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I am glad to announce you guys that number of tankies here is below 4% according to up/downvotes
It's low enough to know them by their usernames and shame them every time they post something
As long as they're genuine and civil about their opinions, I encourage a space for that discussion. If it's disingenuous trolling or crude propaganda then it becomes a problem.
The general public framing of the war and Russian "denazification" messaging has basically broke criticism of the situation in the mainstream. It's even to the point where you can support Ukrainian people and clearly identify Russia as the aggressor, but if you rationalize how this war didn't come out of nowhere people's alarm bells go up, and immediately you are scrutinized whether you're a Russian troll or not. (There is no measure of sincerity online.)
The shocking thing for me is how quickly people revel in violence the second there's a moral justification for it. Like you see closeups of injured Russians getting grenades dropped on them and see their bodies exploding, and it's almost treated as a moral duty to view this as entertainment, consuming it on the same social media feeds you would memes and friend's family photos.
I am, sadly, guilty of the last part, but to my defence I followed the beginning of this war almost religiously and the brutality the russian soldiers was beyond horrific.
They had absolutely zero regard for human life in any form or way.
I've also heard countless recordings of phone calls between soldiers and families back in Russia and while not all are equally bad, many were sould wrenching to listen to.
I can't excuse cheering for the loss of life, even when brainwashed, but I did and felt comfort knowing that there was one invader leas to wreck havock upon the Ukranian population.
I would reckon many were in the same boat as myself.
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If it's disingenuous trolling or crude propaganda then it becomes a problem.
That's what tankies do almost by definition. You're talking about the rare breed of communists who aren't tankies.
It's not rare. There are just a lot of loud, terminally online people on Lemmy.
At this point, there is very little room for a discussion that hasn't already been settled though. Anyone who doesn't see Ukraine as the victim and Russia as the complete aggressor is already a fool (who if they haven't understood by now, will they ever?) or a troll.
I don't think the issue for criticism is whether they're a victim of Russia's aggression, they were clearly invaded. The issue is why they, as a victim in this context, benefit from the full weight of western support, whereas other victims are basically ignored, or even explained away as something expected and "unfortunate." If you sincerely support Ukrainian people you have to realize they are not being supported by the west simply because they are good deserving people, else we'd have sent weapons to many other groups in even more dire situations, the names of which aren't even in our public conscious. If you truly support victimized people you have to go far beyond the messaging from western governments, and it will extend far beyond borders and national/religious identities. Just look at the way Kurds were symbolized in the war against ISIS, and what eventually happened there. People had the Kurdish flag on their social media profiles, they were the moderate independent democratic state in the midst of extremists, then they were no longer a useful political tool in this context.
The reason propaganda has been so successful in this war, is that any criticism of the western powers is taken as criticism of people in Ukraine and akin to support of Russia. Even though, as we we've seen time and time again, these institutions change their tune and we can expect western Ukrainian regions to at some point becomes yesterday's news, just like Crimea was in 2014.
” If you sincerely support Ukrainian people you have to realize they are not being supported by the west simply because they are good deserving people, else we’d have sent weapons to many other groups in even more dire situations
its pretty clear though the reasons for ukraine support in the west isnt purely because ukraine is our best mate, its because of the implications if they were to fall, pretty sure even ukraine is well aware of this. its simply an outcome that needs to be avoided at all costs other wise europe is going to be in for a hell of a decade
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😭🤧 Tankies get hankies. 😭🤧
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Russia has all the power - they can end the war as soon as they pull their shitbirds out of Ukraine & Crimea.
And hell, get the fuck out of Georgia while we're discussing. Go home, sign up for a 12 step program and figure out your fucking lives while awaiting the warcrimes charges.
As Churchill said, Nations that go down fighting rise again, but those who surrendered timely were finished. Slava Ukraini
Did he say that before or after causing the Bengal famine of 1943?
He had nothing to do with that. The famine was largely caused by natural disasters, crop disease, Japanese invasion of Burma, and incompetent local beurocrats.
I would also imagine that he was a little busy with the impending fall of Europe in 1943 given the Americans did not join the war until 1944. I also looked at additional accounts and it appears the local government didn't even declare a state of emergency, so how would he have known?
given the Americans did not join the war until 1944
What? Do you think D-day was the first day of war for Americans? It wasn't.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_Army_campaigns_during_World_War_II
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France went down surrendering yet rose again - both during WWII.
Slava Palestine!
Don’t bring these dumb analogies to this conflict. While Israel definitely acts towards Palestine the way Russia acts towards its former colonies, Hamas itself acts like Russian backed “people’s republic”.
This will lead to radicalization of Israel’s politics. The date was chosen to have the maximum chance of shutting down any positive resolution around Palestine.
In other words, this is not an attempt to free Palestine, it’s an attempt to set the world on fire.
I have a hard time believing that the Israeli intelligence community didn't see this coming. Mossad created the fucking Stuxned and can't even see bunch of militants coming to their borders. The only person benefitting from this is Netanyahu as he may use this war as an excuse to further consolidate his power.
I feel bad for the average Ivan who gets shoved into the meat grinder, except I think those are all sunflower food now and it’s the dregs. The dregs of a brutalist society..
Slava Ukraini! It’s good to see all the weapons we built for this exact purpose being used properly, Vlad is being impaled on our 30 year old dusty stuff
With zelensky sending his support to Israel, who is also facing terror at their door step, this is an interesting take..
When your enemy labels you a Nazi to rationalize invasion, it helps refute the claim.
By sending support to fascist israel?
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What do you expect when Iran is making the drones that are raining down on his country?
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To be honest I don't give a fuck either way. We are going to have the WW3 in a decade at the most. China is preparing to become sanction proof taking notes from Russian fuck ups and dumping US dollars and bringing back anything and everything they can to the mainland. Taiwan will be the new Poland!
And if the US continue to act like they are in control we all gonna wake up to a ruined world thanks to this pissing contest between 3 counties while we are part any of them.
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