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[-] Son_of_dad@lemmy.world 134 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

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[-] DmMacniel@feddit.de 47 points 11 months ago

It's hard but not impossible. When you go grocery shopping always look at the back of the product to see if it has the taint.

Problem is indeed the restaurant as you can't be sure if they didn't you nestle products.

[-] Kushan@lemmy.world 33 points 11 months ago

I can't help but notice you have disagreed with the comment above you, then gone on to explain that the exception to your disagreement is the exact scenario they described.

[-] DmMacniel@feddit.de 7 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Except no? Its not "literally impossible" to avoid nestle. You simply have to shop your groceries more mindful.

But okay, if its utterly impossible to look on the back of the package and or do a quick internet search to see if that label belongs to nestle, yeah its impossible.

[-] fmstrat@lemmy.nowsci.com 18 points 11 months ago

Joining in because why not. The comment OP never mentioned groceries. They mentioned how it's impossible to avoid Nestle when eating out/getting take out, which you agreed with.

[-] Obi@sopuli.xyz 3 points 11 months ago

The important thing is, they disagree, can't we just leave it at that and be angry in peace?

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[-] LinkOpensChest_wav@lemmy.one 5 points 11 months ago

This whole thread is weird. I think it's hilarious how people are arguing with you, saying it's impossible and then linking sites that list every brand owned by Nestlé. You'd think it would occur to them that if one is able to consult a list, that makes it possible to avoid Nestlé products, since one can merely consult the list.

I think there are some synapses not firing here 😅

[-] Ookami38@sh.itjust.works 3 points 11 months ago

We're not arguing that there are lists. We're arguing that it's not always displayed on packaging. Subsidiary companies of nestle may not display the logo or name anywhere, or do so in such small lettering that it's very hard to overlook. When the other commenter is saying all it takes is "a bit of discipline" no, that's simply not the case. It takes discipline AND either an external resource, or an encyclopedic knowledge of every company nestle owns. If you want to sling insults at people at least understand what they're saying.

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[-] DmMacniel@feddit.de 3 points 11 months ago

Well thats a bit harsh, don't you think :)

Also not only are there those lists, but we all have an internet enabled smartphone nearly always with us right? So check the label, see its hierarchy and decide then.

[-] LinkOpensChest_wav@lemmy.one 3 points 11 months ago

Yeah true, I was probably harsh. It's more like people taking a position and then protecting it at all costs, even when it unravels lol

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[-] stonedemoman@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

You'd think it would occur to them that if one is able to consult a list, that makes it possible to avoid Nestlé products

I think you're forgetting something. This entire chain started with an example to support the theory of it being impossible. The one about eating out where you don't know the ingredients being served to you or what brand they're from. You chose to ad hom without even addressing it. 🤷

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[-] Glifted@lemmy.world 18 points 11 months ago

It's not always that obvious. Nestle owns many companies and many of those products say nothing about Nestle on them.

[-] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 16 points 11 months ago

https://charlesstover.github.io/peoplecott/

That website helps with the products that aren't obviously marked Nestlé.

[-] DmMacniel@feddit.de 5 points 11 months ago

Thats a searchable list of all products/brands by Nestle? Thats quite helpful!

[-] DmMacniel@feddit.de 4 points 11 months ago

Sure they do own many companies. I just dont think its impossible, as I steer clear of anything nestle. Sometimes I grab something new and sounds interesting like the Vegan products by Gourmet Garden and just putting it quickly back as I saw nestles logo printed on the back.

It takes a bit of discipline.

[-] JokeDeity@lemm.ee 8 points 11 months ago

Lol, no, you don't understand. Companies (literally millions of them) own many other companies that they never put any logo on or anything. For an outside of Nestle example, check out this list of companies owned by Kroger that you will never find anything labeled by Kroger inside of:

https://www.kroger.com/i/kroger-family-of-companies

Also this list may be VERY incomplete because it's hosted by Kroger and they have no obligation to give the entire truth here.

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[-] JokeDeity@lemm.ee 7 points 11 months ago

"It takes a bit of discipline."

Also, you should work on your tone, speaking like you're holier than thou is already cringe, but when you're wrong it just makes you look like a big idiot.

[-] DmMacniel@feddit.de 6 points 11 months ago

Yes it does take a bit of discipline. And no, I dont think I'm holier than thou.

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[-] Glifted@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago

I think you're missing the point I was making. There's a lot of Nestlé products that don't have their logo anywhere on the packaging because it's instead made by a company Nestlé owns

[-] DmMacniel@feddit.de 3 points 11 months ago

can you give an example?

Because all those products https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Nestl%C3%A9_brands are made by "companies" that on first look are not "owned" by nestle even though I always saw their huge logo somewhere on its packaging.

[-] DakRalter@thelemmy.club 7 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Is it? I've not knowingly consumed anything from Nestlé in 20 years.

Edit: I have a bland palate and having a dairy allergy helps. I'm also incredibly stubborn!

[-] figaro@lemdro.id 12 points 11 months ago

That's awesome! I think it's important to note, however, that the burden of change here is not on the individual. The average person is not an activist, and shouldn't be expected to be. Nestle knows that, too.

Change on this scale can only happen through government regulation.

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[-] psud@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Eating zerocarb (aka carnivore) works, especially if you only drink tap water; Add coffee and you have to be a little careful

Also be careful on soaps and hair care

[-] Gormadt 28 points 11 months ago

Zero carb has its own host of issues, not just from the nutrition side of things, but also a host of ethical concerns

[-] psud@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Oh really? Funny I haven't seen any nutritional deficiencies in my year on that way of eating, and haven't died of scurvy even once. In fact I'm in the best health I ever have had since I was a youth
Ethics? Eating animals raised on grass (in places which don't support other agriculture) is worse than clear felling forests to support monoculture cereals?

My food supports the land it grows on, which hosts a myriad other species

[-] Black616Angel@feddit.de 32 points 11 months ago

Wow, you only eat meat from animals which you yourself raised, slaughtered and prepared?

Even if that were the case (which it isn't), not everyone can do that.
Do you know, why that is?

Because eating animals is wasteful as fuck.

Btw. What do you think you "animals raised on grass" (which they aren't) are fed with? Maybe soy from monocultures?

[-] tilcica@lemm.ee 8 points 11 months ago

no OP but that REALLY depends on where you live. rn i know about 4-5 farmers that raise cattle ONLY on free range pastures and dont subsidue their feed with anything else and can buy directly from them without any middle men

and i fucking hate the "so what if you can, others cant" argument in threads like these. OP was stating that they do this and its better for them. never did they say its better for everyone to do this

[-] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 8 points 11 months ago

Also, serious ethical questions even for “ethical” slaughter.

[-] psud@lemmy.world 7 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

I live in Australia near our mountain pastures. The meat supply is a mix of local grass fed and finished beef and lamb, and grain finished beef from up north

The grass finished meat has a healthier fat balance and tastes better

I always ask butchers where my meat was raised and how it was finished as that affects the ethics and flavour. I agree with you that meat raised on grain is wasteful.

Where's the waste in what I buy? They drink from mountain streams, they eat grass. Most of their meat goes to human food, most of the rest goes to pet food, the skin becomes leather

When I cook more meat than I can eat, the extra goes in the fridge and I eat it for the next meal

On the relevant subreddit (which hasn't moved to Lemmy) I have heard it's easy to get grass finished beef in the US too

[-] LinkOpensChest_wav@lemmy.one 7 points 11 months ago

I live in a ranching state (South Dakota) where beef is processed locally, and it's nearly impossible to get grass-fed meat. Sure, some of it is labeled "grass-fed" with a drastically higher price point (unsustainable for most people), but the whole industry is so corrupt and ethically bankrupt that it's a meaningless label, just like almost anything else you buy here.

[-] Isoprenoid@programming.dev 68 points 11 months ago

For those who want sources: https://www.fucknestle.art/#crimes

[-] pewnit@lemmings.world 35 points 11 months ago

Fuck Nestle but also kitkat tastes good

[-] funkycarrot@discuss.tchncs.de 22 points 11 months ago

All my homies buy the off-brand Kitkats that, despite the significantly lower price, use Fairtrade cocoa.

[-] vox@sopuli.xyz 5 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

well poland has WW (from e.wedel)
i rrspect them a lot more then nestle

[-] Zanshi@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago

Except E.Wedel is owned by Korean chaebol Lotte. Which is… I don’t even know honestly, I just know chaebols do a lot of fucked up shit. I guess my point is there is no ethical consumption under capitalism

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[-] Zerush@lemmy.ml 21 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Yes, boycott Nestle, but it isn't so easy, since almost all products in the Supermarkets belong to this company.

https://wyomingllcattorney.com/Blog/Everything-Owned-by-Nestle

[-] candle_lighter@lemmy.ml 8 points 11 months ago

Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems that as long as you don't buy processed foods in America you should be able to easily avoid Nestle?

[-] Zerush@lemmy.ml 4 points 11 months ago

Not only in America. Yes, you can avoid processed food, buying fresh food, but Nestle isn't only processed food, also water, almost all brands of coffee, sweets, cosmetics, animal food, etc.. If you live on a farm with a garden and chickens, with your own well and drink an herbal infusion instead of coffee, washing with your own soap. maybe you can avoid using Nestle products.

[-] NattyNatty2x4@beehaw.org 3 points 11 months ago

Around 3/4 of US adults are either overweight or obese; avoiding giving into the urge to eat processed foods is a problem all on its own

[-] aaronbieber@beehaw.org 8 points 11 months ago

I dunno, Nestle owns basically the who's-who of terrible processed food and snack brands. Avoiding them isn't just good activism, it's good for your health, too.

[-] DokPsy@infosec.pub 3 points 11 months ago

Assuming you don't live in a food desert.... Or have a baby that requires more milk than you can produce.... Or have a pet that requires a particular diet....

[-] jimmydoreisalefty@lemmus.org 18 points 11 months ago

Awesome!

Keep calling them out!

[-] millions@universeodon.com 17 points 11 months ago

@lelgenio I hate how many companies are owned by nestle

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