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The Finnish company Jolla is back with the Linux-powered Jolla Phone. It’s being positioned as an antidote to the US-dominated smartphone status quo of Android and iOS.

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[-] Asfalttikyntaja@sopuli.xyz 123 points 2 months ago

Fediverse is like “oh, I wish there would be some other option to phones apart from android and iOS!” When you show them there’s another option, all are going like “it’s fucking obsolete, it can’t even run android apps and it’s not cheap enough, I will use android and iOS because they are better! And reasonable priced.”

[-] kingofthezyx@lemmy.zip 65 points 2 months ago

They are mostly different people. One group of people comments on their desire for something open when something closed is mentioned, and another group comments on the downsides of something open when it's being discussed.

[-] manualoverride@lemmy.world 17 points 2 months ago

There is a reason it’s a duopoly, making a competing phone eco system to rival two of the wealthiest companies in the world is not easy. Microsoft tried but even they didn’t have enough money. People need apps, because companies want us to use their apps and there are only two app stores, one is walled off so you basically have to run Android apps or convince every company to make an app for your OS. I’m not wealthy so I only buy a phone every 8-10 years… if I can’t ensure I can do my banking shopping and entertainment on my phone I can’t buy it, and every banking/shopping/entertainment site is designed to be terrible on a phone so they can get you to install their app.

[-] IratePirate@feddit.org 12 points 2 months ago

Microsoft tried but even they didn’t have enough money.

Money was not the issue. Timing and smarts were.

[-] manualoverride@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago

Timing is a given… the whole point is now there is a duopoly it’s impossible to compete.

Windows Phone OS was excellent, smooth, efficient and relatively intuitive with flagship models competing with Google and Apple.

The problem was getting apps created for the App Store with the lowest market share. The phone sector was losing money, it did that for years with no great improvement in market share. The call was made entirely because Microsoft can’t have a red mark on their balance sheet for that long without investors getting annoyed.

It was the money.

[-] IratePirate@feddit.org 1 points 2 months ago

The problem was getting apps created for the App Store with the lowest market share.

And why was there such a poor app ecosystem and low market share? Because Android and iOS had already cornered the market before Microsoft decided in late 2010 (!) to make a half-assed attempt at entering the market. And if you're so late to the game, you must at least do it smartly and offer features the others don't. Microsoft did not, and thus had to back off eventually.

So if you look closely, it was timing and smarts.

[-] manualoverride@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago

I wouldn’t call $7.6 billion half-assed, but maybe that’s just me.

[-] IratePirate@feddit.org 3 points 2 months ago

I can throw $100 billion at a problem and still have a half-assed strategy, causing the money to burn up in the process. (I'd really love try this out, btw. I'm just $100 billion short.)

[-] defaultusername@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

My problem with Sailfish is the UI is proprietary, which is a step back from Android. I also don't think this phone uses a mainline kernel, which limits long-term support to whenever their chosen LTS kernel goes EOL.

What I want is a phone that has a fully functional mainline Linux kernel, which currently does not exist. It'd be even better if the primary bootloader was replacable, similar to how coreboot can be installed on some laptops.

It is very nice to see a phone with a removable battery and a microSD card slot, though.

[-] macros@feddit.org 3 points 2 months ago

Just going by your listed requirements: N900 with Maemo Leste.

Of couse its Hardware is to limited for todays tasks (Web)

[-] Shayeta@feddit.org 11 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Yeah, I don't use my phone for gaming or any other intensive applications. I use it mostly for communication, authenticators, and music. As long as it has a 3.5mm jack I dont care.

[-] Walle@retrolemmy.com 5 points 2 months ago

There is no 3.5mm jack. I was like this for years but 10€ dongle can help although it is not ideal for some people.

[-] Dojan@pawb.social 10 points 2 months ago

But Sailfish does run Android apps.

[-] 73ms@sopuli.xyz 3 points 2 months ago

I wonder how well nowadays. I've seen some talk about using Waydroid with Sailfish too.

[-] kilgore_trout@feddit.it 8 points 2 months ago

Most people care about convenience more than about Freedom.

[-] SharkAttak@kbin.melroy.org 4 points 2 months ago

I get what you mean, but I'm of the same sentiment: I don't need 1TB of internal space nor to play Cyberpunk on the go, I just need a simple phone for calls, texts, GPS, bank and other lght tasks, and I can't spend €650 for maybe half of those to work; it's frankly too much.

[-] Rai@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 months ago

Absolutely same, with one caveat… I want my phone to have the best possible camera I can get. ..two caveats, I want to also keep my phone for as long as possible. If I use a phone for five years and it’s still fast and has a relatively nice camera after five years, 1200-1500USD is totally reasonable.

I didn’t even need to upgrade to THIS phone when my last one was five years old, but I wanted more space for pictures (I keep about 20k on there at a time)… and switching to 120hz for scrolling web sites also was a huge bonus

[-] Akasazh@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I have supported this project and intend to buy the phone.

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