At least you can be certain the Americans who are disgusted enough with their country to make the non-trivial effort of uprooting themselves are good folks, and they'll be a net positive for whichever new society they choose to become part of.
True. Side effect is probably that the usa sinks faster with each good person leaving. Still it's hard to blame them for leaving.
the usa sinks faster with each good person leaving
They get what they voted for.
I'm so sick of reading this type of comment. Trump got 49.8% of the vote. That means Harris and 3rd party voters combined were a majority of voters. And so many people are disenfranchised here for BS reasons that I'm sure Trump would have lost if all the people who wanted to vote were able to.
I understand why foreigners would have a lot of hate for America, but please try to focus that hate on our elites, who set the rules for our sham democracy, propagandize the shit out of us via ownership of most of our media, and are responsible for our Imperialist crimes.
The average American gets virtually no say in what our government does to us or to the rest of the world.
Trump got 49.8% of the vote.
That in itself is an harrowing statistic.
"If you count third party candidates who have absolutely no hope of winning, it turns out that Trump didn't win the popular vote in 2024. Sure, more people voted for him than voted for the perfectly normal democratic candidate, but if you add her votes to the votes for the Green party candidate, the Libertarian Party candidate, the Socialism and Liberation party candidate, and RFK Jr. Combined, they all got very slightly more votes than Trump. So, America isn't cooked."
Well...yes and no. If I recall well, little over 60% voted. Slightly more than half for trump. So a bit over 30% of the american voters voted for this shit. Those 40% that not voted.... They could have made a difference but did not bother
I have ~~a friend~~... A person I know, who is dating a good friend of mine. He's from California originally. He convinced my friend to not vote because Kamala had "bad policies" when she was an AG. Blah blah pot. Blah blah guns.. blah blah excuse.
Now he's vocal about Trump's policies, blah blah guns. Blah blah free speech, blah blah ICE.
I'm like mofo do you even hear yourself? She wasn't perfect. She made mistakes... But nope couldn't vote for the woman.
Shits infuriating.
I'm doing my part!
Interesting, one could also make this point for immigrants in/coming to America. Just wish more of us realized that before voting in 2024…even better in 2016.
US citizen who just finished immigrating to Japan 2 days ago. It took 8 months of planning and prep work, at least $50,000, and brought my wife and I to the edges of our sanity for the vast majority of those 8 months.
But we are finally free. Fuck ICE, fuck MAGA, and fuck Trump.
Now you've moved to Japan, with its rising far right politics
Still better than living in a country with an active fascist government.
I mean, at least Japan's fascist government would likely be a functioning one.
Japan's just lagging behind, they recently elected a reaganite/thatcherite to implement austerity policies. Fascism will soon follow, and they're no stranger to it.
I wonder if just like Brits and French, Unitedstaters emigrating elsewhere will call themselves "expats" instead of immigrants.
We, white people of the west, can go anywhere in the world for work, affordability and/or safety without considering ourselves immigrants.
Many years ago I was chatting with someone from Malmö. He was complaining how immigrants were "taking over his city". But when I mentioned that I, a Canadian, would also like to move to Sweden, he told me it would be fine, that he would not consider me "an immigrant" because I'm from the west.
Anyway, I understand why anyone would want to leave. It's just that it seems the vocabulary used is different for different people.
I’m an American immigrant in Germany. It’s infuriating how many Germans complain to me about immigrants, then when hearing that I’m an immigrant, wave their hand and say I’m not like the others. I’m now a German teacher and married to a German, so they’ve always got plausible deniability that it’s about language or integration, but I wasn’t always good at German and I only met my husband after a few years here. It used to be much more fun to push back on why.
Try immigrating to Canada from the US. Nobody here would ever consider me a 'true' immigrant, even though that is quite literally what I am.
I moved for school and never came back. All my family and personal ties were left behind in the states. Except for my family and the annoying need to file taxes every year for some fucking reason, I have no ties left to the US.
But Im white and culturally similar enough that the label 'immigrant' would feel funny to people here. It really is wacky.
that he would not consider me “an immigrant” because I’m from the west.
I've lived in 7 countries - and still living in a foreign country now - and I've heard the same thing from many locals in all the countries I've lived in.
It's not because you're from the West that you'd be an acceptable immigrant, it's because you're white. From the way you're telling the same story I've heard a million times myself, I'm 99% certain you're as white as I am.
We just left the US at the beginning of the year, and so we've been thinking about this sort of thing a lot. The short answer is, before we thought about it, we were referring to ourselves as "expats." But just last week I saw someone online mention that, as a rule, people moving from rich countries are called "expats" while people moving to rich countries are called "immigrants."
That one did my head in a bit. Had to rethink some stuff.
I mean I would if my support system didn’t have serious roots here.
If I was single you bet I would.
But being married with children it’s a lot harder to do that.
If I could realistically leave, I would. I suspect this is true or lotssss of people here who can't just pick up and go
Ive lived in this country for my entire life (33 now) but I'm considering it as well. I'm a black American so it's not like I'm exactly welcomed in most places but I have to try at this point...
They're fleeing
Wish I could leave. This is going to get bad ...
A recent bill in Canada restored Canadian citizenship to thousands of people living abroad. I'm helping my friend move to Canada and giving her a place to live after she claims her citizenship. After she stays here three years, all her children get the same opportunity to claim citizenship. Am I operating an Underground Railroad?!
I feel people tend to forget that Canada almost voted in a Trump clone.
You got to have a way to do it though. You either have to have a job already lined up or you have to be under 30 so you could work some crappy job for 2 years or you have to be independently wealthy. The average Joe working at the Ford factory isn't going to be going anywhere anytime soon.
I would prefer Americans stay in their shitty country and fix it themselves.
Yeah just like those other refugees fleeing repressive regimes across Eastern Europe and the southern hemisphere! Go back and fix the problems yourselves with your zero money or political power and total surveillance states.
/s in case it's not blindingly obvious.
The one's leaving are generally mostly the group of people who have been trying to fix it.
I don't think they owe anyone shit.
If things don't improve, I don't see any other option. I don't think a lot of Americans realize just how bad things are likely to get if there isn't a pretty big change, very soon.
I hate it here and have tried to emigrate to Canada unsuccessfully. They changed their laws to be racist to Indian immigrants but they've basically just fucked up their ability to gain skilled workers.
You need to be rich and privileged to escape by normal means. The regime is making it harder every day. My deepest, most sincere hope is for the complete destruction of the USA federal government. They've ruined my life.
Americans are immigrating to other countries, they just like to call themselves X-Pats® because they think immigrant is a dirty word
Countries like New Zealand are absolutely falling over themselves to bring in trades and medical professionals. I nearly replanted myself there.
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