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Not only did he blow a 30 point lead, but he hands Carney a majority because he can't keep his own party together.
You really pickem, Alberta.
However, I have a real problem with any MP that switches parties, because they were not elected to do that. Jeneroux should be free to switch, but only after winning a by-election.
I would be pissed if a guy I voted for fell in love with the PPC.
I don't have a real issue with floor-crossing, since it's true to the principle that you're supposed to vote for the principle, not the party.
But it's pretty tough to deny that that's simply not the way most people vote.
Yeah here down south it's become a right wing tactic to run as a progressive then switch to fascism. It's really bad for democracy to permit, though the alternative is to encourage people to just stay in their party but not vote like it
It's less "pick", and more "always vote mindlessly for the candidate presented", if you're thinking of Battle River-Crowfoot. And they complained bitterly about the old guy being forced out.
Poilievre is a product of Ontario politics, otherwise.
Poilievre is a product of Ontario politics
He was turfed out of Ontario. He would be gone were it not for Alberta.
Well, there's safe seats elsewhere as well. Saskatchewan is basically the same thing.
Funny how many Conservatives seem happy enough to go the party that is supposedly full of “woke leftists”. Almost as if the Liberals are actually conservatives, have been for a while, and too many of us are too stupid to have seen it.
Glad we nuked the NDP again for this!
The Liberals aren't woke leftists. Nor are they MAGA conservatives. They're just sorta center, increasingly conservative but not particularly extreme. Not my ideal party but compared to what other countries have been electing I'd say it's kind of a relief.
Ya’ll need to pay attention, then. They’re stripping back environmental protections “for the economy” and selling our shit to private companies, laying people off in a time when it’s already incredibly difficult to get jobs, and tried to help Air Canada by butting into the flight attendant strike to make it illegal and we’re all lucky that it didn’t work. “Elbows up” lost steam immediately and then we just fell in with China instead. So much of the good they did the last time was the NDP making them do it while Canadians bitched about the NDP “not doing anything”. They’re not “increasingly conservative” they are just conservatives and they are less and less afraid of showing it each cycle.
I’m so beyond over lazy, relativistic politics. Who the hell cares if they’re better than worst from other countries when we literally have a better party right here?
There are very real reasons why someone would vote for Carney Liberals over Poilievre Conservatives, and indeed liberals over conservatives in general. It's intellectually dishonest and frankly does a disservice to yourself to overlook or dismiss these simply because you don't understand them.
For example, marginal harm matters. Even if both parties serve capital, they’re not identical in courts, rights, climate policy, labor enforcement, etc. Also, time horizons matter. “Build the NDP” is a long-term project; “prevent a worse 4 years” is a short-term project and there is little doubt that Carney is the best person for the short term project (and perhaps the best person for economic restructuring in general). Most people are capable of rationally doing both short term and long term planning and decision making. And also, finally, coalitions in our government are a reality. In Canada, minority/parliament dynamics make “vote + apply pressure” a real lever. Treating all “lesser evil” as pure self-sabotage ignores that. Many Liberal voters can acknowledge the value of the NDP while also acknowledging their shortcomings. Many Liberal voters have voted NDP in the past when it made sense strategically.
And also, finally, coalitions in our government are a reality. In Canada, minority/parliament dynamics make “vote + apply pressure” a real lever.
A-fucking-men to that. It frustrates me to no end that people (conservatives) don't understand that that's precisely how a minority goverment is supposed to function.
You'd watch Pierre Poppinfresh get on his stump about "collusion" between the NDP and the Liberals like it's some kind of conspiracy when in reality it's just how shit gets done. Negotiation and compromise.
The conservative party (at least those that are on the MapleMAGA spectrum) have a binary view of governning; if they're not the ones in power, they would rather not contribute to the government by negotiating and having a hand in shaping policy, because doing so would give the Liberals a "win" and that is anathema to a modern hard-C Conservative.
So instead of actually actively taking part in government, they stump around shouting at the other parties that do.
And how is the NDP supposed be built if we keep not voting for them? Are they supposed to just do a bunch of work for free for a few decades? They basically already have, and they simply got loss of official party status as a reward for that.
The Liberals aren’t just boring, they’re actively harmful. I don’t want Poilievre anywhere near power either but I’m not so naive as to believe that this battle is over, or even progressing, just because we sacrificed our values again. They’ve become very close to the conservatives we were all supposed to be afraid of back in 2021, and their trajectory is that they’re getting worse, not better. If the Liberal voters are so wise, should they not be acutely aware of this fact?
You even admit that coalitions work and, I imagine, understand that the NDP used their leverage to get Canadians things that we needed when the Liberals weren’t going to on their own. They fight for us even when they aren’t in full control. How are they supposed to form a coalition without having any seats?
It’s always “now is not the time” with you lot. It’s cowardly and weak. You’re right that it’s going to take time, so we better start now if we want to see any change in the future. Yes, it will suck for a moment, but do you really believe that the solution is to make endless excuses every single election cycle?
The NDP have a good platform, ticks my boxes, but they seem kinda incompetent to me.
And they constantly in fight and bicker over who gets to ride the highest horse.
Lol dam, straight. The NDP are like 16 year Olds who see the world through rose color glasses.
Instead of doing shit to make more jobs and better jobs, they would rather just make a bigger welfare program.
Andrea horwath , the former leader of ontario, ndp. Current mayor of hamilton. Worst fucking mayor I have ever seen. Blows a bunch of money on tiny home bulshit that flopped like old man dick. Raised property taxes in the city with the highest property tax already. Doesn't seem to understand how everyone does lunch everyday with out having catering
Why? Was it all the stuff they got done when the only power they had was a coalition government? What was it? And Carney getting stuff done is better even though the stuff being done is bad? What about the Liberals and their constant lying, scheming, and persistent disdain for the working class make them a better choice?
Are for real? You cannot honestly be that stupid, can you?
Hey friend I, and many others here, may be sympathetic to the disrespect that the NDP gets, but your hyperpartisan and absolute rejection of other parties (and similarly- framed NDP boosting) comes across poorly.
Do you honestly believe the NDP is the only honest, principled and righteous party in the country? And you believe they would stay that way when they necessarily grew their tent in order to assume power?
I believe, as I’ve stated, that if you claim to be progressive and think that the Liberals will save you, you’re a fucking idiot. I have been abundantly clear.
Labels are stupid, though.
The NDP nuked themselves.
What’d they do to nuke themselves? The only complaints are “they don’t do anything” even they did a lot even just as the other member of a coalition government during the Liberal’s last run, and people also say they aren’t charismatic enough but I never once got the feeling that Trudeau was particulary charismatic and we just elected a boring banker who is even more boring now. Why the double standard all the time? Why do they need to be 100% perfect just to still get thrown aside but the Liberals get to be all kinda of fucked and we still consider them some kind of “default” party?
What’d they do to nuke themselves?
by effectively folding themselves into the Liberal Party and by infighting like incompetant children.
The fuck are you talking about? They formed a coalition so they could represent their constituents and force the Liberal party to be at least somewhat useful. That’s what governments should be and it’s why minority governments are such a good thing. If you hate the Liberals so much that you don’t want the NDP near them then what the hell is your real position trying to claim we shouldn’t be voting for the NDP and then, I imagine, should be voting for the Liberals?
And then they get in trouble for working with the Liberals and they get in trouble for not being a homogenous blob, too? You don’t have a real stance, your brain is fucking mush, and nothing you’re saying is backed by any kind of true critical thought. Embarrassing.
I'm almost afraid to help take their side, because I agree that the NDP did this to themselves with the infighting. Now before you go telling me that my brain is mush, let me try and explain why people voted ABC this last election.
They held on to Singh too long, he wasn't drawing people in to the party. Say what you will but Polievres attacks at him driving a Maserati was successful at having people I know that support NDP questioning why a rich lawyer was running the party.
There are also the other end of the NDP fan spectrum that I know from my time in construction, the types that used to see them as the labour party. They have absolutely lost that title on Ontario to the Conservative party, and have instead been positioned as the "human rights" party. Everyone who used to support the NDP on that front got tired of hearing about Gaza over the election cycle, and didn't feel the NDP should be as vocal about that as they were.
Then there was the TFW/immigration support they went heavy on during the election, when all polling was showing the unpopularity of those systems, and wanting the numbers to be lessened. The NDP used to be against the TFW program, and it was positioned very successfully that they were supporting of it this last election.
You talk about how they formed the coalition to get things to work, I agree, that was the right move to get Pharmacare. But all that did was position the Liberals as a party willing to make those changes, and in the past election cycle, there was little chance voters would give up a party willing to do that for the Conservatives.
Now the fear should be who will lead them next. I watched the NDP leadership debate last night. There aren't really any people running that have charisma and the ability to get people behind their cause. I think we'll see the NDP suffer for another election cycle or two federally.
Ok, so putting aside mush comments, let’s talk about those issues.
Singh was around a long time. Could he have been better? I won’t say no. But why would people who question that turn towards a banker who campaigned under the banner of a center-right party?
Human rights and labour support are the same thing. You cannot have one without the other, they are deeply intertwined. The conservatives only have the branding of labour and only if you let them say it. In Ontario, with Doug Ford, how is a rich nepo baby who commits oodles of white-collar crime, spends too much time trying to be the mayor of Toronto, and not doing good things for the working folk the guy who gets to be considered working class?
I have no comment on the immigration thing.
The only reason I would ever consider that excuse for the coalition being a bad idea is the absolutely embarrassingly high levels of political ignorance we in Canada are capable of.
I’ve gotta watch the debate, it’s on my list of things to do, but honestly can we just drop the whole charisma angle? We’re talking about why progressive voters would vote for the Liberals and you cannot tell me that Carney was Captain Charisma. Even today I just see a horribly beige, empty suit who’s just a puppet for allowing provate companies and the US to run roughshod over us. He’s painfully forgettable, except that we will be feeling all the weakened environmental protections deeply for a very long time, so drop the “charisma” bullshit. Besides, PP was being dweeby enough that my own, historically conservative, father voted directly against him(I’m from Ottawa) and they still got votes. Progressives are supposed to be better than this and if we need someone to show up with purotechnics in order to be energized to do the right thing then that’s beyond sad.
It all comes back to the idea that there is no reason you can give that could not be thrown directly back, and harder, at the Liberals and that I’m speaking directly to all the people who stomped all over our progressive option just to elect an obvious right-wing grifter. The Liberals just need to show up and they get treated like the defauly but the NDP need to do a whole song and dance just to continue to be ignored? And you think that makes sense?
The problem is that with all of your counter points, you keep talking about "reason". This is politics, Doug Ford wouldn't still be in charge if people voted on reason. You keep making the same problem that the NDP has been making in expecting the whole population to use reason and think rationally as well. They don't, and you and the rest of the party leadership need to realize that.
The charisma thing is a real consideration, because the NDP have proven they need that to be able to get ahead of the other two parties. Everyone has spoken to Jacks charisma being the one thing that got the NDP as close as they've been, but now you are telling me that charisma isn't important? Especially when they're trying to rebuild the party? I'm sorry but we will be in complete disagreement on that one. Pierre doesn't need charisma, he's at the head of the other party that won't raise taxes in the masses, so hence not being in the NDPs tough spot.
I tried using the term "Human Rights" because that's what I believe them to be, but a lot of the people I was referring to, would call them "identity politics". I'm sorry to say it, because I'd rather acceptance be the default as well, but people who would otherwise support the NDP didn't this election cycle due to all of the noise around identity politics. I'm also from Ottawa, so I'm sure you know the Lanark county types I'm referring to, I grew up around them.
It's just an uphill battle to rebuild a party, and I'm not sure how the leadership hopefuls will manage to pull it off. My fingers are crossed for them, I've always been an NDP supporter but want to feel like I'm not just throwing my vote in the trash. Even in my "always NDP" riding it went red last time. I just want to see them get back to the basics (hence Ashton being my hopeful til the AI thing)
I'm glad we nuked the NDP. Not for this but for a leftist renewal that was impossible under Jagmeet.
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~~If I'm not mistaken, this makes it a liberal majority doesn't it?
I kind of liked that the Greens held the balance of power so I'm a little disappointed here.~~ nvm seems they'd still be 1 short.
They're still three seats shy, thanks to the resignations of Blair and Freeland, and the Supreme Court overturning Tatiana Auguste's election.
The first two are safe seats, though. OP might get their wish, barring more crossings soon.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/conservative-matt-jeneroux-resigns-9.6970100
As the article points out, this is the same Matt Jeneroux that said he was going to resign last fall. Is he takeback-ing it before committing to an official end date, cancelling the by-election? From the November article:
Jeneroux later clarified that his "exact date of departure will be determined at a later day," but suggested it would be "this spring."
It'll be interesting to hear what he has to say for himself.
"Those conversations [with his family over the holidays] have been honest, difficult and deeply personal at times. But they also led me to reflect on the gravity of the moment that our country is living through — which our prime minister addressed head on in his speech at Davos. For Canada, this is a moment that demands steady leadership, constructive collaboration between all parliamentarians."
"After further reflection with my family, and conversations with colleagues and constituents, I will be continuing to serve in Parliament — and I will be working with Prime Minister Mark Carney as a part of his new government to help build our country’s strength as we face the challenges ahead."
Damn, Carney's legendary speech still changes lives!
Bla bla blah....the windsock wants his cushy government job to last.
Wut? Dude could have just stayed in his job as a conservative MP if all he wanted was to fill a seat and collect a paycheck.
Not in the long term. The party re appointed the loser as head and has ZERO chance if Carney calls an election. He is playing the long game for that full pension.
You think this is about opinion and morality? THESE ARE POLITICIANS.
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