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[-] SrTobi@feddit.de 49 points 2 years ago

The last point is just depressing. It's now 12 years ago that we started the Energiewende... It could have been the perfect opportunity to get away from oil, gas, nuclear and coal, before anyone was really talking about it. But what has come of it? We still have ridiculous laws, hindering solar and wind. grid upgrades are blocked. Villages are bulldozed for coal. Energy companies got billions because of "lost revenue". Super dependency on the east, which backfired immediately. The highest energy prices in the world for average people (!), also to subsidize our export industry. And the best thing: no one is blaming the government who mismanaged it. No. Everyone blames the people who wanted and want a greener environment.

And for what? 19%?

[-] bernieecclestoned@sh.itjust.works 22 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

And gave your solar industry to China. German Q Cells were smashing it.

For whatever reason, western countries did not see solar module production technology as a protected category. So when Chinese companies decided to enter the market, it was remarkably easy. They just went ahead and bought the most advanced solar cell manufacturing equipment available. Most of it from Germany. Replacing expensive German workers with cheaper Chinese ones gave Chinese companies a real price advantage - in some cases as high as 20%.

https://www.asianometry.com/p/how-china-won-the-solar-industry

[-] Craftkorb@feddit.de 12 points 2 years ago

I hate that part so much. We paid a ton for the development until very recently work the EEG. And then some asshole just sells it to China for a quick buck and (then chancellor) Merkel doesn't give a fuck. 16 years of disgrace.

[-] tryptaminev@feddit.de 12 points 2 years ago

the German solar industry was sacrificed to protect the access of german car manufacturers to the chinese markets.

So 5 years of BMW and VW and Audi profits were put before centuries of one of the leading future industries.

[-] geissi@feddit.de 2 points 2 years ago

It's so wild that they just casually threw the domestic solar industry under the bus but kept subsidizing coal because of "jobs".

[-] lars@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago

participation in social networks

Germans have a slight preference for facebook.eu over facebook.de?

[-] bernieecclestoned@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

German numbers sad :(

[-] barsoap@lemm.ee 12 points 2 years ago

Now do the whole thing since Brexit. It's easy to grow when you reduce yourself to a developing country beforehand.

Did you know that Slovenia has a higher life expectancy than the UK?.

[-] bernieecclestoned@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Reality disagrees with you

GDP per capita...

Slovenia has a population of one of the UK's smaller cities, not really a great comparison

Plenty of areas with a higher life expectancy

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/healthandsocialcare/healthandlifeexpectancies/bulletins/lifeexpectancyforlocalareasoftheuk/between2001to2003and2018to2020

[-] dumdum666@kbin.social 11 points 2 years ago

GDP is generally a bad measure for a healthy and happy population. Just look at the US - they have a way higher GDP per capita on average. That doesn’t mean that the majority of the US is happy and/or healthy.

[-] bernieecclestoned@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago

It's the measure that everyone said brexit would affect though...productivity, specifically GDP per capita hit due to loss of comparative advantage...

Covid supply chain disruption made that irrelevant is my guess

[-] dumdum666@kbin.social 1 points 2 years ago

Why are you bringing this wildly off topic stuff even up? Be bitter somewhere else.

[-] bernieecclestoned@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 years ago

Username checks out 😀

[-] barsoap@lemm.ee 9 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

That's not what I asked for but ok bud.

This is what you're looking for: The Pandemic hit you way harder than it should have because it was a double whammy, now you're rebounding faster that's not surprising but you're still quite a bit behind to where you should be.

[-] bernieecclestoned@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Lol, that model is bullshit

These estimates are based on the ‘doppelgänger’ method, in which an algorithm selects countries whose economic performance closely matches the UK’s before Brexit

How many times has it been revised? First they took out the USA part because of Trump, then they added in a bit of New Zealand's economy. It's a joke.

It certainly cannot be said to be factual. It's a synthetic counter factual, otherwise known as bullshit.

[-] barsoap@lemm.ee 5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

How many times has it been revised? First they took out the USA part because of Trump, then they added in a bit of New Zealand’s economy. It’s a joke.

No. That's how the method works: You create a country that's actually comparable. If a country changes, it may cease to be comparable.

What's your method, though? Comparing the UK to the rest of the EU? Our economic structure doesn't even begin to be comparable! Same goes for comparisons against "near peers" countries being similarly wealthy doesn't mean that they're structured equivalently.

[-] bernieecclestoned@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

That's not what that model does. It picks pieces of different economies and puts them together like Frankenstein's monster and then they chop a leg off because it no longer fits the narrative.

Are you really saying comparing the 6 biggest economies in Europe is wrong? Lol

It's absurd to take that as proof of anything versus comparison with similar local economies 👇

[-] MrMakabar@slrpnk.net 9 points 2 years ago

And the German GDP per capita is still above that of the UK ever since the Brexit vote. That is besides Germany being much more connect with Russia in terms of trade, which was undoubtly a massive misstake and caused a massive energy crisis hurting Covid recovery.

[-] bernieecclestoned@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

So far... the China fallout hasn't even started yet

[-] MrMakabar@slrpnk.net 1 points 2 years ago

Hard to say who is in a worse position, if that happens. For Germany it would be less exports to China and problems for the German car makers, which might cause problems.

For the UK it would be the close financial ties and all the money China has invested into the UK. That has been twice as much as for Germany and via Hong Kong the ties are much closer in that sector. The ties are insanly close, to the point that China owns part of the new Hinkley point nuclear plant and the electricity grid of London is owned by a Hong Kong based companies for example. Anyway we clearly do not know, if this is really a problem or just a smart way of taking some money from the Chinese.

Basicly it boils down to how and what happens in and with China. In case of an invasion of Taiwan everybody is going to suffer, thats for sure. If it is just a financial crisis, it is hard to say who ends up with the bad deals. Last time we saw some intressting stuff for sure.

[-] bernieecclestoned@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Hard to say who is in a worse position

Misery loves company! 😃

Yes, and the UK is awash with Russian money as well. An awful lot of both Chinese and Russian is in property.

Europe narrowly avoided a terrible media deal that the commission tried to push through, it would have meant allowing Chinese ownership of EU media companies

https://www.politico.eu/article/eu-trade-deal-china-media-war-industry-soft-power/

It's a tricky balance to be engaged with an adversary.

[-] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 8 points 2 years ago

Nobody asked

[-] bernieecclestoned@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago

And yet here you are

[-] Tarte@kbin.social 6 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

How is „economy“ measured here? Because this is not simply the relative GDP change as one might expect.

[-] bernieecclestoned@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

GDP Q4 2019 to Q2 2023

https://archive.ph/8Ii7d

[-] Tarte@kbin.social 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Found it out myself. Your values are the ones adjusted for inflation. Weirdly, this is not mentioned in the article you linked.

[-] bernieecclestoned@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Yeah, no one uses nominal GDP unless it's comparing something else affected by inflation like debt

[-] hitmyspot@aussie.zone 5 points 2 years ago

Inflation adjusted, what’s it look like?

[-] bernieecclestoned@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 years ago

Real GDP is already inflation adjusted

[-] hitmyspot@aussie.zone 3 points 2 years ago

Cool, didn’t realise it was real gdp. That’s better than expected then. However, pretty petty thing to spout out when celebrating another country. Little Britain indeed.

[-] bernieecclestoned@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

No, Germany is too big, and has an outsized influence in Europe.

I'm anti federalist, Germany is a federation, I have nothing against the people.

Just my opinion, but countries are just concepts. Dangerous ones, as proven in history and today

[-] PonyOfWar@pawb.social 6 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Just my opinion, but countries are just concepts. Dangerous ones.

Right, so why are you here desparately trying to prove that our country is doing so much worse than yours? On a post where that's not even a relevant discussion no less?

[-] bernieecclestoned@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Not desperate to prove anything, facts are facts.

The post had numbers about Germany in the image. I just added some more.

It's not my fault if you get butt hurt because I don't think celebrating the unity is a good idea.

Same as older Western Germans didn't want to discuss Nazis in positions of power during the sixties, including the chancellor, because the economy was doing so well. Thankfully young German students revolted and demanded their removal. Only when it got into the media was action taken. Truth is truth.

https://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/from-dictatorship-to-democracy-the-role-ex-nazis-played-in-early-west-germany-a-810207.html

And the numbers are so bad now because you hitched your economy to cheap Russian energy and Chinese exports.

Makes you lot laughing at brexit for 7 years quite ironic. I think there's a word for it, schadenfreude?

[-] PonyOfWar@pawb.social 9 points 2 years ago

I think there’s a word for it, schadenfreude?

Another good one is "Minderwertigkeitskomplex", a deep-seated feeling of inferiority that leads to desperate attempts to compensate by belittling others.

[-] bernieecclestoned@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 years ago

Is there one for being thin skinned about reality?

[-] hitmyspot@aussie.zone 2 points 2 years ago

British

[-] Syntha@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Makes you lot laughing at brexit for 7 years quite ironic.

It's quite telling that Brits constantly bring this up because it's just not well substantiated. The UK isn't that present in German media when you compare it to countries like France, USA, China or even Poland. You guys seem to think a lot more about us than we do about you.

[-] Blaze@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 2 years ago

Happy national day!

[-] abbadon420@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago

Hooray! It's the day of the German Republic, or as we like to call it, "reichstag"!

[-] CephalonKappa@discuss.tchncs.de 8 points 2 years ago

No one does that??

[-] abbadon420@lemm.ee 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

No, it's a joke. "Reichstag" is the name of the building where the German parlement is seated. I always thought it sounded like the name of a national holiday, because the German word for day is tag. Similarly, the name of the German parlement is "bundestag".

[-] Paul_279@feddit.de 1 points 2 years ago

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