People shouldn't attack FOSS devs for using AI. You might not like AI, you might not like the AI companies, but it's crazy to attack people providing free software for how they are creating that software. This is a bad path and will only lead to devs burning out, throwing the towel, and then we have less software around. Lutris is a nice piece of software, so good for the dev. And the AI haters should just fuck off.
Anyway, I was suspecting that this "issue" might come up so I've removed the Claude co-authorship from the commits a few days ago. So good luck figuring out what's generated and what is not.
Great way to torpedo any trust people might’ve had in your project.
It is kind of hilarious that this is actually the issue here. Sure, using AI for coding can be problematic. But then going back and removing any reference to it just to fuck with people even more. Damn.
Oh you don't like to know when we put shit in your food so you can scrutinize it? Fine we'll just not tell you.
Congratz now ALL of it contains shit.
"Haha now you won't know what is or isn't slop!!"
"But then we'll just assume it's all slop..."
"...D'oh!!!"
Update: The attributions are back.
Since it's such a big fuss, I'm putting the Claude attribution back.
https://github.com/lutris/lutris/discussions/6530#discussioncomment-16107836
Yeah, nah. Damage has been done already.
He should've stuck with his guns and said "the Claude code stays".
He did. You may have misunderstood.
He did. You may have misunderstood.
I mean he should have simply stated "the Claude code stays", instead of hiding which were the Claude commits.
I think you mean Claude cope.
They are making the point that you won't be able to tell the difference. & It's a salient one.
Update: not hiding it anymore. https://github.com/lutris/lutris/discussions/6530#discussioncomment-16107836
"You didn't like what I was doing? No fucking problem I'll just lie about it moving forward"
Having read the article, some points from the dev make sense, but also he acted like a princess by the end, so a bit of a messy situation.
Uninstalled, bye bye ai slop.
I'll be uninstalling tonight.
What decides if something is slop or not is the thing itself. It is not your "KwaLiFiKaShunz". Bringing up "muh 30 years of XP lol lmao" means jack shit.
If he was co-authoring the code with Claude this means he submitted code made by Claude; he didn't just ask for some examples and implement in his own way. The later would be far more reasonable than the former.
What he said about the problem being capitalism instead of the tool itself is, I believe, valid. However, it should be no excuse to unnecessarily feed that very same economic system, by paying for the bloody tool.
Finally. He could've fixed what people complained about, by removing the commits, so he would keep them happy. He could also stick to his guns, and say "no, I'm not changing it. The Claude code stays". But he did neither; instead he's hiding it from the users. That's pretty much the same as saying "I'm going to treat users as gullible filth and easy to fool, instead of human beings deserving honesty."
A good thing open software can be forked.
Got it, so block any further updates till there's a backtrack or a fork.
I'm not gonna lie, Lutris is fucking terrible. Basic QOL things are missing. There's so many disjointed ways of doing so many things. The same 2-5 things need to be set every time you add an app and it's basically all manual because they have done nothing to make it better. There's thousands and switches and options, and the only way to find information about what they do is to hit the web... and then you find out so many of them are probably useless.
There's built in install scripts for things but trying to figure out any information about them within the program itself is also useless.
Then there's the shit that just doesn't work. Other tools like Heroic Games Launcher are the only way to install games from providers like epic. You can spend hours troubleshooting this in Lutris, and maybe even get an epic game to install and run once... but everything is going to be a broken mess on try 2.
Just a disappointing app all around once you really start working with it. It's a shame it seems to be the default mode wine app manager.
I just removed Lutris and tried out Bottles last night. How have I never tried it before? It’s so good!
No reason to hide the Claude contributions if his reasoning isn't flawed. Honestly, my biggest beef is using AI as a subscription service, there are plenty of local LLM alternatives, and that just feeds the incentive for the web crawlers currently assaulting the Internet, for the companies also tucking in surveillance and training on your use of their AI.
Honestly, it can save you having to search through wordy API documentation, as long as you bother to make sure to make sure you end up knowing the hows and whys of what it is presenting you and whether it is good programming methodology. In a lot of ways it is no different and even faster than having to search for the answers through support forums and stack overflow. It might be built upon IP theft, but unfortunately in practical terms, you will be at a disadvantage against people that use it, so you might as well use it in a way that does not give them any way to profit off of it (Local LLMs). I'd argue that the case against these applications of generative AI is way different than those for image and video generation.
The biggest problem is when developers begin to depend on it too much without learning the nuance, but it would be a lie if there aren't a lot of developers who contribute to Open Source without really bothering to familiarize with it already and who are more interested in the end goal than best practices. Not sure if this will make the problem better or worse, but devs who use AI without bothering to learn will have a hell of a time providing proper maintenance for their code.
I actually dont see the fucking problem. Let them develop it way they want. People will tell if it's good or not.
The problem is installing buggy clanker code on thousands of systems where the experience level is “I like games”
Ethics objections aside, dude said he’s not even reviewing some of the code the AI generates. At least leave the markers where it shows which code is what so proper scrutiny can be given.
Lutris dev is a straight up crybaby and needs to learn to a) read a room and b) not take risks with other people’s systems to stroke his own fucking ego.
Fucking bitchmade shit.
Lutris has always been a pain in the ass to use. Nothing I set up worked properly. Manually setting things up via Proton has worked just fine for me, so nothing of value was lost with this fiasco.
Oh poop, been using lutris and it was pretty good at what it was doing for me. What might be alternatives though?
Lord Almighty the reactionary hate is so goddamn stupid.
Do you blame people for having a knee-jerk reaction to unwelcome AI integration? Or would you mind elaboring on what you view as reactionary.
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