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Oh, good: Discord's age verification rollout has ties to Palantir co-founder and panopticon architect Peter Thiel (www.pcgamer.com)

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[-] Edgarallenpwn@midwest.social 11 points 6 days ago

I was talking with a friend about this when they announced age verification. He seemed pretty optimistic that this would hopefully bring back forums/irc/vent servers or anything self hostable, but I'm not to sure. I'm sure all of us here knew what was going on with this, but I'm sure the average person still doesnt care as much and will continue to trade away privacy for convenience. We all have family and friends who come to when something like this happens, but continue to use services afterwards. Seems like we will continue to be a fun club of like minded people here on fedi stuff with most people staying with what they know.

Sorry for the rant

[-] jaennaet@sopuli.xyz 6 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

He seemed pretty optimistic that this would hopefully bring back forums/irc/vent servers or anything self hostable

He's naive as hell, especially if he thinks that the average person is willing to self-host fuck-all.

This'll drive some of the more privacy-conscious users somewhere else, but some might not have an option depending on what they use it for, and many software projects etc. use Discord for support ("I just won't use that software!" is an idiot's answer to that, because again, you might not have a choice). LGBT+ folks will probably be more spooked, but even they might not have a choice.

The average user won't give a flying fuck

[-] webhead@lemmy.world 4 points 6 days ago

It's not that people won't host them. It's that no one will go there. I've run forums for years and years but people don't care anymore. Hell I don't even care that much. You can host all you want but if no one goes there, you're boned.

[-] Edgarallenpwn@midwest.social 2 points 6 days ago

I think he was half joking and half thinking of communities hes on that are more tech savvy. I'm also a little bit younger than him and interact with people younger than me, and I think theres a disconnect there.

Yes, I miss vent and irc but most people never used text or voice chat until it was centralized and braindead easy to use. I would like to go back to something like that, but most people never used it in the first place (compared to active users now) and probably have no interest in learning/setting it up.

As an early 30 something guy, I don't see most people my age hopping ship to something like Matrix or older comm software because of the learning curve vs Discord. Younger people even less based on my personal experience.

[-] slykethephoxenix@lemmy.ca 1 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

I just finished setting up a Matrix Synapse server with oidc login and Authelia on my Kubernetes cluster.

Apparently it doesn't support video or voice calls out of the box and I have to spin up some other stack that Synapse uses to do the calls.

[-] lord_turtonahugra@europe.pub 8 points 6 days ago

Thank god. I was getting worried for a second

[-] ProdigalFrog@slrpnk.net 146 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

The fascist noose is tightening the world over thanks to proprietary big tech. We have to escape now while we can to open-source alternatives.

Currently the best private (encrypted) and federated Discord alternative is Movim, which I highly recommend people switch to as soon as possible (the Dev is currently working on discord-like channels with rooms).

For a more complete guide to swapping proprietary apps for safe open-source ones, I suggest referring to this post: https://slrpnk.net/post/23012609

[-] thethrilloftime69@feddit.online 47 points 1 week ago

Dude I just spent 10 mins trying to get the thing to let me make an account. It kept saying my username didn't fit the format requirements, but then didn't tell me what the format requirements were.

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[-] matlag@sh.itjust.works 130 points 1 week ago

Peter Thiel is mentioned over 2000 times in the Epstein files, so now you should wonder if the verification is about acquiring adults data or identifying unattended kids usernames...

[-] hector@lemmy.today 34 points 1 week ago

Maybe we should start an international boycott and divestment of every person with any ties to Epstein. Any ties, just because the administration blacked out the details and they tell us they only visited the rape island with their family to [insert non rapey reason:] we should boycott everything and everyone involved.

Not just boycott and divest because it's morally abhorrent, but also because they can't be trusted. Someones, multitple parties, are holding information about them that could ruin them. They can weather that they were friends with Epstein, they can't weather the details being released, pictures and video of them raping kids. Israel has the information, the president's own fixers have it now too. Thiel might have it, (both the prez and thiel now have copies of all the information held by federal agencies that they exported with doge now too, you know it,) and russia might have some of it. Other oligarchs could have it, and the rich and connected could buy the information to use it if they wanted to.

Bottom line we can't trust anyone that's compromised. And while a boycott and divestment of people involved might start out small, it would receive instant buy in from the rest of the world. Any company thiel is involved in needs to be boycotted, divested from. Any government hiring his company needs to lose our support.

[-] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 10 points 1 week ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

gawker couldve been up to something about thiels businesses pratices before they got sued to the grown. He is used being outed as a gay as a pretense to try to shut them down prior to hogans lawsuit.

[-] hector@lemmy.today 7 points 1 week ago

They should've just declared bankruptcy and reformed a new media organization, then pre emptively sued thiel with their own slaap suits.

Why does no one hit these epstein level billionaires back with lawsuits? We should be burying them. We should've been fundraising to sponsor lawsuits for people they have cheated, the president for his contractors he hasn't paid for instance, those that haven't already settled after he sued them after cheating them. Thiel likewise. We could have bake sales, we could sponsor events, like runs, 20 dollars for a local race to go to suing these guys for real perversions of justice. There are a lot of possibilities.

We need our own forums, social media is hooked by these people, so they would shut that stuff down if tried now. We need new federated social media, with clear and fair enforcement of rules, both in the instances and the main forum(s) such as appeals that culminate in jury trials of members of that instance/forum for violations.

Because with a fair enforcement system we would get the exodus from social media and get critical mass, as social media is selling out to the administration more every day, confident that people have no where else to go. In fact homeland security has sent a raft of "administrative subpoenas to social media, fb, twitter, reddit, for details on people critical of ICE, CBP, etc., for personal details on the users, and reddit and the rest said they mostly complied. Not seemingly telling the users so it can be challenged.

Social media gave up, they gave us up. We have no where else to go and will be locked down in a rigged system. Let's make them wrong about that.

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[-] CubitOom@infosec.pub 85 points 1 week ago

Peter Theil is also JD Vance's mentor

[-] Willy@sh.itjust.works 18 points 1 week ago

kinda weird.

[-] frunch@lemmy.world 14 points 1 week ago

I can't think of a much weirder duo, tbh

[-] Willy@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 week ago

what a world we live In. thiel is smart. Vance isn't even named Vance?

[-] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 15 points 1 week ago

you mean his puppet master. just like he hides behind his puppets that control LOTR themed companies.

[-] CreativeCider@feddit.org 47 points 1 week ago

Download Element.io, create an acount, create your space and rooms, invite your friends.

Leave this fucking mess that's called discord

[-] Khrux@ttrpg.network 73 points 1 week ago

And everyone please stop using it as a forum for the love of God. I have no use for discord as a platform, but every damn FOSS program asking me to go there for troubleshooting is insanity.

[-] CreativeCider@feddit.org 22 points 1 week ago

This! It's not a wiki.

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[-] Pratai@piefed.ca 44 points 1 week ago

Watch how many people still keep using this trash.

[-] xtr0n@sh.itjust.works 33 points 1 week ago

People still use fucking Twitter. I hope people will choose alternatives but I’m not holding my breath.

[-] spiderhamster@midwest.social 12 points 1 week ago

For real. I've provided a matrix instance for people to test to see if it suits their needs and to stress test it to make sure it's reliable at the scale we need. So far it's been great for two of us but I'm afraid the rest are all going to join at the same time, the server won't be able to handle the number of people doing voice and video chats and then they'll hate the whole thing. Other thing they might do is join the main Matrix instance and see how slow it is. That's almost worse.

I'm sorry, you didn't ask for all this info. You said a thing and it made me want to get some stuff off my chest. I almost posted more but deleted it. Then I wrote more and deleted that. I'm just gonna stop now but I feel better now that I've typed some things at a stranger on the internet that I agree with. It's almost like a virtual hug. Hope you felt it too :D

Yeah, I've been drinking. It's Friday somewhere.

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[-] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 33 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Fucking obviously duh, of course it does.

Why does anybody give any kind of benefit of doubt to the class of wealthy rapists that run society and most of its institutions?

They're rapists.

They'll rape your money, your data, your attention, your energy, your time, anything they can either groom you into letting them take, or just take it by force.

And/or, if you're 'lucky', they'll just literally rape you physically.

These people are all violent sociopaths and need to be either euthanized or quarantined from society.

Imagine SexPestiny.

There ya go, thats all of these goddamned people.

Machiavellian, manipulative, beyond amoral into just actually evil, not actually very smart, they just happen to have money.

[-] Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world 10 points 1 week ago

Power corrupts. Ultimate power corrupts ultimately. Story as old as time. That's something the people should understand that think you can cure authoritarianism with authoritarianism, as long as you follow the one true holy book.

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[-] marine_mustang@sh.itjust.works 28 points 1 week ago

Abandon ship!

[-] Confused_Emus@lemmy.dbzer0.com 22 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

And listen, I know people harp on this a lot, but it's a company literally named after an orb that lets the most evil force in the world spy on your thoughts.

Minor nitpick from a LotR nerd - that’s not how the Palantíri work. But I suppose that’s not really all that important considering the real topic at hand here.

[-] spiderhamster@midwest.social 2 points 5 days ago

Well now I want to know how it does work. Can you post a wall of text about it? I'll read it.

[-] Confused_Emus@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 5 days ago

The Palantíri were indeed remote seeing stones, so you could still say it's a good name for a company that wants to spy on people. But someone using a palantír could not read the thoughts of others any more than you could read the thoughts of someone you're watching through a camera. At least with a camera you might get sound and be able to eavesdrop on a conversation - the palantíri were seeing stones, they didn't transmit sound. Now they could also transmit the intended thoughts of a person, so two people using the stones could converse in thought, but it was more like talking without words than reading each others minds.

I don't really have much more in the way of a wall of text for this explanation, but if you're curious to know more about the palantíri, I'd recommend checking out their entry on the LotR Wiki.

[-] Korhaka@sopuli.xyz 21 points 1 week ago

Oh nice, it gets worse!

[-] clot27@lemmy.zip 18 points 1 week ago

fuck discord

[-] SendMePhotos@lemmy.world 12 points 1 week ago

Honestly I'll just go back to IRC.

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[-] CarrieForle 10 points 1 week ago

Created an account on Stoat and Matrix. So far I prefer Stoat as it's easier and more intuitive to use.

[-] RelativityRanger@lemmy.ca 8 points 6 days ago

Stoat is centralized and has no e2ee

[-] SleeplessCityLights@programming.dev 3 points 6 days ago

Stoat isn't perfect, but it is the best replacement. It is open source and the developers work on a volunteer basis.

[-] CafeFrog@lemmy.cafe 4 points 6 days ago

Stoat is missing video calls and screen sharing, both of which Movim has while still being federated and encrypted.

[-] SleeplessCityLights@programming.dev 3 points 6 days ago

They have those features coded but can't implement because of infrastructure issues. This is the first time that I have seen Movim talked about other than being mentioned in lists. It also seems to have some barrier to entry, try explaining federation to anyone not in tech. I can't run a community on that. At least people have heard of Matrix if I want to be decentralized. I am open to suggestions for practical solutions.

[-] CafeFrog@lemmy.cafe 3 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

They don't really need to understand the federation to use it in practice, same as here on lemmy, and same as email. Most people don't actually understand how email works or that it's federated, they just know to put the right @domain.com at the end and it works for them. If you attempted to explain how email works to someone, it'd sound really complicated and off-putting to non-techies too, but if they know just enough to make it work, it seems simple.

I'd only explain it to people who are curious enough to ask about it. Otherwise, all anyone would need to do is just direct new users toward the Movim site, create an account (no email required, just a username and password), and bam, they're up and running right in their browser and can start connecting to friends. All they need to know is a username or the name of a group, which is in the exact same format as email so it'll already feel familiar (Person@domain[.]net, or InterestingHobby@domain[.]com).

Since it doesn't need an email and works right in the browser, it's really quick to try. Why not give it a shot with a friend for a bit to see if it could work for you?

[-] CarrieForle 3 points 6 days ago

It's easier to use. Besides Matrix e2ee is opt-out, and lots of public room disabled that.

[-] einlander@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago

Why would I trust these specific old men with my data and to keep kids safe?

[-] Amuletta@lemmy.ca 8 points 1 week ago

No loss. I got talked into joining a Discord group and hated everything about it.

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