reasons to scrutinize any use of "generative" AI.

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[-] TheAlbatross 116 points 2 months ago

"You didn't like what I was doing? No fucking problem I'll just lie about it moving forward"

[-] Auster@thebrainbin.org 67 points 2 months ago

Having read the article, some points from the dev make sense, but also he acted like a princess by the end, so a bit of a messy situation.

[-] the_riviera_kid@lemmy.world 47 points 2 months ago

Uninstalled, bye bye ai slop.

[-] iamthetot@piefed.ca 39 points 2 months ago

I'll be uninstalling tonight.

[-] lvxferre@mander.xyz 34 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

What decides if something is slop or not is the thing itself. It is not your "KwaLiFiKaShunz". Bringing up "muh 30 years of XP lol lmao" means jack shit.

If he was co-authoring the code with Claude this means he submitted code made by Claude; he didn't just ask for some examples and implement in his own way. The later would be far more reasonable than the former.

What he said about the problem being capitalism instead of the tool itself is, I believe, valid. However, it should be no excuse to unnecessarily feed that very same economic system, by paying for the bloody tool.

Finally. He could've fixed what people complained about, by removing the commits, so he would keep them happy. He could also stick to his guns, and say "no, I'm not changing it. The Claude code stays". But he did neither; instead he's hiding it from the users. That's pretty much the same as saying "I'm going to treat users as gullible filth and easy to fool, instead of human beings deserving honesty."

A good thing open software can be forked.

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[-] Prove_your_argument@piefed.social 27 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I'm not gonna lie, Lutris is fucking terrible. Basic QOL things are missing. There's so many disjointed ways of doing so many things. The same 2-5 things need to be set every time you add an app and it's basically all manual because they have done nothing to make it better. There's thousands and switches and options, and the only way to find information about what they do is to hit the web... and then you find out so many of them are probably useless.

There's built in install scripts for things but trying to figure out any information about them within the program itself is also useless.

Then there's the shit that just doesn't work. Other tools like Heroic Games Launcher are the only way to install games from providers like epic. You can spend hours troubleshooting this in Lutris, and maybe even get an epic game to install and run once... but everything is going to be a broken mess on try 2.

Just a disappointing app all around once you really start working with it. It's a shame it seems to be the default mode wine app manager.

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[-] hperrin@lemmy.ca 26 points 2 months ago

I just removed Lutris and tried out Bottles last night. How have I never tried it before? It’s so good!

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[-] StealthLizardDrop@piefed.social 19 points 2 months ago

Oh poop, been using lutris and it was pretty good at what it was doing for me. What might be alternatives though?

[-] marlowe221@lemmy.world 32 points 2 months ago

Heroic is pretty good

[-] imsufferableninja@sh.itjust.works 18 points 2 months ago

Bottles, maybe?

[-] JoMiran@lemmy.ml 15 points 2 months ago

Heroic has been my go to for everything outside of my Steam library.

[-] MentalEdge@sopuli.xyz 12 points 2 months ago

Heroic. Bottles for the rest.

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[-] VerilyFemme 19 points 2 months ago

Never used that shit.

"Add non-Steam game"

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[-] aamram@lemmy.dbzer0.com 16 points 2 months ago

I actually dont see the fucking problem. Let them develop it way they want. People will tell if it's good or not.

[-] 4am@lemmy.zip 25 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

The problem is installing buggy clanker code on thousands of systems where the experience level is “I like games”

Ethics objections aside, dude said he’s not even reviewing some of the code the AI generates. At least leave the markers where it shows which code is what so proper scrutiny can be given.

Lutris dev is a straight up crybaby and needs to learn to a) read a room and b) not take risks with other people’s systems to stroke his own fucking ego.

Fucking bitchmade shit.

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[-] Monstrosity@lemmy.today 16 points 2 months ago

Lord Almighty the reactionary hate is so goddamn stupid.

[-] FrowingFostek@lemmy.world 23 points 2 months ago

Do you blame people for having a knee-jerk reaction to unwelcome AI integration? Or would you mind elaboring on what you view as reactionary.

[-] pixxelkick@lemmy.world 11 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Yes. Theyre being reactionary.

Are these people even paying a single penny to the developer or are they just acting entitled?

Have they contributed at all to the project? Its foss, maybe they dhould open up their own PRs and fix it if they care so much.

Theyre welcome to fork it anytime they want and just not merge in any AI commits, if they can spot them, right?

But I bet you no one will actually do this, people will mald and act entitled and stamp their feet... and then keep using it anyways and never pay a cent to the dev.

Fuck em. The dev doesnt owe them shit.

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[-] Monstrosity@lemmy.today 9 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Yeah I do. This is a small, volunteer, open source developer creating something for our benefit & has found a way to ease their workload but the purity brigade demands they type everything out by hand from scratch b/c they have big feels & are reflexively reactionary about AI. Seems shitty to me.

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[-] Skyline969@piefed.ca 15 points 2 months ago

Lutris has always been a pain in the ass to use. Nothing I set up worked properly. Manually setting things up via Proton has worked just fine for me, so nothing of value was lost with this fiasco.

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[-] pixxelkick@lemmy.world 14 points 2 months ago

If you really care, I feel like most folks would benefit from checking out

https://plasma-bigscreen.org/

Installing games on linux, even with wine, isnt that hard.

And adding a .desktop entry isnt hard either.

Plasma Bigscreen then nicely gives you a controller friendly UI to pick games from.

[-] TheObviousSolution@lemmy.ca 12 points 2 months ago

No reason to hide the Claude contributions if his reasoning isn't flawed. Honestly, my biggest beef is using AI as a subscription service, there are plenty of local LLM alternatives, and that just feeds the incentive for the web crawlers currently assaulting the Internet, for the companies also tucking in surveillance and training on your use of their AI.

Honestly, it can save you having to search through wordy API documentation, as long as you bother to make sure to make sure you end up knowing the hows and whys of what it is presenting you and whether it is good programming methodology. In a lot of ways it is no different and even faster than having to search for the answers through support forums and stack overflow. It might be built upon IP theft, but unfortunately in practical terms, you will be at a disadvantage against people that use it, so you might as well use it in a way that does not give them any way to profit off of it (Local LLMs). I'd argue that the case against these applications of generative AI is way different than those for image and video generation.

The biggest problem is when developers begin to depend on it too much without learning the nuance, but it would be a lie if there aren't a lot of developers who contribute to Open Source without really bothering to familiarize with it already and who are more interested in the end goal than best practices. Not sure if this will make the problem better or worse, but devs who use AI without bothering to learn will have a hell of a time providing proper maintenance for their code.

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[-] jaselle@lemmy.ca 12 points 2 months ago

Whether or not I use Claude is not going to change society, this requires changes at a deeper level, and we all know that nothing is going to improve with the current US administration.

I mean yeah, that's true. Why waste energy harassing developers of libre software for using AI? That's not going to have any impact on big tech.

[-] unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de 45 points 2 months ago

This is not about big tech, its about lutris apparently being maintained by an idiot with no regard for code quality, safety or community interests.

[-] the_riviera_kid@lemmy.world 34 points 2 months ago

The point of drawing a line is to make a clear distinction between acceptable and unacceptable. If you just move the line when it's convenient then it means nothing.

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[-] mrmaplebar@fedia.io 14 points 2 months ago

People simply do not want AI. They don't want to look at AI "art", don't want to listen to AI "music", don't want to read AI "books" and don't want to use AI slopware.

This is both a matter of quality and, more importantly, principles.

And I think it's safe to say that people in the open source community are more ideological than most. Finding out that a project is relying on exploitative corporate slop of an unknown origin is like the hippy going to the farmer's market only to find that the guy selling "his local organic free-range cage-free" eggs is just buying factory shit from the supermarket.

I didn't think anyone blames the Lutris guy for AI at large.

But people are passionate about things and they don't want to support a project that they perceive is being thoughtlessly programmed, exploiting the labor of others, violating the letter or the spirit of the GPL, supporting a corrupt industry, etc.

[-] cloudskater@piefed.blahaj.zone 11 points 2 months ago

Thank you. It's so infuriating to come into threads like this to find "If you don't like it, do it yourself" and shit like that. All it does is remove blame from the person making an ignorant decision, and place it on those rightfully upset because "Maybe the dev wouldn't have been forced to use the environment destroying plagiarism machine if you have been more generous with your time."

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[-] jaselle@lemmy.ca 12 points 2 months ago
[-] JayDee@lemmy.sdf.org 11 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Got it, so block any further updates till there's a backtrack or a fork.

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