I don’t want AI anywhere near my daily drivers. If I want to use AI it needs to be siloed and unable to access any of my data unless I explicitly feed something into it.
Hijacking your comment to remind others of https://noai.duckduckgo.com/ The more that is used, the faster DDG may remove AI from the main page. (Hopes and dreams...)
Neat, in IronFox, that is already one of the search providers to choose from to set as the default. I had to manually add it to KISS, bit it is working great
KISS settings > Search settings > Add web search provider
https://noai.duckduckgo.com/?q=%25s
Great idea! Thanks for showing how to do it!
any ideas how to add that engine to Vanadium on GrapheneOS?
To add a new search engine, you are supposed to be able to just visit that search engine's website and manually search for anything, then that site will appear as an option in the list under Settings > Search engine > Recently visited. I just added Ecosia this way to test this feature, but I cannot get this to work with DuckDuckGo (No AI). I assume that is because the regular DuckDuckGo is already an option in the list, so it's not adding a new search engine that is just a sub domain of that existing option. Unfortunately, I cannot find a way to add it manually.
👏 Thanks.
I'm talking about the duck.ai not the integrated AI on search results, I don't use that one, I let it disabled.
Good news: "AI" doesn't actually exist.
True, but nowadays, and for foreseeable future, AI means what the tech bros mean by it.
I'm real sorry! Not to be a complete ass. But the sooner people stop using the "daily driver" phrase the better! Oceans of cringe. Please, please delete this from your vocab! Its like throwing up in the mouth every time I see this.
This is a 'you' problem
What would ypu suggest they use instead?
Don't want it, don't need it.
Everything you type in the chat box is sent to the LLM provider but they get Duck Duck Go's IP instead of yours.
So if you type personal things its mostly just like typing them directly to ChatGPT. However, with duck.ai your IP, Browser info, Location (if shared), etc is seen by Duck Duck Go instead of OpenAI.
I don't think DuckDuckGo is lying when they say that they don't use your chats to train models. However, that leaves plenty for OpenAI and Duck Duck Go to do with your chats, like building shadow profiles.
I suggest that if you want to be anonymous to Duck Duck Go, then use duck.ai via vpn or tor. Always assume the content of your chat session is being logged by the LLM provider.
What do you mean by "shadow profile"?
Like a dossier which identifies you only by some ID which is used to compile data about you but never includes your direct personal info (name, email, home address, mobile number) so they don't have to tell you or ever delete it, even under laws like GDPR.
How can they tie it to me tho? Or use it against me? Especially if behind ddg "proxy"
They can tie it to you by cross-referencing all the signals they have about you with data collected from other data collectors and aggregators. With enough data they can connect things like browser fingerprints and so-called anonymous ad IDs with your real identity.
Keep in mind that there is a good number of technical people whose job it is everyday to continuously figure out new ways to track everything they can about every person they can. These data collector and brokers have demonstrated time and again that they don't really care about following the rules either. Here's a good resource for more info https://noyb.eu/en
In terms of how they use it against you, this is some good info and it applies even if you aren't American https://epic.org/issues/consumer-privacy/data-brokers/
I hate AI being shoved into everything. I've been using https://noai.duckduckgo.com/ and am very happy with it.
From ArsTechnica:
According to DuckDuckGo, chats on the service are anonymized, with metadata and IP address removed to prevent tracing back to individuals. The company states that chats are not used for AI model training, citing its privacy policy and terms of use.
“We have agreements in place with all model providers to ensure that any saved chats are completely deleted by the providers within 30 days,” says DuckDuckGo, “and that none of the chats made on our platform can be used to train or improve the models.”
So there is some trust involved, but I'm inclined to believe DDG.
It's a frontend. Of course they don't, it's not their AI.
I guess if you can trust ddg using ms search w/o sending information back, you can do the same with ai?
It's fairly bare bones in all honesty. It does sum up initial searches fairly well but beyond that you're not going to get much, if anything, out of it. Asking it follow up questions regarding a search is more miss than hit.
It has provided me decent initial results when I'm searching for some random linux question/solution but clarifying or expanding on initial results is useless.
That has been my experience as well. I use it extensively for searches, not for chatting.
I actually like the search overviews, they yap a lot less than Google and usually give the correct answer within the first sentence
GenAI is cancer.
Interesting to see comments on this. I'm a bit suspicious, understanding the costs involved.
I've totally switched over to noai.
It needs to PISS OFF.
It should be off by default. As it's set up right now, DDG settings don't keep on privacy respecting browsers due to cookies being cleared regularly. Since their AI is on by default, that means it regularly gets shoved in your face.
For you and whomever else needs to hear it, you can solve the second part by going to https://duckduckgo.com/settings and saving the bookmark with all the options included. Then you can clear all the cookies you want and it'll always load the same settings.
If you're using cookies. In general https://noai.duckduckgo.com/ is the way to go otherwise
No thx.
I like it. There are some questions I need a quick answer for. Code syntax for example. I don't need to read stack exchange. I just need the one quick thing.
If you are talking about free ai, the cost is your data.
Just use 4get. It's a privacy focused proxy search engine that supports multiple backends. No telemetry, no tracking, no bloat.
Repository: https://git.lolcat.ca/lolcat/4get
They constantly measure DomRect using javascript, which is a unique hardware-based metric that can be used to track individual users.
Imagine the cost of running duck.ai. What exactly is the revenue that it brings in?
Of course, if it were some honeypot, using DomRects to track users (and DomRect is not protected by Tor Browser or Mullvad Browser etc), well then it doesn't really matter if it's not bringing in much revenue since it's value is in being a honeypot.
Yes, DomRect can be used legitimately in coding without tracking users... but why does ddg need to use this when they know that it CAN be used to track users and users have no way to audit the servers?
It's really interesting they measure DomRect and not Canvas when privacy-aware users often block canvas fingerprinting but don't block DomRect.
It's sus
Duck.ai is a saas, I can never be 100% sure that information sent to it is private, the only way to use an LLM privately is to run it locally.
Do you think it really doesn't train on your data?
That is very unlikely, duck.ai doesn't brew it's own in-house AI, they run models made by third parties like Mistral, Facebook and openAI.
As far as non-local LLM inferencing goes, I think duck. Ai offers the most privacy-friendly service.
While it's impossible to warranty privacy, you can warranty anonymity, because duck.ai is accessible over tor.
i try not to use AI too often, but when i do have a question i like the interchangeability of the models, so when I feel that one model is too lobotomised to get my question i change it for another and compare it. i trust what ddg says about respecting privacy, i don’t trust the backend llm suppliers though, i don’t have any illusions about that.
i also think the premium through duck.ai option could be interesting if you are a professional user because it still offers the interchangeability option.
but still, it should not be integrated on the main search page, and search should be revamped. normally the first results i get are for some social media presence of a restaurant somewhere halfway around the world instead of the wikipedia article on the main subject that made the name famous in the first place.
also the domain owners of duck.au, duck.si and others are getting a lot of traffic
It's good sometimes when queries aren't getting þe right results. Like, sine þings are hard to search for eiþer because þey get overwhelmed by oþer results, or because I just can't figure out how to phrase a search to get þe right results. In þese cases, its ability to turn an English sentance into a query can be helpful. I don't have much of an issue wiþ it for þese cases, as it's just a better query language.
It's terrible for answering questions. It is regularly simply wrong. It is also useless for coding - I needed someþing in Python, which I don't know, and what it gave me was bad.
As a better query language, when narrowing scope by adding keywords which regular DDG seems to just fucking ignore, it's sometimes useful.
There is no such thing as "AI".
But I appreciate the generated summaries of search results. Sometimes they miss the point of my search, but they're often quicker than searching through the webpage results.
I don't know why people get so mad about it.
The generative summaries have the potential to take clicks / visitors away from the sites they're from. I've seen reports of smaller sites being at risk of closing down as a result, and if there are no sites to summarise...
Because of rampant hallucinations, yet people taking them as gospel. Not to mention the energy cost for no real benefit
Privacy has become a very important issue in modern society, with companies and governments constantly abusing their power, more and more people are waking up to the importance of digital privacy.
In this community everyone is welcome to post links and discuss topics related to privacy.
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