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Intelligence sources believe Epstein was running ‘the world’s largest honeytrap operation’ on behalf of the KGB when he procured women for his network of associates.

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[-] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 155 points 2 months ago

We’ve known for about a decade.

Corporate news sewers sold us all out.

[-] Biffsbraincell@lemmy.zip 71 points 2 months ago

Almost like billionaire owned media won't tell the truth about billionaires.

[-] MooseWinooski@lemmy.ca 21 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

If your press is free but it can be owned by a private coproration then it's not a free press.

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[-] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 7 points 2 months ago

Or the media wont tell the truth about the media

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[-] Strider@lemmy.world 77 points 2 months ago
[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 41 points 2 months ago

RawStory: You're not going to guess who is REALLY behind THE PRESIDENT! And they're STILL using their WICKED INFLUENCES to CONTROL HIM!

American Pleb: Is it rich people? Specifically, wealthy overseas special interests with ties to the intelligence services?

RawStory: FUCK! We'll have to FIND SOMETHING even more EXPLOSIVE to try and SHOCK YOU MORE next TIME.

[-] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 12 points 2 months ago

At this point, what can happen? Congress is under the same sticky thumb as Trump, and there aren't enough voters who are engaged enough to even know about it. The firehose of bullshit did exactly what it was supposed to do, and now there's no public will left to keep fighting for freedom and democracy.

[-] bearboiblake@pawb.social 3 points 2 months ago

There is actually a huge amount of public interest and engagement around these issues right now. The ground is very, very ripe for organizing, especially around class lines. The ICE OUT protests and general strikes have demonstrated that there are thousands of people ready to put their bodies on the line for what is right. Those people need to be organized, trained and armed. Then history will take its course.

[-] Rhoeri@piefed.world 7 points 2 months ago

Nope. This is all not just allowable, but seemingly acceptable.

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[-] CreamyJalapenoSauce@piefed.social 68 points 2 months ago

Some small part of me will be pissed for the rest of my life knowing Dale Gribble was absolutely right about everything.

[-] RustyShackleford@piefed.social 39 points 2 months ago

He’s a wise man and an excellent lover, or so I was told.

[-] in_my_honest_opinion@piefed.social 11 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Hey, you still bringin your macaroons to the gun club potluck Dale? It's this Sunday I called Nancy and she said she'd be at John Redcorns' and didn't know what your plans were.

[-] RustyShackleford@piefed.social 23 points 2 months ago

I don’t know who Dale Gribble is, I don’t answer to that name, and frankly it sounds like the kind of identity the government invents so you’ll accidentally admit to owning a leaf blower.

Now purely for the sake of accuracy, if this so-called ‘Dale Gribble’ were bringing macaroons to the gun club potluck, which I am not confirming, then let’s get one thing straight: they are almond-extract macaroons, not vanilla. He switched after 2004. Anyone saying otherwise is either misinformed or working off outdated surveillance notes as we all know ovens run on government-calibrated thermostats.

As for the potluck itself—total psy-op. Food-based compliance exercise. Coconut is a known vector for trust-building. I’ve said this for years.

[-] wuffah@lemmy.world 51 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Weak damaged man, weak damaged president, weak damaged nation.

The office of the president is far too powerful, just as the anti-federalists feared:

Holly Brewer, the Burke Professor of American History at the University of Maryland and the brief's main author, told ABC News that historical writings from key figures, including Alexander Hamilton, James Madison and others as well as the records from the states as they ratified the Constitution explicitly show they were against "another runaway monarchy" after suffering under Great Britain's King George III.

And now, Putin is our defacto president. Disgusting.

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 38 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

The office of the president is far too powerful

The office of the Republican president is far too powerful.

The office of the Democratic president is impotent and feeble.

Putin is our defacto president

It's so funny to see the US intelligence services working overtime for sixteen years to do regime change in Russia. And because they keep fucking it up, the presumption is that we're in Russia's thrall.

Meanwhile, Benjamin Netanyahu takes flights out to DC every few years to give joint chamber speeches at our own capital building. He gives his minions in our legislature explicit marching orders, while his affiliates in AIPAC drop billions of dollars into primary and national congressional races, influence peddle to affect judicial appointments, and lobby states to outlaw criticism of the Israeli state, and we're just like "Oh yeah, this is normal, nothing to see here".

[-] pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 20 points 2 months ago

Trump didn't nail up a pic of him and natanyahu on the white house wall a few weeks ago, but he did putin. Besides they can all be in bed together, which is probably the most likely.

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 12 points 2 months ago

Trump didn’t nail up a pic of him and natanyahu on the white house wall a few weeks ago

Trump shaking hands with Netanyahu doesn't Own The Libs. It's one of those issues Chuck Schumer races Mitch McConnell and Mike Johnson to applaud him on.

Besides they can all be in bed together

I don't think for a second that anyone believes Democrats are in bed with Putin. And the urgency to take the fight to Russia is a major dividing line between MAGA Republicans and Neocon leftovers. (One that Trump was on the other side of as late as 2019)

It would be safer to say Netayahu is in bed with Putin, pulling strings on his behalf, than that the Trump GOP is aligned with Putin directly and not just playing Ukraine and Russia off against one another for their own benefit.

[-] pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 10 points 2 months ago

Besides they can all be in bed together

I mean Putin, Natanyahu and Trump are in bed together.

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 7 points 2 months ago

I think the situation is more complex than that. These are three expansionist imperial powers in a very loose coalition, perfectly happy to stab the other two in the back if it suits them.

The idea that Putin "owns" Trump is American media fiction. It's not Devin Nunes sitting in the VP chair and its not Aleksandr Dugin operating as his Homeland Security Advisor. The folks that have their hooks deepest into Trump are 100% American.

[-] pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 months ago
[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Also research Cambridge Analytica

Cambridge Analytica Ltd. (CA), previously known as SCL USA, was a British political consulting firm that came to prominence through the Facebook–Cambridge Analytica data scandal. It was founded in 2013, as a subsidiary of the private intelligence company and self-described "global election management agency" SCL Group by long-time SCL executives Nigel Oakes, Alexander Nix and Alexander Oakes, with Nix as CEO. Cambridge Analytica was hired by a variety of political actors, including the Trinidadian government in 2010 and the 2016 presidential campaigns of Ted Cruz and Donald Trump.

Nigel John Oakes (born July 1962) is a British businessman, and the founder and CEO of Behavioural Dynamics Institute and SCL Group

Alexander James Ashburner Nix (born 1 May 1975) is a British businessman who was the former CEO of Cambridge Analytica

Alexander Waddington Oakes (born November 1968) is a British businessman, and the co-founder and an executive of Behavioural Dynamics Institute and SCL Group

So, I'm seeing a country's name come up over and over again. But it's not Russia.

The firm maintained offices in London, New York City, and Washington, D.C.

Cambridge Analytica (SCL USA) was incorporated in January 2013 with its registered office being in Westferry Circus, London and consisting of just one staff member, director and CEO Alexander Nix (also appointed in January 2015).[13] Nix was also the director of nine similar companies sharing the same registered offices in London, including Firecrest technologies, Emerdata and six SCL Group companies including "SCL elections limited".[14] Nigel Oakes, known as the former boyfriend of Lady Helen Windsor, had founded the predecessor SCL Group in the 1990s, and in 2005 Oakes established SCL Group together with his brother Alexander Oakes and Alexander Nix; SCL Group was the parent company of Cambridge Analytica.[15] Former Conservative minister and MP Sir Geoffrey Pattie was the founding chairman of SCL; Lord Ivar Mountbatten also joined Oakes as a director of the company.[12] As a result of the Facebook–Cambridge Analytica data scandal, Nix was removed as CEO and replaced by Julian Wheatland before the company closed.[16] Several of the company's executives were Old Etonians.

Yeah, I'm seeing a whole lot of Brits show up in this article.

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[-] Mulligrubs@lemmy.world 14 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

They also fought tooth and nail against fiat currency/central banking...

So of course we have the FED, the king of all central banking!

They also fought tooth and nail against the federal government being a moral arbiter with too much power....

So of course we now have a goliath super surveillance state working hand in hand with megachurches and companies!

They also fought tooth and nail against military/police power abuse...

So of course now we now have asset forfeiture and immunity to prosecution!

etc., etc.

The problem with ignoring the constitution for decades is you can't decide it counts now and try to enforce it...

[-] whereIsTamara@lemmy.org 3 points 2 months ago

Are you willing to admit Trump is a pedophile yet?

[-] crusa187@lemmy.ml 39 points 2 months ago

It’s Israel. Just because Epstein shared intel with Russia doesn’t make this a KGB operation. Wild how desperate the news media is to draw attention away from Israel and Mossad. They are very obviously still pulling the strings today.

[-] ragebutt@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 2 months ago

Ghislaines dad was literally Mossad and the day it was revealed he was Mossad he died for some reason but yeah it’s spoooooky Russia and not the genocidal zionists that are destabilizing the world

[-] Jollyllama@lemmy.world 34 points 2 months ago

Is Trump owned by a foreign power? Maybe.

Is Trump owned by the billionaire class? Definitely.

This is a stupid article selling a sensationalist story when the truth is playing out everyday with shady crypto deals and ballroom "donations".

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[-] baka 25 points 2 months ago

IDF,* not kgb..

[-] Eddbopkins@lemmy.world 25 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

so not only is trump responsible for child abuse but it was a sanctioned KGB operation to put children in harms way and make them essentially into prostitutes. this world wasn't created by a god or any other supernatural being. You humans are evil filthy animals that need another extinction level event. but who knows the actual truth, you? me? definitely not anyone who can actually make things better.

[-] duelistsage@sh.itjust.works 11 points 2 months ago

Future generations are laughing at how collectively stupid we are.

[-] Typhoon@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 months ago

The next few generations will, but then we'll forget our past again and repeat it.

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[-] ShaggySnacks@lemmy.myserv.one 23 points 2 months ago

‘the world’s largest honeytrap operation’

So that's what we are calling sex trafficking children rings now?

[-] DrivebyHaiku@lemmy.ca 22 points 2 months ago

No, honeytrap operations are specifically a intelligence operation where assets (manipulatable agents in a target business or country) are obtained by gaining blackmail through documentation of embarrassing or illicit sexual encounters.

Sometimes a trafficking ring is just for pedos to have sex ...and while that is really fucking horrible it isn't a honeytrap.

[-] mic_check_one_two@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 2 months ago

It’s both, but the honey trap provides both motivation for the traffickers and it means everyone involved should be considered compromised by foreign states. If it were only a pedo ring, it would be bad but that’s pretty much where the conspiracy would stop.

But with a verified honey trap, it needs to be assumed that the named people are now (and have been) acting on behalf of a hostile foreign nation who has mountains of blackmail on them. And reframing those implicated peoples’ motivations from “they’re just seeking power for themselves” to “they’re aiding a hostile foreign nation” shifts things from “selfish and power-hungry” to outright “high treason”.

[-] FE80@lemmy.world 19 points 2 months ago
[-] deHaga@feddit.uk 10 points 2 months ago

Ghislaine's father was a triple agent for MI6, KGB, and Mossad.

Epstein would have sold anything to the highest bidder, it's in Russia's interest to see America divided.

Israel just wants to ensure the status quo of overwhelming military support from the US continues

[-] Vrag@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago

I'm starting to think daily mail works for israel.

[-] Mostly_Gristle@lemmy.world 13 points 2 months ago

Boy, you sure don't hear the words "deeply researched" used in reference to the Daily Mail very often.

[-] Maeve@kbin.earth 12 points 2 months ago

He repeatedly seeks an audience with Putin, but wouldn’t an agent have a direct line? He certainly had a direct line with Ehud Barak. They literally traveled the globe together making deals for Israel. Regarding Russia Epstein seems to be more of an opportunist. There’s an email where they are looking into an opportunity to support Ilya Ponomarev, who wanted to lead an “uprising against Putin”. Epstein was not a Russian agent. He was an Israeli agent.

https://altmedia.house/post/189117/610441

[-] ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 10 points 2 months ago

My guess is everyone was using Epstein: Russia, Israel, USA, maybe more. He connected, blackmailed and sold people to all of them. It so happened that Russia wanted Trump and got super lucky with their purchase. I really don't think Putin predicted that Trump is going to be president. No one expected this until he won.

Israel most probably go their share of useful materials. On Clinton maybe? Gates? Saudis? This we will probably never know.

[-] foofiepie@lemmy.world 9 points 2 months ago

Not from the US: How reliable/credible is this publication? Rawstory?

Just checking sources don’t pounce on me.

[-] Substance_P@lemmy.world 8 points 2 months ago

Well if you look at the landscape of modern media, it’s pretty clear that the line between "just the facts" reporting and passionate activism has gotten really blurry. Sites like Raw Story tend to lean into the tabloid or "fast-paced" side of digital news for sure.

But when you talk about Thom Hartmann, you’re looking at a completely different animal. He isn't just a talking head; he’s a incredibly prolific author (American) who has spent decades building a reputation on "advocacy journalism"—which is basically reporting with a clear moral or political goal in mind.

[-] foofiepie@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago

Ok so the publication is mixed, but this particular author has integrity and established credibility.

[-] Substance_P@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago

That's the way I feel, although others might feel differently. However, from my point of view, if he's referencing this and putting it up there as journalism, then I would think it holds some weight.

[-] quick_snail@feddit.nl 5 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Daily Mail is trash

[-] Hayduke@lemmy.world 9 points 2 months ago

Doesn’t matter. There is no longer any accountability in our government. It would take both Democrats controlling congress and getting their spineless shit together to start taking action. I could see the former happening, but I predict that they will pooch the latter, and most critical, step in the process because they are the reigning champions of snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. The US has failed. Even if the dems somehow manage to step up, the flaws in the system are terminal. The wealthy won. The blood spilled is of the 99.9% and not those who drove the country off the cliff.

[-] IAmYouButYouDontKnowYet@reddthat.com 5 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

There really isn't government anymore. It's completely clear that nations are just tools for more powerful entities to utilize. It's almost comical watching people still thinking everything is NOT completely outdated.

This woman digs into it pretty good. Takes a few minutes to get to it. https://youtu.be/0NMVKovsILo

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[-] EtAl@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 2 months ago

Said it before. I'll say it again. Read American Kompromat by Craig Unger. There is a string of circumstantial evidence that Trump has been a Russian asset since at least 1986. None of it is new or conspiratorial. Unger just put a bunch of publicly known facts into the book.

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