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The Finnish company Jolla is back with the Linux-powered Jolla Phone. It’s being positioned as an antidote to the US-dominated smartphone status quo of Android and iOS.

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[-] mill_city@lemmy.zip 7 points 1 day ago

Jolla crowdsourced a tablet in 2014, blew by their initial goal, then delayed and delayed and eventually canceled the project claiming they would try to offer refunds. They refunded half of the contributions of most of the backers and then pocketed the other half, over $1M. I don't know if their new phone is anti-big-tech or not, and I'm all for alternatives to Android and iOS, but this is not a company I can trust.

[-] budd@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 day ago

Buy a pixel phone(2nd hand) and install Graphene OS

[-] Alloi@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

hardware is compromised. OS cant change that.

[-] hodgepodgin@lemmy.zip 3 points 1 day ago
[-] Alloi@lemmy.world 1 points 52 minutes ago

first youll have to give me your cellphone number, date of birth, email account, access to all your pictures, videos, contacts, call history, text messages, app data, biometric data, location, search history, IP address, and tell me which one of these pictures has a car in it, so we can train our Artificial intelli........i mean....make sure you are human........and while your at it......give me them cookies, too.

[-] phx@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

Or soon, a Motorola

[-] MrSulu@lemmy.ml 31 points 2 days ago

Most here would love to have a fully FOSS phone. However, Jolla is still an excellent and simple proposition for the vast majority. We need to wholeheartedly support this and other significant movement away from US spyware/ ransomware/adware.

[-] toothbrush 5 points 1 day ago

My problem with it, is thats its even less open source than android is, even after all the enshittification. If they were serious with their anti big tech approach, they would open source it, then Sailfish OS would be a real alternative.

[-] Arcadeep@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

So, as an American (unfortunately) is there a way to get one of these?

[-] Asfalttikyntaja@sopuli.xyz 120 points 2 days ago

Fediverse is like “oh, I wish there would be some other option to phones apart from android and iOS!” When you show them there’s another option, all are going like “it’s fucking obsolete, it can’t even run android apps and it’s not cheap enough, I will use android and iOS because they are better! And reasonable priced.”

[-] kingofthezyx@lemmy.zip 63 points 2 days ago

They are mostly different people. One group of people comments on their desire for something open when something closed is mentioned, and another group comments on the downsides of something open when it's being discussed.

[-] Akasazh@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I have supported this project and intend to buy the phone.

[-] manualoverride@lemmy.world 17 points 2 days ago

There is a reason it’s a duopoly, making a competing phone eco system to rival two of the wealthiest companies in the world is not easy. Microsoft tried but even they didn’t have enough money. People need apps, because companies want us to use their apps and there are only two app stores, one is walled off so you basically have to run Android apps or convince every company to make an app for your OS. I’m not wealthy so I only buy a phone every 8-10 years… if I can’t ensure I can do my banking shopping and entertainment on my phone I can’t buy it, and every banking/shopping/entertainment site is designed to be terrible on a phone so they can get you to install their app.

[-] IratePirate@feddit.org 10 points 2 days ago

Microsoft tried but even they didn’t have enough money.

Money was not the issue. Timing and smarts were.

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[-] defaultusername@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

My problem with Sailfish is the UI is proprietary, which is a step back from Android. I also don't think this phone uses a mainline kernel, which limits long-term support to whenever their chosen LTS kernel goes EOL.

What I want is a phone that has a fully functional mainline Linux kernel, which currently does not exist. It'd be even better if the primary bootloader was replacable, similar to how coreboot can be installed on some laptops.

It is very nice to see a phone with a removable battery and a microSD card slot, though.

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[-] Shayeta@feddit.org 11 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Yeah, I don't use my phone for gaming or any other intensive applications. I use it mostly for communication, authenticators, and music. As long as it has a 3.5mm jack I dont care.

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[-] LilithElina@literature.cafe 7 points 1 day ago

So, is the Jolla phone with Sailfish OS better than a Fairphone with /e/OS?

[-] Heinous@feddit.online 28 points 2 days ago

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HzCMKbhK-EY

Pity about the pay-walled factory reset and the closed source software they use like drivers, homescreen UI, the compositor, some QML components and the Android compatibility layer

It wouldn't bother me so much if they weren't specifically positioning themselves as privacy and FOSS advocates

[-] Scrollone@feddit.it 12 points 2 days ago

What. What do you mean pay-walled factory reset?!

[-] hietsu@sopuli.xyz 12 points 2 days ago

In odd chance that you happened to forget your encryption password on old Jolla, the reset needed factory assistance, which cost some tens of dollars. So a nothingburger really, did not appear predatory, simply a bit lacking UX design.

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[-] dai@lemmy.world 12 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

I wasn't able to read the article, for those who are in the same boat it's copied below. Sorry no images.

Edit: Saw the archived link, mybad 😅

www.wired.com

The ‘European’ Jolla Phone Is an Anti-Big-Tech Smartphone

Julian Chokkattu

7 - 9 minutes

Jolla may not be a household name, but for more than a decade the Finnish company has positioned its Linux-based Sailfish OS as an alternative to the mobile software duopoly that is Google’s Android and Apple’s iOS.

Now, 13 years since it tried to cut through the market with the Jolla Phone—a device which remarkably received software updates through 2020—it's back with a successor of the same name.

This time, the company is positioning its handset as the “European phone.” This bit of marketing caters to the growing distrust in US digital services and platforms that has arisen since Big Tech sidled up to the second Trump administration.

The new Jolla Phone (pronounced “Yolla”) costs €649, mimics the Scandinavian design of the original, and has secured more than 10,000 preorders since its preview in December 2025. Those orders are expected to begin shipping at the end of June. At Mobile World Congress 2026 in Barcelona this week, the company divulged more details about the phone's hardware.

Alt Android

Jolla has had a turbulent history. After the company floundered the launch of its Jolla Tablet in 2015, it nearly went bankrupt and pivoted to licensing Sailfish OS to automotive companies and governments, including Russia. After the invasion of Ukraine, Jolla had to cut ties with Russia, and a corporate restructuring meant that Jolla's assets were acquired by the company's former management under a new company called Jollyboys.

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The new Jolla Phone.

Courtesy of Jolla

It got back into the smartphone game in 2024 with the Jolla C2 Community Phone, made in collaboration with a local Turkish company, and it was this experience that gave Jolla the courage to jump back into the hardware business with the new Jolla Phone. Unlike the C2, this device is completely assembled in Salo, Finland, where Nokia phones were manufactured more than a decade ago.

“Europeans want more European technology,” Sami Pienimäki, CEO of Jolla Mobile, tells WIRED. “People want to go away from Big Tech, and the other trend is that European people want sovereign tech—it makes it possible for our kind of company to have a position in the market.”

Building a smartphone from scratch was also much harder over a decade ago, but today, Pienimäki says the operation can be fairly lean without having to “pay too much up-front.”

The components are sourced from various vendors and countries. The MediaTek Dimensity 7100 5G chip hails from Taiwan; the 50-megapixel main and 13-megapixel ultrawide camera sensors are from Sony; the 8 or 12 GB of RAM is from SK Hynix in South Korea.

“There are Chinese components as well—we are totally open about it—but the key is that, as we compile the software ourselves and install it in Finland, we protect the integrity of the product,” Pienimäki says.

What makes Sailfish OS unique over competitors like GrapheneOS and e/OS is that it's not based on the Android Open Source Project, but Linux. That means it has no ties to Google—no need for the company to “deGoogle” the software; meaning there's a greater sense of sovereignty over the software (and now the hardware). Still, it's able to run Android apps, though the implementation isn't perfect. Another common criticism is that it's not as secure as options like GrapheneOS, where every app is sandboxed.

There's a good chance some Android apps on Sailfish OS will run into issues, which is why in the startup wizard the phone will ask if you want to install services like MicroG—open source software that can run Google services on devices that don't have the Google Play Store, making it an easier on-ramp for folks coming from traditional smartphones without a technical background. You don't even need to create a Sailfish OS account to use the Jolla Phone.

Jolla’s effort is hardly the first to push the anti–Big Tech narrative. A wave of other hardware and software companies offer a deGoogled experience, whether that’s Murena from France and its e/OS privacy-friendly operating system or the Canadian GrapheneOS, which just announced a partnership with Motorola. At CES earlier this year, the Swiss company Punkt also teamed up with ApostrophyOS to deploy its software on the new MC03 smartphone. Jolla is following a broader European trend of reducing reliance on US companies, like how French officials ditched Zoom for French-made video conference software earlier this year.

Murena CEO and founder Gaël Duval wrote in a statement emailed to WIRED that the company believes it has a different mission from the Jolla Phone as it's trying to bring the existing mobile app ecosystem—minus the permanent data collection by Google and third-party trackers—without a learning curve for the average person. “We want to make privacy possible for the everyday person without the need for technical expertise or a development background,” he says.

The Phone

A common problem with these niche smartphones is that they inevitably end up costing a lot of money for the specs. Take the Light Phone III, for example, a fairly low-tech anti-smartphone that doesn't enjoy the benefits of economies of scale, resulting in an outlandish $699 price. The Jolla Phone is in a similar boat, though the specs-to-value ratio is a little more respectable.

It's powered by a midrange MediaTek Dimensity 7100 5G chip with 8 GB of RAM, 256 GB of storage, plus a microSD card slot and dual-SIM tray. There's a 6.36-inch 1080p AMOLED screen, the two main cameras, and a 32-megapixel selfie shooter. The 5,500-mAh battery cell is fairly large considering the phone's size, though the phone's connectivity is a little dated, stuck with Wi-Fi 6 and Bluetooth 5.4.

Uniquely, the Jolla Phone brings back “The Other Half” functional rear covers from the original. These swappable back covers have pogo pins that interface with the phone, allowing people to create unique accessories like a second display on the back of the phone or even a keyboard attachment. There's an Innovation Program where the community can cocreate functional covers together and 3D-print them. And yes, a removable rear cover means the Jolla Phone's battery is user-replaceable.

Pienimäki says that while the device doesn't have FCC approval, you can theoretically import it into the US, and it should work with the major US carriers, though compatibility is rarely a given. Jolla is considering a separate US launch, though right now it's focusing on the European Union, the UK, Norway, and Switzerland.

Antti Saarnio, Jolla Group’s chairperson, reiterates that the Jolla Phone will be a niche product. “Most of the people using Android or iOS will not switch, but we should treat this as a stepping stone for something new,” Saarnio says. The “path to real volume” will come from the mobile market breaking down into new form factors, powered by artificial intelligence.

He's likely referring to Jolla's Mind2, a privacy-focused AI computer, which is still in active development. It plugs into a PC and connects Jolla's AI assistant to apps like email and calendar locally—no cloud access required. The chatbot-like interface lets you ask it questions about your data, whether you're fishing for something from an email or a private message. While the new Jolla Phone won't have any AI capabilities at launch, Saarnio says an integration will be an option users can enable later this year.

Jolla has street cred for supporting its devices for a long time, but we'll have to wait and see how the fresh hardware holds up and just how much the company has polished the Sailfish OS experience, especially since it's much easier today to get started with a deGoogled Android alternative.

[-] Jack@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 days ago

and a 32-megapixel selfie shooter

Do the people who want a Linux phone that isn't Android, also want a selfie camera? Those 2 things don't seem to go together.

the new Jolla Phone won’t have any AI capabilities at launch, Saarnio says an integration will be an option users can enable later this year.

Again, Linux and LLM?

I personally don't like the phones/software targeting the privacy-demographic, because of all the pro-crypto and LLM stuff. Anyone have suggestions for phones for people who care about privacy, but care more about ethics? So no: LLMs, crypto, Russia/Chine/USA components?

[-] rumba@lemmy.zip 12 points 1 day ago

Do the people who want a Linux phone that isn’t Android, also want a selfie camera? Those 2 things don’t seem to go together.

Yeah, I want to be able to have a video call with my family that doesn't look like ass. I'd also like to be able to attend meet/zoom calls without being called out for using a potato.

the new Jolla Phone won’t have any AI capabilities at launch, Saarnio says an integration will be an option users can enable later this year.

Less so, but then again, if I'm in control of my data, getting a on-device speech to text for a conversation would be good, if I could use the hardware to fuel a swipe text model, that would be net positive.

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[-] YourItalianScallion@lemmy.world 14 points 2 days ago

If it's closed source it is not anti-big tech

[-] jenny_ball@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

the problem is the usa antenna bands

[-] lithiumground@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

Is it privacy friendly ? I don’t care if it is Eu product or not ,

[-] Kjell@lemmy.world 2 points 12 hours ago

Google will not spy on you and most of the code is open source. I'm not sure if it has been audited.

[-] Ftumch@lemmy.today 34 points 2 days ago

While SailfishOS seems neat, it's worth noting that some components, like some drivers, the homescreen UI, the compositor, some QML components and the Android compatibility layer are closed source. The rest of the software stack seems to be based on open source components from desktop Linux. The package manager uses RPM.

[-] cerebralhawks@lemmy.dbzer0.com 24 points 2 days ago

I feel like the point was to get away from the Android/iOS duopoly, not to court open-source advocates... though it does sort of do that, using Linux.

[-] Ftumch@lemmy.today 11 points 2 days ago

I don't disagree and I definitely trust a Finnish company founded by former Nokia engineers a lot more than Google or Apple. But I think there is a lot of overlap between both the "buy European" movement and Fediverse users and those who prefer open solutions wherever possible. A lot of those people would prefer a solution where the userland and/or kernel and/or SDK is completely open source. They will have to weigh their options based on the fact that while SailfishOS is more open than Android or iOS, it is not fully open source.

By the way, it is also worth noting that unlike Google, so far Jolla has been moving in the direction of open sourcing more components of their OS. No one can predict the future, though, and some people would prefer to avoid any possible future vendor lock-in.

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[-] bufalo1973@piefed.social 17 points 2 days ago

The nice part is that all those parts can be recreated as open source if SailfishOS gains traction. Just like in Linux private blobs have their open source counterparts.

[-] 73ms@sopuli.xyz 11 points 2 days ago

That's a very glass half full way of looking at it but doesn't that apply just as much to Android?

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[-] vivalapivo@lemmy.today 13 points 2 days ago

€700 for a phone??? Am I a joke to you?

[-] greyscale@lemmy.sdf.org 36 points 2 days ago

you say that like apple hasn't trained everyone to get used to a 1200 euro bi-annual upgrade cycle

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[-] cabbage@piefed.social 26 points 2 days ago

There's an argument to be made that this is a reasonable price, and that much cheaper phones should be treated with high suspicion.

[-] Axolotl_cpp@feddit.it 17 points 2 days ago

I mean, if they don't rob your data, they have to get money somewhere and they are also making you pay for the OS i guess

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