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I’ve posted quite a bit on here since I created my account, posts I consider non-controversial, since I’m not interested in arguing or getting into heated topics like politics. Even so, I still get the occasional snarky comment. Out of curiosity, I sometimes check the person’s post history when I see something like that, and without fail, their profile is full of snarky, negative, or hateful posts overall. It always makes me wonder: do people like this genuinely get enjoyment from surrounding themselves with negativity? What’s the thought process behind it?

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[-] lietuva@lemmy.world 2 points 25 minutes ago

Anger causes higher level of engagement. If you see a post or comment you agree on, there's no reason for you to comment. More engagement - more clicks - more ad revenue.

Some people's have natural born desire to seek for conflicts wherever they go - on the internet or outside of it. These people feel right about anything, and constatly seek to prove everyone is inferior around them.

[-] Hossenfeffer@feddit.uk 2 points 1 hour ago

There's a human need to make some kind of impact on others. Some people do it by building up - posting positivity, or creating art, or whatever. Others do it by tearing down - posting insults, or vandalism, and so on.

The negative path is much, much easier.

[-] sleepmode@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago

They’re scared of what they don’t understand. They don’t leave their bubble so they have an extremely narrow world view. When they’re constantly in an echo chamber and that stops working how they expect: RREEEEEEE

And some people are just dicks. They don’t know how to socially interact in a normal way. So they get their jollies “trolling.”

[-] YiddishMcSquidish@lemmy.today 2 points 3 hours ago

Yeah. I don't get it either. Some people are just miserable and want emotional company.

[-] binarytobis@lemmy.world 3 points 5 hours ago

One of the great things about lemmy is that when I block someone toxic it has a significant impact on the quality of my feed.

[-] Grail@multiverse.soulism.net 1 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

Politics isn't always heated. Most politics is actually pretty calm. For example, this post is political, but it's not heated or controversial. I think that treating politics like it can't be calm is what makes posts like this heated.

[-] disregardable@lemmy.zip 51 points 13 hours ago

do people like this genuinely get enjoyment from surrounding themselves with negativity?

it's an emotional outlet. they can't regulate their emotions without lashing out. I just block people that don't know how to get along well with others.

[-] abbadon420@sh.itjust.works 22 points 13 hours ago

WHY WON'T YOU TALK TO ME?!! I NEED ATTENTION!!!!

[-] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 10 points 13 hours ago

Or they’re regulating their emotions all the time and use a pseudonymous message board to vent.

[-] actionjbone@sh.itjust.works 8 points 10 hours ago

It's not regulation if they are hateful. It's abuse.

[-] MentalEdge@sopuli.xyz 4 points 7 hours ago

Fucking truth.

Dumping your emotional outbursts onto people over the internet is no better than doing so in person.

Yet I know for a fact that lot of people online, especially in games, just stop controlling themselves. Simply because they can't see the person whose day, week, or life they are ruining.

[-] MentalEdge@sopuli.xyz 1 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago)

and use a pseudonymous message board to vent

You mean use strangers as verbal punching bags?

They're not screaming into a pillow.

They're sending their problems out into the world, where they may or may not harm or even kill others.

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[-] JadenSmith@sh.itjust.works 7 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago)

I like to encourage a silly sort of reaction, rather than a hostile one.

I was playing Rocket League the other day, and said that the enemy team's mother buys off-brand baked beans. I got called a doughnut.

If someone is being angry, try calling them various fruit. Then again some people are just straight up chikoos.

[-] InvalidName2@lemmy.zip 5 points 9 hours ago

There probably is a root cause or at least a cluster of root causes, but I couldn't tell you what.

I've personally known 2 people who fit the profile you're asking about. They get online and they're just so hateful, spiteful, mean, and negative. There's not a lot of commonality between them, but I see some things that might count. Hard for me to know if these are applicable to most people behaving badly online, though.

First and foremost, neither of them behave this way to that extent in person. The worst of their behavior is limited to online interactions. Both of them are terribly flawed people and nowhere near what I would call a great person, though, even in person they are both a lot to handle at times.

These guys have an opinion on literally everything, their opinion is right, and anybody who questions that or has an opposing opinion is to be mocked and belittled. They are egotistical narcissists for sure.

While they seem to have a decent social circle, there are some strange aspects to it. For example, despite all their friends, their family (including close members like parents, children, siblings) are mostly/entirely estranged. And, their friendships often seem a bit shallow and transactional.

These guys both have rigid social expectations of others, and expect other people to follow those standards without having to be asked or told. Like, if a child forgot to say thank you after they were given a gift, they won't ever let that go. 10 years from now, they'll talk about the time that Kimmy didn't say thank you when she was 9. Or if a woman declines their chivalry, then she's a bitch from now until eternity because that's "rude".

[-] tomiant@piefed.social 2 points 8 hours ago

There's some pretty subjective opinions on what constitutes "hateful". Some people are just comfortable in their little echo space and refuse to have their world view challenged, and when anyone says something that doesn't align with their particular take on reality they resort to calling people something-phobic. It really goes both ways.

[-] BrianTheeBiscuiteer@lemmy.world 18 points 13 hours ago

They get their Russian payments.

[-] myszka@lemmy.ml 2 points 9 hours ago

Why would a country from the other side of the globe care about quite a niche social network that isn't present in their cultural bubble?

[-] hoch@lemmy.world 1 points 8 hours ago

Because that's exactly the kind of thing Russians do. They're culturally obligated to ruin things for everyone else.

[-] myszka@lemmy.ml 2 points 7 hours ago

That's pretty biased. I wonder what your opinion is based on

[-] pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 6 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago)

They are definitely trolls, paid or not. But I suspect you are correct. Causing Americans not to have a place to enjoy or feel comfortable in, has worked quite well to cause division. I have sources, but I don't feel like digging them out right now. Hey trolls, if you dare me to, you'll be sorry *because the material opens people's eyes.

[-] zikzak025@lemmy.world 4 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago)

I wouldn't read that far into it. American defaultism is such an omnipresent phenomenon across most of the popular internet, it feels like most places are catered to Americans in some capacity.

What I can sympathize with are the communities that restrict US politics, or politics in general. Other than the echo chamber/circlejerk nature of it, it often just becomes an anxiety-inducing spiral into nothingness that sometimes people, American or otherwise, just want a break from. Because it's already everywhere else.

[-] _haha_oh_wow_@sh.itjust.works 8 points 12 hours ago

There are 100% paid trolls out to cause as much disruption as possible, this has been repeatedly and reliably documented. This is a fact, not conspiracy.

Is every single asshole you meet a paid troll? No, that's highly unlikely, but it is absolutely true that there are campaigns run by governments and corporations to astroturf all sorts of shit from elections to what products you buy.

[-] pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 7 points 12 hours ago

The Alt-Right Playbook: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLJA_jUddXvY7v0VkYRbANnTnzkA_HMFtQ

[-] zikzak025@lemmy.world 4 points 12 hours ago

I'm not saying astroturfing doesn't exist, just questioning the idea that Americans are being left without a place to enjoy or feel comfortable in. If anything, I see astroturfing doing more of the opposite, shoving the American propaganda machine into every crevice it can. Which "coincidentally" happens to align well with Russian interests, too.

The whole point of making american politics omnipresent is to make it uncomfortable. The american right lives or dies by its ability to make its audience fearful and angry, to channel those uncomfortable feelings into either infighting or apathy, and to reinforce those feelings constantly. It's not designed to make americans feel comfortable even if it reinforces already held beliefs. It's supposed to keep people off-balance.

[-] zikzak025@lemmy.world 3 points 6 hours ago

I would argue though that it depends on the space you're in. Conservative bubbles are astroturfed as fuck to inspire fear, sure, but it's supposed to assure people that they are in the "in group" and there is a justified "other" to vilify and take the blame everything bad in the world. They have all the answers, and all you need to do is share on your socials and vote for the right person.

But I guess I'd consider political doomscrolling (which it seems like this is more veering towards) to be a separate phenomenon, which is not entirely immune to astroturfing either, but does not have it as a prerequisite. That discomfort is usually just the product of anxiety among people who realize they are not in the in group and are sharing their concerns.

My experience with the conservative bubble is not one of assurance. When I was a kid the news was constantly about how Christianity is under attack from The Liberals and we're on the brink of annihilation, all the time. One of the other signatures of repressive societies is that, even if you are visibly "in" via whiteness, maleness, overt Christian displays, etc. there are always enemies among us, socialists or gays or whatever the invisible enemy du jour is. And even if you aren't gay or socialist, there is always a risk of being percieved as such and expelled from the community. That threat of expulsion is ever-present and requires constant displays of conformity to quell suspicion. You quit going to church, you laugh too much with another man, you have a Democratic mailer lying around your house, any of these are grounds for being exiled by your community. It's constant stress, by design.

[-] pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 4 points 12 hours ago

just questioning the idea that Americans are being left without a place to enjoy or feel comfortable in.

You're just questioning the idea, eh? The "American propaganda machine" is the right wing who coincidentally aligns with Russia and the Russian mob for decades.

[-] zikzak025@lemmy.world 2 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago)

Yes, the right wing who goes out of their way to make the internet feel as "America First" as possible, that's what I said. Again I ask, how does that not make Americans feel comfortable in online spaces? Unless you're referring to one of the "wrong" kinds of Americans that the right-wing doesn't approve of, I suppose.

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[-] WatDabney@lemmy.dbzer0.com 17 points 13 hours ago

Affirmation.

They're generally desperately insecure and unable to find anything of any value in themselves, so since they can't build themselves up, they try to tear other people down.

And it doesn't work very well, so if they come to depend on it, they have to do it virtually nonstop.

[-] myszka@lemmy.ml 3 points 9 hours ago

Well said! I think it's like jealousy. You destroy those who are better than you to be closer to the top.

[-] myszka@lemmy.ml 3 points 9 hours ago

I think it's the same as with being toxic irl. I would guess it's a sort of revenge against society that has hated these people for doing something before. Or maybe people feel injustice when others do what they can't. Sometimes, your peaceful opinion might be an attack for somebody if it represents something they fight. It also may make these people feel less helpless and more self-worthy, i.e. compensate for the hate they've received themselves. Trauma, to put it simply

[-] mr_noxx@lemmy.ml 11 points 13 hours ago

There are a lot of reasons for this. Some people never learned how to manage their emotions or how to disagree in a mature manner. A lot of people feel frustrated, angry and powerless in their everyday lives, so being nasty to others online provides a weird sort of catharsis for them. Others simply never acquired the necessary social skills to successfully function in society to any significant degree. Still others are narcissists who derive feelings of power from making others feel small. The list goes on and on.

[-] AskewLord@piefed.social 9 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago)

It also works on the flip side. Lots of immature people think anything they find disagreeable is awful and anyone who challenges them is hateful.

Like telling a child that candy is bad for them and they can't have it for dinner. Usually the child doesn't go 'gee thanks mom, you are right.' They throw a tantrum and ask why their parents are so mean and awful to them.

[-] Pudutr0n@lemmy.world 5 points 13 hours ago

I legit know a few people who seek conflict in any and every situation. Always baffled me. I think maybe they're in constant fear or smth.

[-] Pudutr0n@lemmy.world 6 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago)

People often focus their anger at anything but its object to avoid feeling impotent... you know, like when people are having a bad day and thsy snap at something random.

Edit: it's a power thing... you know, "if i can torture/correct/make fun of internet randos then i am not completely powerless, which is what i fear because i feel i have no power over that thing that actually hurts me. I hurt people to feel control over a hostile life."

[-] plyth@feddit.org 1 points 4 hours ago

i feel i have no power over that thing that actually hurts me.

Which is true for the political machine

[-] AskewLord@piefed.social 4 points 13 hours ago

yeah. this is common with road rage incidents. person takes out their latent rage about something else on someone who isn't driving fast enough or something

[-] HuntressHimbo@lemmy.zip 4 points 13 hours ago

Being angry is a very easy to access motivated place. I suspect some of the nastier folks just aren't good at motivating themselves otherwise

[-] Brkdncr@lemmy.world 3 points 13 hours ago

Go ahead and try it with me

[-] Ryoae@piefed.social 2 points 12 hours ago

It's all egotistical and to appease what social insecurity that they have against anyone. Some entitled users, think they're disrupting some status quo they believe that they see, so they think that being an asshole, they're disrupting it and 'making it better'. It's all arbitrary bullshit.

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