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[-] SCmSTR 4 points 2 hours ago

Recently I've been considering learning about Warhammer 40k. I think the deep lore is cool and space marines are a neat concept. But apparently there's this big issue about whether or not women can serve as space marines.

So I briefly looked into it and whether or not the issue is sexism based or lore based, and it seems to be somewhere in the middle, but definitely meta perpetuated by casual sexism. It feels very much like this comic.

Also feels like seeing an interesting box, looking in excitedly, realizing what's inside and having my enthusiasm sucked out of the airlock, and just... Letting the box lid close and then walk away.

[-] brognak@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 hour ago

Very, very, iirc, but likely one of the reasons women in 40k aren't space marines is that they are genetically enhanced, as well as have multiple organs implanted. I would assume the whole gene splicing piece is probably the hangup.

Again iirc, they are pseudoclones of their primarchs who are pseudoclones of the big E.

I would assume a trans woman could be a space marine then? They probably would never know they were trans though, the life of males that eventually become space marines aren't exactly ones with enough space for that kinda introspection just a constant struggle to survive in some of the most hellish places in the Imperium.

There are also the Adapteus Sororitas, plenty of women in the Imperial Guard, and honestly brutally bad ass women all over the 40k universe.

[-] hzl@piefed.blahaj.zone 12 points 3 hours ago

If the existence of a gay klingon is the worst day of your life, I can't even begin to explain how good you must have it.

[-] kandoh@reddthat.com 9 points 3 hours ago

Klingons should be like ancient earth warriors.

Totally gay

[-] SCmSTR 1 points 2 hours ago

Any group that idolizes something so much is definitely going to have sexual desires around it too.

[-] militaryintelligence@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago

The Romans only considered it gay if you were a bottom. Romane eunt domus

[-] fakeman_pretendname@feddit.uk 17 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago)

Did we ever see Gowron kiss a girl or talk about his wife? No? Gay. It just wasn't a big deal, so they didn't mention it.

[-] SkaveRat@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 1 hour ago

He was seeking glory(holes)

[-] SarahValentine 47 points 10 hours ago

Gay people: Exist and their relationships are depicted in media alongside straight ones, with the same emphasis

Dumb Motherfuckers: WHY ARE YOU MAKING A BIG DEAL OUT OF PEOPLE BEING GAY? STOP SHOVING IT DOWN OUR THROATS!

[-] djdarren@piefed.social 21 points 9 hours ago

I wish someone would shove some gay down my throat.

[-] paul@lemmy.org 5 points 7 hours ago

It's the free drugs argument all over again, the right wing promising us good times that never actually happen in real life

[-] jtrek@startrek.website 17 points 9 hours ago

It's like that thing where if a meeting has women talking for 20% of the time some men freak out about how it's all women all the time.

They're emotionally keyed up so it feels like a bigger deal, and they're emotionally keyed up so they're not going to rationally assess this. That'd assuming they're acting in good faith to begin with, which is not a given.

[-] SarahValentine 12 points 9 hours ago

I can't tell you how tired I am of the privileged whining about how the onset of equality is discriminating against them.

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[-] BillyClark@piefed.social 5 points 9 hours ago

I was watching an anime this season that unexpectedly to me turned out to have a large gay subplot.All of the characters turned out to be gay men and they're all infatuated with the main character.

I was surprised that I found that entire subplot and its associated scenes so incredibly tedious. It made me wonder whether gay people feel the same way watching straight romances.

[-] Sarmyth@lemmy.world 4 points 7 hours ago

Its been a good season for the gay anime. It hasn't bored me, but it has made me actively contrast and compare them with other anime, the same as you.

[-] SarahValentine 10 points 9 hours ago

I find almost all depictions of romance in fiction to be tedious, if not cringe. For me it's less about the gender or number of participants and more about writers not knowing how to depict an authentic, realistic romance.

That being said, Academy's depiction of Lura and Jett's relationship is just right to me. I was skeptical about the show because all I hear from both sides of the political aisle is how bad it is, but it's surprisingly good.

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[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 52 points 11 hours ago

Wait, you're telling me these SciFi Spartan analogs are GAY?!

When will the Woke end? Next you're going to tell me the Trill are gender fluid!

[-] essell@lemmy.world 34 points 10 hours ago

Is that what those symbiotes are swimming in?

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[-] teft@piefed.social 42 points 11 hours ago

Does someone have an issue with Jay’Den? I think he’s a great klingon. And who says he’s gay? He might be bi/poly like his dads.

Also his sexuality isn’t any more in your face than caleb and tarima and all their smooching.

People will seriously complain about anything won’t they?

[-] bless@lemmy.ml 2 points 4 hours ago

Didn't you know? Everyone is straight, until they're proven gay. And only women are allowed to be bi. /s

[-] cattywampas@lemmy.world 56 points 10 hours ago

I have an issue with him being named Jayden.

[-] Seasm0ke@lemmy.world 1 points 34 minutes ago

I thought it was cheesy too NGL, but he's a great character

[-] teft@piefed.social 16 points 10 hours ago

See, that is a fair critique. Maybe the house of kraag was watching some human millennial shows?

[-] Tippon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 10 hours ago

It must have been another reason, or he would have been named Jeigh-Den 🤷🏼‍♂️

[-] Ftumch@lemmy.today 8 points 8 hours ago

I really couldn't care less about the whole gay aspect.

However, in my personal head-canon Jay-Den's sensitivity and fear of public speaking doesn't quite line up with how I imagine the mind and emotions of a full-blood Klingon would work. I feel like every Klingon would have the instincts and emotions of a predator/hunter and I haven't quite seen that in Jay-Den. To me the character would make more sense if he was only part Klingon, like Alexander.

Then again, who's to say to what extent stereotypical Klingon behaviour is defined culturally as opposed to genetically? I do think it's interesting and refreshing to see a Klingon acting contrary to cultural norms and I do like the character. The only other Klingon character I can recall who wasn't a full-blown warrior is that one scientist in TNG.

[-] FordBeeblebrox@lemmy.world 13 points 8 hours ago

Everyone thinks all Orions are pirates but as Tendi said, “somebody had to build all the starships.”

I’m more inclined to like a Klingon who’s just got a different personality than someone like Worf who never shut the hell up about Klingon tradition since he was always trying to prove he was a warrior.

[-] Catoblepas@piefed.blahaj.zone 2 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

but as Tendi said, “somebody had to build all the starships.”

Relevant comic:

A small, nerdy looking young male Klingon wearing glasses and a button down shirt sits at a table working on a technical drawing on a piece of paper. Two larger, buffer Klingons taunt him: “Hey, nerd!” “Kill any of your enemies today, nerd?” Both shout “Honor! Glory” and leave, and the drawing is revealed to be a warp drive. Some time later the same nerdy Klingon is standing in front of a Bird of Prey. He says, “Finally, I can leave this horrible place.” But before he can board, the two buff Klingons from before return, and shove him out of the way. “Glory! Honor!” They shout as they fly off. The source is whompcomic.com

[-] bless@lemmy.ml 3 points 4 hours ago

I have a feeling that Worf never shut up because he was raised by humans, so he always felt like he had to prove himself as Klingon

[-] Skullgrid@lemmy.world 9 points 7 hours ago

I’m more inclined to like a Klingon who’s just got a different personality than someone like Worf who never shut the hell up about Klingon tradition since he was always trying to prove he was a warrior.

We already had this in the "exchange program" ep of TNG, when Riker goes on the Klingon ship they aren't acting like Worf, especially the "Klingons do not laugh" bullshit.

It's because Worf has a chip on his shoulder because of his human upbringing and his father not dying a warrior's death

[-] teft@piefed.social 10 points 8 hours ago

I feel like every Klingon would have the instincts and emotions of a predator/hunter and I haven’t quite seen that in Jay-Den.

There was that one doctor klingon in Enterprise and also a lawyer klingon in a different episode of Enterprise. Not all klingons are hunters/predators. Some find honor in helping people.

As for Alexander I think he was so timid for a klingon because of his upbringing, not from his 1/4 human part.

[-] Thebeardedsinglemalt@lemmy.world 8 points 8 hours ago

Plus Worf's ancestor the public defender in Undiscovered Country.

[-] Sanctus@anarchist.nexus 11 points 10 hours ago

The only problem I have with Jay'Den is his name sounds like one of those stereotype white names, Jaiden. And its purely because memes have blasted those names out of resonability for me. Okaiden.

[-] GreenBeanMachine@lemmy.world 13 points 11 hours ago

It's a shit show for many other reasons, but not this one.

[-] LurkingLuddite@piefed.social 5 points 8 hours ago

What, you don't like the main character immediately running into and immediately getting crushed on by a princess the moment her species shows up? Or being the main character to come up with a basic idea to appeal to them that a several hundred year old supposedly wise person couldn't? Or that they run formal debates in the future like a dance-off? Or that they often talk like people from the 20th century instead of using more timless and intelligent phrasing?

Or that the show is written more like science-FICTION than SCIENCE-fiction while wearing Trek paint? ... ok ok that one is generic and kinda' applies to all new trek...

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