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[-] Stefan_S_from_H@piefed.zip 184 points 3 months ago

But never announce it on social media. The purists will fight you.

[-] not_IO 44 points 3 months ago

vegans as well as linux users are nowhere near as outspoken and petty as they are made out to be. personally i find jokes about that insufferable and ubiquitous. The ratio of jokes about this to actually people like this existing is like 100:1. my theory is, They get so much shit because them just existing reminds people of their own shortcommings, instead of applauding people doing the effort to pioneer a better world these people decide to make a snarky remark and continue being lazy and annoying with these jokes.

[-] protist@mander.xyz 31 points 3 months ago

I know quite a few vegans in my life who are amazing, nonjudgmental people. On Lemmy, I've been called a "murderer" and a "carnist" for mentioning I'm reducing my meat consumption.

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[-] Stefan_S_from_H@piefed.zip 15 points 3 months ago

I speak from personal experience. I once tried talking about reducing meat consumption and got attacked. Never again.

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[-] Korhaka@sopuli.xyz 39 points 3 months ago

The purists will hate you, and those that hate the purists will also hate you.

[-] MirrorGiraffe@piefed.social 21 points 3 months ago

I'm a purist but I appreciate everyone doing their best. Everyone has different challenges and priorities and in the end a bacontarian is much better than eating meat all the time, according to me at least.

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[-] ruuster13@lemmy.zip 134 points 3 months ago

Perfect is the enemy of good.

[-] lasta@piefed.world 48 points 3 months ago

Being overly pushy and judgmental towards people who want to make a change in the right direction is a great way to repel them from your cause. I prefer to welcome them and offer them the proper resources to get started.

It’s entirely possible that once the people who want to go vegan but aren’t ready to give up bacon/cheese/that one other food get used to a vegan diet and substitutions, they will eventually be ready to let go of those last few products on their own.

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[-] DiabolicalBird@lemmy.ca 43 points 3 months ago

Gatekeepers are the fucking worst. Every time I start reading up on something there's always a handful of miserable condescending shitheads being nasty to people because they're 'not 'doing it right.'

Most vegan threads I come across usually has some of these, insulting anyone that's not 100% on board even if they're trying to get into it. Audiophiles are pretty much on the same level as hardcore vegans when it comes to being obnoxious (recently saw someone ask why the op was bothering setting up a music system if they didn't have thousands of dollars to spare, for example). Linux users on support threads is a coin flip of whether they'll be helpful or insulting.

Let people ease into things, stop demanding perfection right out of the gates!

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[-] Pencilnoob@lemmy.world 42 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

I am seeing more and more folks go veg simply because the price, and that's great! Build a culture of veg meals and normalize the epic curries, chillis, soups, stews, spreads, and tofu / seitan/mushroom dishes

I really like Derek Sarno's YouTube channel for this reason. I feel very welcome watching his content because he doesn't browbeat folks who aren't fully vegan, he just presents an epic mountain of some of the most mouth watering vegan food I've ever seen.

Instead of purity tests to keep folks out, we need more people like Derek who hold the door open for everyone, so they can smell the amazing food cooking inside.

[-] HK65@sopuli.xyz 19 points 3 months ago

Can't upvite this enough. I'm not really vegetarian, but I love the fact that it is gaining traction, since it's just so much better food. If there is a vegan option of anything, I'll go for that.

The best burger I've ever eaten had a giant mushroom as the main thing in it, sterotypically served by a trans girl at a street food vendor in the gay quarter of Amsterdam.

It literally ruined burgers for me, I'm still chasing that high. I think if you want to be a vegan activist, learn to cook well and open a restaurant. That's how they got me.

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[-] gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de 31 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

This also applies to renewable energy btw. Some people seem to think we can't start with the energy transition before we've figured it all out, including storage for the winter and at night.

Let's just build solar panels and wind mills and see how far we can go with that :D much more productive that way.

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[-] AdrianTheFrog@lemmy.world 28 points 3 months ago
[-] Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz 28 points 3 months ago

Vegan restaurants and tiktok chefs do infinitely more for veganism than posters.

[-] madrabeagdubh@piefed.social 27 points 3 months ago

Because that's plant-based plus bacon. Veganism is an ethos, not a diet.

[-] Whats_your_reasoning@lemmy.world 23 points 3 months ago

Silly downvoters. You're absolutely right. Veganism has diet as a component, but at its core is a desire to limit harm to animals in every possible aspect.

If you eat only plants/mushrooms, but still buy leather shoes, down pillows, or wool socks - that's not veganism, that's just following a plant-based diet. The two concepts overlap, but they are distinct from each other.

[-] zalgotext@sh.itjust.works 17 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

This sort of pedantry also annoys and turns people away from the cause though. Typically when people say they're vegan, they're talking about their diet, and it's easy to infer that based on context. I really hope you don't go around browbeating self-professed vegans by going "nuh uh, you're a liar, that's a leather strap I see on your watch"

[-] Whats_your_reasoning@lemmy.world 16 points 3 months ago

Lol, of course not. What would be the point of that? I can acknowledge someone being gifted a leather watch, or continuing to wear old leather shoes they bought from before they went vegan, as a vegan still trying their best.

But pointing out a verbal distinction on a chat board like Lemmy isn't the same as calling people out in-person. The distinction matters, and this is an appropriate place to make that point. Harassing people for their choices is an entirely different scenario.

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[-] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 17 points 3 months ago

So when you go to a restaurant and they say "do you have any dietary restrictions", you can reply "I'm Catholic" and they should guess what that means?

Vegan is an overloaded word that is both a diet and an ethos. Don't try and restrict the language. You will not win.

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[-] xtools@programming.dev 26 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

i always wanted to quit smoking, but couldn't drop the first cigarette with my morning coffee. it took me way too long to make peace with that single cigarette, turns out i can easily forgoe the other 19 I've been smoking every day

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[-] dreadbeef@lemmy.dbzer0.com 26 points 3 months ago

When the vegetarian option becomes cheaper and tastes just as good though, continuing to eat the meat version is an explicit choice.

[-] pahlimur@lemmy.world 17 points 3 months ago

I think there is also a cooking skills gap no one acknowledges. For example tofu is way different than chicken/beef/pork. Scares a lot of people away because poorly cooked tofu is 100x worse than poorly cooked meat.

Our family eats about half vegetarian because the cost difference is still minimal and variety is fun. Animals are also way more evil than most people realize. Cows are basically the only one that won't eat it's friend when they are bored. Not saying it justifies earing them, but I've never understood why vegans put animals on a pedestal.

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[-] sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml 25 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

This is such a conundrum for me because I absolutely support people eating less animals and animal produced products but veganism is not a diet it is a philisophy. You are not vegan if you do this and you should not call yourself vegan. Dilution of the term IS harmful. At its core veganism is the belief that animals should not be exploited for anything under any circumstances. They have every right to this earth as we do and it is our responsibility to insure their lives are not harmed by us.

[-] Knoxvomica@lemmy.ca 15 points 3 months ago

But the point of this is literally don't let perfect be the enemy of good. There's a rather large subset of the population that hears "oh no animals products at all? Forget that." And they commit to no animal product reduction at all. So then the question is harm no animals, or harm less animals?

[-] sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml 16 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

I absolutely support people eating less animals and animal produced products

Just don't call it veganism because that is not what it is

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[-] mathemachristian 14 points 3 months ago

trying to wean myself of genocide one bit at a time

the issue here is that it frames veganism as someone trying to become better by denying themselves treats, when in reality it's someone becoming less of a monster by not denying others the right to life.

vegans are not good people because they're vegans, veganism is only about not committing evil. It's literally the absolute minimum. Carnists are evil, but it is so normalized people don't see it that way.

vegans are not denying themselves cheese, we simply are not denying a baby the right to live.

The focus in veganism, like with every liberation movement, should be on the oppressed and not the treatlerites trying to be a bit less brutal. And that's my issue with this tweet. Babystepping is for libs and people don't get a pat on the back for no longer being part of the cow genocide. Either you have solidarity with the oppressed, in which case you'd be horrified at the thought of eating bacon, or you're still looking at yourself and what you're ""sacrificing"". Centering once again the humans when its about non-human animal liberation.

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[-] 9point6@lemmy.world 24 points 3 months ago

I eat more veggies and less meat than ever

That's down to iterative changes.

If the only option was a hard-line cold-turkey (lol) approach, I'd very likely have never changed a thing

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[-] anticapitalistpenguin@lemmy.world 23 points 3 months ago

Anything worth doing is worth doing poorly

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[-] sudoer777@lemmy.ml 22 points 3 months ago

An issue with boycotts in general is that people are constantly talking about what not to do and not what to do alternatively or the specifics on how to get there. Eventually it makes you realize that literally anything you do will cause someone to get genocided or abused somewhere, and when they way out isn't clear or straightforward, now you're overwhelmed with thousands of things you hate that you do and have to figure out how to change on your own one by one, and those changes result in new problems that overwhelm you or turn out to also be unethical and you have to change them yet again. And in the end you hate yourself because your change attempts made you miserable while you're still doing doing harmful things and other people hate you because you're still causing genocides and the rest think you're an idiot or a hypocrite for trying at all, while meanwhile everyone else around you is just enjoying themselves and not giving a fuck, and you'll always be a terrible person anyways so you might as well give up.

I think if more people instead of saying "don't do this" instead said "do this instead" when they talked about what to boycott and why, that would help with harm reduction a lot more.

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[-] jambudz@lemmy.zip 19 points 3 months ago

The vegans mostly hate this. Which is probably why no one cares about outspoken vegans

[-] spacesatan@leminal.space 20 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

'I'm anti rape except on tuesdays. The anti rape people hate this'

Yeah wonder why.

If you recognize something is morally wrong it's fucking weird to carve out arbitrary exceptions.

*Oh weird, the people who don't think it's wrong to hurt animals are upset by the idea that vegans see hurting animals as wrong. If you actually think something is morally wrong you would find the hypocrisy to be offensive.

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[-] nibbler@discuss.tchncs.de 14 points 3 months ago

the problem is not the veganism, but the outspokenism. no one cares about outspoken anybodies.

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[-] Agent641@lemmy.world 19 points 3 months ago

Vegans will hate me for this but I only eat animals that I don't find particularly cute.

I don't eat pig or cow meat because they are beautiful, intelligent animals with great personalities. I do eat lamb because I've worked on sheep farms and they are dumb assholes. I eat chicken because they are basically vicious dinosaurs who would eat me if our sizes were reversed.

I've yet to get first hand experience with live sausages in their natural environment so I proceed with caution on a case by case basis.

[-] Nighed@feddit.uk 18 points 3 months ago

Uh, I have bad news on where sausages come from....

[-] Agent641@lemmy.world 25 points 3 months ago
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[-] Solumbran@lemmy.world 19 points 3 months ago

"I'm against animal abuse, except when I like their taste"

[-] Gloomy@mander.xyz 39 points 3 months ago

Not at all what the meme is implying. It's more like: "I am against animal abuse but i have been conditioned to normalise eating animals from childhood onwards. Since i can't let go of one specific product or product group i will continue to eat it, maybe until further down the line, while otherwise cutting out animal products from my life."

Reducing your animal product use is something that helps animals. Period. Are you interested in the welfare of animals or in feeling better about yourself because you feel morally pure?

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[-] Maxxie@piefed.blahaj.zone 21 points 3 months ago

ye shaming people always works

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[-] BestBouclettes@jlai.lu 17 points 3 months ago

I get where you're coming from, but perfect is the enemy of good enough. You can't expect everyone to go vegan, but you can encourage people to give up as many animal products as possible.

That would already be a massive step in the right direction

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[-] SethTaylor@lemmy.world 17 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Moderation is my favorite word

I am very fun at parties

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[-] luciferofastora@feddit.org 17 points 3 months ago

FUCK YES to oat milk. I love oat milk. I also love cheese and haven't really found a good substitute yet, but oat milk is the GOAT milk.

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[-] Bluewing@lemmy.world 15 points 3 months ago

Unless someone is a on a serious carnivore diet, then we probably eat "vegan" more than we realize.

I had an English muffin with some homemade wild raspberry jam and a banana with my tea this morning. I have already planned an Indian lentil curry and rice for supper tonight. I don't know what I'm having for dinner today, but I could have a peanut butter and jelly sandwich I suppose.

A whole day without meat. Not that I actually considered doing that because "vegan." But because that's what sounds good to eat today. Tomorrow, maybe some smoked oyster stuffed venison loin chops for supper perhaps or some eggs and bacon for breakfast.

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[-] sem@piefed.blahaj.zone 15 points 3 months ago

To this day I've stabilized around vegetarian + the occasional pepperoni pizza.

I've been more, I've been less. Maybe the next step is cutting out some more dairy somehow.

[-] Tyrq@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 3 months ago

I find oat milk is just way better than regular milk anyhow

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