I appreciate the question.
As someone else pointed out, dbt is quite helpful if someone never learned to cope and receives trauma/stumbles in life. This helped me a lot.
Additionally, it was my own curiosity and drivenness.
Watching and reading for countless hours and actively being aware of similarities to stereotypes helped me get a feel for situation.
Then learning about things I suspected I might be struggling with, then pointing therapists and psychiatrists in the direction until they either confirmed or denied it with evidence backing it up.
This led to a very tailored diagnosis and therapy which now helps me feel more in control than I‘ve ever been in my life (I never thought I lacked control until I found out how little I had).
Being allowed and accepted in my way of existing has changed practically everything. It even showed me that I‘m lucky to be alive since my condition, combined with mx childhood usually spells doom.
It’s still a ton to think about and a burden of sorts but it’s no comparison to the self doubt I had before without realizing.
TL;DR: I think the best therapy is enabled by a thorough diagnosis, fueled by an interested patient.
Disclaimer: Obviously I‘m talking about actual science allthough it can be frustrating. Fringe science and esoterics provide easy and comforting answers but it is not the way imo.
I hope this helps.
I was psychotic with delusions of grandeur for close to five years.
What saved me was a 9-month mindfulness based coaching course that taught me about presence, emotional self regulation, introspection, reflection and proper interpersonal communication. In the end they allowed me to see my delusions for what they were and that i had built my life on lies. These tools are now an integrated part of my personality and have helped me immensely in the years after, both in my personal relationships and in managing my mental illness (bipolar disorder type 1 and C-PTSD).
You should be able to learn the same techniques around emotional and reflective work if you look into certified MBSR (Mindfulness-Based Stress Reduction) courses. Preferably in-person and at least 8-12 weeks long. Please note that these are scientific techniques detatched from the glorification and the muck that gets thrown around a lot in "spiritual" circles.
Today I'm studying public mental health work and do some work on the side of advicing researchers in the mental illness field, working to make training in these techniques into an integrated part of mental illness treatment.
I fully believe that if everyone was taught these tools as part of public education we would wipe out most of our political and societal issues withing a generation or two.
Other than that I've adopted a "listen to what the science says" mindset and make decisions based on what's good for me such as getting regular exercise in ways that work and that i find fun and eating healthy within reasonable limits (the mind needs relaxation too, sometimes in the form of treats and indulgence). Getting an active dog has also helped me to secure a minimal level of activity for myself when things get tough.
Mindfulness is amazing. It helped me immensely with my anxiety and depression. Honestly, Mindfulness really needs to be part of every education curriculum.
Absoutely, but it needs to go way deeper than the surface level of meditation. Most people think that mindfulness is just a simple meditation technique, and that's problematic in it's own way.
Acceptance and Commitment Therapy (ACT, pronounced "act") not only helped me with generalized anxiety (which I no longer suffer from), but it also opened the door to fascinating research that I have been reading about ever since.
It is transdiagnostic because it exploits the fundamental building blocks and processes of cognition. In other words, it helps everyone who has mental health problems, as long as they are verbal (so nonverbal autistic people may require other therapy).
It is also 'superdiagnostic', because it improves peoples lives regardless of whether they are diagnosed with a mental health disorder.
Anyone who wants to have more flexible cognition and change their behavior, all with an empirically validated approach, could benefit from ACT.
Quitting my full time job has been the best thing I ever did for my mental health.
What changed in your life?
For example: I don't think most people can leave a full time job. But I can see people changing their life up to make part time work.
I moved into an off-grid RV. No more rent, power or trash bills. Then I realized my car was costing me more then it's usefulness at a time when the used car market was exploding. So I sold that and got a couple fold up electric scooters that fit into the RV's storage compartment. These changes have drastically reduced my expenses.
Feeding into existential dread, studying philosophy and trying magic mushrooms. YMMV
I'm very interested in magic mushrooms.
Not to go on a long-winded rant or show my ignorance, but many religions of peace used drugs and mushrooms seem to be the easiest.
Recommendations of books?
Psychedelics, by David Nutt. Probably the most recent and evidence-based on the topic.
I think it really helps if the therapist understands the subject matter surrounding my problems. Having significant vocabulary known in common is critical to understanding.
A patchwork of things has helped me acquire and maintain a more balanced life. I’d say the largest contributor was adopting ‘radical acceptance’ as a way of life. Basically, I’m constantly, consciously accepting whatever is happening to me. It doesn’t mean I don’t try to change things but it means that I’m not always resisting everything.
I've been finding out about boundaries for a little while now—both learning to suss out others' and my own—and I have to say, life is a hell of a lot easier to move through with acceptance if you are not forced to dispense with what you need to maintain your dignity and authenticity. I feel sad I allowed the world to work on me at that level and I will never allow it again.
Drugs. Not medication, illegal drugs. Ymmv. I am not endorsing anything and this is legal nor medical advice.
Education and anecdotes. I work a therapist for about 30 mins every two weeks and honestly, I find much of their suggestions kinda neutral. I often ask how they fit to that suggestion. That's where they recommend a book on the topic.
Reading their book recommendations is better for me, because their advice is now given in a format where I can read and review over and over. The books have anecdotes about other use cases. It has studies. It has research paper I can personally dig into.
Honestly, my therapist is less of a "let me explain" and more of a librarian who helps me find resources myself.
watching Tony Soprano go to therapy and thinking "i wish therapy was really like this"
Hi, Clinician here, just popping in to say that all theories of therapy basically say the same thing in different ways.
Don't worry too much about treatment modality. Build a relationship with your counselor and put in some effort into bettering yourself.
Positive outcomes are something like 30% external factors, 40% counseling relationship, 10% therapist efforts, and 20% client effort.
I will always be thankful for Dialectical Behavior Therapy by Marsha Linehan. I have never been diagnosed as borderline, but the lack of basic coping and interpersonal skills was obvious. It wasn't a cure, but it has given me a foundation on which I was able to move forward with deeper, therapeutic processes. Frankly, I think everyone should go thru all the modules at least once.
What basic practice informed by DBT could you suggest briefly? Like what is something I can do right now that is a nudge in the right direction?
CBT for actually getting out of a rut and sitting meditation (zazen) for staying out of it. There are many more things that help, like reducing alcohol and caffeine, regular exercise…. but meditation is what really changed the game for me.
I’d just recommend you start it with a qualified teacher. Or at least read up on it (I recommend https://www.mctb.org/ and “the mind illuminated”).
Solitude.
Many YEARS of Solitude & Isolation.
Getting away from the abuser/prejudice, and since it is normal-culture, itself, whose prejudice is my fundamental abuser, then getting away from everybody, for years, gave me the means to continue living.
That, combined with Frawley's ayurvedic appropriate-to-one's-metabolism ingredients food, which massively helped my health,
& William J. Walsh's "Nutrient Power" book, which really oughta be corrected, a bit...
I replicated both is undermethylated-DNA-disorder treatment and his pyrrol-disorder treatment, each 4 times, and at-least 2 different ways.
Undermethylated-DNA-disorder: enteric-coated SAM-e, 40mins before breakfast, with clear water ( or tea, but NO carbs/food ) worked in 3 months, and Methionine worked in 4 months. The only times in my life I've ever experienced ZERO stress, which was awesome. Takes-away my academic-drive, though, so I only would use Methionine now to "take the edge off", if the stress of undermethylation-distortion were gimping me or my life.
Pyrrol-disorder ( amygdala-hijack always pressuring, and ambushing/breaking one into PTSD-RAGE, with any "straw that broke the camel's back" ), was treated best with the mixture of Zinc Gluconate, Zinc Picolinate, Arachidonic-acid-precursor Evening Primrose Oil ( 2 big capsules / day ), and P5P form of one of the Vitamin B's. This gave me the ONLY experience I've ever had, in my life, of not-fighting-the-pressure-of-pending-amygdala-hijack-every-second, and it left me .. HAPPY. Never experienced anything like that, before... Why'd I quit it? I'm a Vajrayana, & meditation must be my primary-weapon of self-conquering, not pills, AND taking Zinc every 6 hours was a brutal regime, and it was razor's-edge chemical-balance to maintain. Walsh is right that people with pyrrol-disorder ( which wrongly eradicates zinc from our bodies, leaving too-little for normal management of copper, or for methylation-of-DNA for that matter ) require dangerous ( to others! ) levels of metals-intake to reach correct-balancing between copper & zinc. I was taking enough to probably kill any non-pyrrol-disorder person: 4x the Tolerable Upper Limit. It worked, though, exactly as Walsh indicated.
So:
Solitude, & systematically healing food, & the corrections for 2 epigenetic-disorders that Western Medicine won't allow are real ( because it'd GUT authority-based psychiatry if the evidence were admitted ), that demonstrated exactly what actually is wrong, and gave me leverage in owning my life, more completely.
EVIDENCE-based knowing.
.: Scientific Method is itself one of the therapies I broke the gaslighting of doctors ( and medical-professional parents ) with, and so must be considered a valid therapy, too.
Kaizen, aka relentless evolving, as one's personal Religion. ( my cosmology is Vajrayana, simply because Universe's-speech, aka Evidence, broke the worldviews I was brought-up in. Ramakrishna Vivekananda too contempted the prejudice masquerading as "science", that I call Scientism, which presumes materialism, and therefore presumes that Awareness/Knowing/Meaning/Will can't be real, but that is prejudice: all those are testable and objectively-real.
Some have even tested entanglement in the macro-scale by experiment:
- the experiment of having dog-owners set a video recorder in their home, with timestamping on, and they mark down when they decide to leave for home, at work, and the video records if the dog(s) light-up right then .. obviously, it doesn't matter how many such pairs don't demonstrate such entanglement: if even 1 pair is so good at demonstrating it, then that falsifies the dogma that "That Can't Happen" and "That Isn't Possible".
- the experiment of having women in some quiet context, and a wired camera that can see them is connected to a switcher, and one, or another, person is watching a monitor, and sometimes that monitor is showing the woman... can she identify when someone is watching her?? IF yes, THEN that, too, falsifies the materialist Scientism/prejudice "That Can't Happen" and "That Isn't Possible".
Since I've experienced enough evidence to know when authority-based-"science" is gaslighting me, and since even physicist Weinberg commented on the fact that 100 ORDERS OF MAGNITUDE contradiction between evidence & established-theory, re the measured Cosmological Constant, vs The Standard Model of Cosmology
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmological_constant_problem
Scientism is unfalsifiable, Science holds that ONE "Black Swan", that really exists, FALSIFIES "All Swans Are White", no matter how Scientism keeps conveniently-measuring only white swans, as a means of "proving" that only white swans exist...
Karl Popper would have called-out that NON-falsifiable dogma ISN'T AND NEVER WAS Science, as would have Carl Sagan...
Evidence convinced me of what I hold to be true, and I'm continuing on that path, until I die, in the hopes of breaking my Soul/CellOfGod/ChildOfGod/Atman from getting perpetually-recycled in Universe.
IF you prefer authority-based-medicine, and have the gall to ignore the evidence even called-out in one of John Brockman's books, probably "This Idea Must Die" ( that "evidence based medicine" which provably ISN'T evidence-based, it is authority-based ), then contempt me, categorically, as defective, in your religion.
Addiction-to-integrity & addiction-to-Universe's-actual-bizarre-unfolding/opening both are good addictions, to me.
You have your assumption-river/religion, fundamentalist-materialists have theirs, I have mine.
Eternity is going to continue reprpocessing/recycling ALL energies contained within Universe, and I want out, pronto.
Remain within, if that makes you feel great.
That is what evolution means, within a continuum/soul, obviously: your soul sows, through you, your soul reaps, through future "lives"/incarnations. How could it work properly if you just don't mean anything? MEAN what you mean: self-honesty, no matter how contempted by the currently-fashionable prejudice, is healing!
: )
Born autistic, lost 10% of my brain between about 10-16, then, in the last 14y or so ( I'm gaining on 60yo ), a thousand-ish concussions, trying to break my will-to-live with a cudgel, so I could murder my life, but eventually learned that will-to-live is stronger, in this brain, than I am, so I'm stuck living, and therefore am stuck living with the consequences of all-3 waves of brain-injury.
It takes years to grow-in new/replacement brain, but the meditations do speed the process.
( Western minds may find convincing in a book named "Super Genes" by geneticist Tanzi & co-author Chopra, and it cites the science backing its arguments for malleable/earnable healing )
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What the fuck did I just read? This was completely nonsensical. PLEASE no one take the advice of this insane rambler....
My motorbike fixes my issues whenever I go on it. And the thought of going for a ride can calm me down sometimes. But it's usually more powerful when I actually get out.
MBCT or Mindfulness-Based Cognitive Therapy. Basically, it's some of the core principles of Buddhism without any of the karma/rebirth woo-woo, practiced by a licensed psychotherapist, either individually or in a group. It was recommended to me for anxiety and depression and it has helped me stay grounded, recognizing and avoiding spiraling into hopelessness and resentment.
Psychoanalysis.
Talk therapy. And, at times, medication, though this is for a diagnosed condition. Therapy is the way to go. Aggressively ditch therapists who don't feel like a good fit and keep trying till you get one that feels right.
I'm not sure if aggressively ditching therapists is the way to go... you have to get to know them in order for anything to work. I mean, leave if it feels wrong, but you should be hesitant to leave.
Years ago, someone suggested a book called 'Discover What You're Best At.' by Linda Gail.
I had hated pretty much every job I'd ever had, then found one where I used my talents. Being able to get up on a rainy Monday and not be miserable was a life changer.
Taekwondo. Cooking. Creative projects. I've also done therapy on and off, 1-on-1 conversational therapy as well as Psychodrama in a group therapy setting. Therapy is nice but I wouldn't say it is the thing that helped the most.
Isolate yourself from your demons both mentally and physically. Say take 200 days, workout at least twice a day with no access to your vices and get 10hrs of sleep a day. Remake your foundation physically then remake yourself mentally. Essentially tear yourself down to core primal essence and rebuild how you want to be. Then surround yourself with good people and build the skills you always wanted. It’s extremely tough mentally but when done you won’t recognize yourself afterwards, you’ll be a rock and hardened.
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