TL;DR: I called out a defederation evader from hexbear.
"I don't know why everyone is saying dbzer0 is in bed with tankies!"
If you let tankies into your bar, you'll have a tankie bar!
As time passes I become increasingly convinced that dbzer0 is a tankie instance. I wonder if I'll receive any notification that My posts are removed if these people remove them. We don't federate .ml
Not that I'm a hugely active community member, but I haven't noticed a lot of tanks around. Certainly more left unity than other instances, but we do have a vote to defed from hexbear every three months it seems like.
I'm seeing dbzer0 lose the information war to ml and adopt more tankie stances on issues over time.
Db0 is federated with Hexbear? The owner of Blahaj tried to stay federated with them due to the large trans community there but eventually had to put it to a vote and defederated because their users were harassing and brigading Blahaj users on our own instance for not being "socialist" enough. Then Hexbear played the victim card after the fact and claimed that it was Blahaj users who were harassing their trans community.
They're very draconic about not criticizing genAI. I don't know if they're tankies per se, but they're definitely authoritarian about people that disagree with them.
Enshittification of db0 continues I see.
I lost all respect for the place when I saw that they're openly supporting GenAI right in the instance info and have communities dedicated to all the big models stealing the work of artists. The "anarchist" instance is pro Corporatism so long as they're the ones benefiting from it? Yikes.
I'm honestly kinda surprised that there isn't more of a Republican influence over there.
Why would they in the fuck use Gen AI in a "leftist" server
If you ask them they delete the discussion, so who knows.
I like how they responded to my "may I give you some more reasons why using AI is bad" with "no you may not" and removing my comment.
They got one whiff of power as admins and moderators and became authoritarians.
I've pointed out before the tendency of self-proclaimed anarchists to become authoritarian whenever they're the ones in power, but they thrash me for it about how I apparently don't understand "theory," when the reality is they're the ones who don't understand the difference between "theory" and "practice."
Some level of organizational structure is necessary to prevent authoritarians from seizing and consolidating power. Just because current iterations in geopolitics haven't been perfect, doesn't mean we should throw out the idea entirely. It needs to be developed further, with lessons learned from history. Not thrown out with the bathwater.
It's a delicate balance though, because at one extreme you have authoritarians imposing heavy restrictions to prevent other authoritarians from gaining a foothold, and at the other extreme you have libertarian-esque permissiveness allowing authoritarians to gain a foothold.
The problem can't be solved without having nuanced discussions, acknowledging the full complexities of the situation and the inadequacies of overly simplistic "solutions," which is impossible to do within campist spaces (which increasingly seem to be all of them).
If I had to hazard a guess, I'd say they see it as being no different than pirating any other kind of media from multi billion dollar corporations, which completely ignores the fact that those hurt the most by genAI models are the small artists who lose out both on both having their labor stolen and losing potential future customers.
Either that, or they have the same mentality as middle managers and upper management in that they don't value the labor required to produce art but desire the end result, and work backwards from there to justify it.
Turns out the "anarchist" and "capitalist" are more similar than they'd like to admit--they speak of freedoms while motivated by self-interest alone, and they see fruits of other people's labor and creativity as something that they are entitled to exploit for their own gain.
They'd be just as happy to steal wages as they are to steal art if they were in the position to do so.
I have personally had very negative experiences with half of the people on that mod list.
Fuk Hexbear users.
Could have told you that months ago.
Yep, it might as well be a hexbear comm at this point.
Db0 Admins be like
Sacrebleu, Nien , of course we French are not Nazis. This is a proud Vitchy France Instance!
OwO notices your lack of ML.
/S
Note to the commenters here: This is a single comm, not the instance. We have plenty of anti-tankie comms as well, like !flippanarchy@lemmy.dbzer0.com !tankiejerk@lemmy.dbzer0.com. That comm tries misguidedly to enforce left-unity, which is why it's always ending up in drama like that.
Note to the commenters here: This is a single comm, not the instance. We have plenty of anti-tankie comms as well....
Interestingly the "not the instance" argument didn't apply when you guys voted to defed from feddit.org last month.
So by your own community's standards it is absolutely the whole instance.
That comm tries misguidedly to enforce left-unity, which is why it's always ending up in drama like that.
It's not misguided. It's intentionally using the paradox of tolerance to open a space for the hexbear crowd.
We have plenty of anti-tankie comms as well
Leftymemes, nominally, is also supposed to have that stance. It's the first line in the description. You'd never know it by the people that post there, the content they post, or the mods they answer to.
This is a single comm, not the instance.
You don't have a Nazi bar. The Nazis are just making a lot of noise, being belligerent to non-Nazis, and inviting more and more of their friends.
Mhm, equating online tankies to nazis is sure something...
As is pretending to not understand the Nazi bar analogy.
Ye It has as much impact as telling us we're risking making it a "liberal bar". It's just ridiculous.
Yeah, their flags are totally different.
Mate, even you instinctively know the difference. What would you fear most, a gathering of nazis or a gathering of communists. If you had to walk through one of them to get away, which would you choose? Tankies out of state power are harmless. In fact their criticisms of capitalism and their takes on social justice tend to be on point.
I'd fear both because both would want to execute me for either not being pure enough, for supporting a different ideology or just plain for being queer (don't tell me MLs are queer friendly because my real life experiences of being physically attacked by MLs for being queer tells me they are not).
You also have mods draconically ban any constructive conversation arguing that genAI is bad in LeftyMemes and undoubtedly other communities.
We have an instance-wide rule about that which has been voted in by the community. It's not draconian, we just don't want every post in our instance comms to become a salt mine with genai haters
A majority of a specific in-group voted for that rule at some point in the past? Oh wow, I'm sorry, there's no way that can be unjust.
What's telling is that the comments defending AI stay up, saying how they've never seen good arguments while banning good arguments without explanation.
But sure, it's no skin off my back. I'll block your communities and your admins and mods and advise your users to migrate. Try to learn something from this when your community implodes in a couple years.
A majority of a specific in-group voted for that rule at some point in the past? Oh wow, I'm sorry, there's no way that can be unjust.
No, the whole instance voted.
But sure, it's no skin off my back. I'll block your communities and your admins and mods.
That's the ticket!
But that doesn't make much sense.
Did the majority of the instance vote for this rule, or was it only the people who actually showed up to vote? Because if it's the latter, then it's not very representative, is it? Wouldn't the fact that many comments criticising the use of GenAI, which directly inflates AI and tech companies and the worst that capitalism has to offer, being removed show that it's not a clear majority, and you should revote?
And even when, why would anarchists vote when you've shown yourself to be draconian? When you remove and ban random users for random reasons. Isn't one of anarchists core beliefs that voting means implicit agreement with the state? With you being the state in this example.
Goddamnit I really don't want to have to switch instances again
Same here.
That explains all the communism posts.
Lefty memes in my leftymemes community??? Say it ain't so!!!!
Communists murder every other leftist the moment they get into power they don't belong in leftist communities.
Wasn’t the admin already sucking ml dick before? How is this surprising?
I got perma-banned from there for saying that them crossposting "memes" from Hexbear at least made it easy to spot the Left MAGAts.
What's a left MAGA? Just asking because I know ofc you got the term for right-wing Democrats, but I'm guessing this term relates to the overlaps in traditional ML thought and fascism?
I prefer blue maga, but it's someone who thinks the world can made great by the liberal side of the American binary system. Despite the fact that civil "rights" which were fought for have been systemically torn apart by a ratchet effect and a forever shifting Overton window that the democratic party has been explicitly engaging in.
They think the DNC can be trusted, that the system is not broken, and that change can be created from within the DNC/RNC monopoly by working with it. Not that we are a near fully-captured oligarchy with low education masses that are easily manipulated by media propoganda.
I was meaning the ML stuff, but yeah I know blue MAGA, but it's not just that blue MAGA are just dumb liberals, but blue MAGA is specifically the policy of Democrats to create a Bill Clinton 2.0 that adopts most meaningful policies of Trump (the anti trans and imperialist fascist policies like supporting slaughtering of foreign born brown people, criminalizing transness inherently, the increase in surveillance and authoritarian policy like ID scans and using Palantir/Flock, being dark woke without being woke at all, so on so on) and pretends it's different because a Democrat is doing it. It's the classic "Democrats can do Republican policy better" stupidity.
Yeah, though I wouldn't say that ML falls into this category generally. It's more specifically about the farther extreme end that is usually relegated to Hexbear and beyond that start to fall into the "so left they practically loop back to the other end of the spectrum" group. There are those amongst that group that have no problems with harassment or transphobia or anything else so long as they deem the target as having failed their purity test and therefore being nothing but capitalist scum who deserve everything they get.
That sub has always been run by Hexbear and .ml alts. If you paid enough attention to usernames you'd recognize most of the ones you didn't circle. Therapy Gary is the only one on that list that isn't a ban happy jackass in my experience.
... And y'all really have a hard time wrapping your heads around the idea of letting people run their little communities the way they want to. Wonder why.
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