In before Whataboutism comments stating things Harris would have done equally or worse to excuse not preventing Trump during the election.
But let's be clear: if you didn't prevent Trump during the election you are accountable for what is happening now.
Harris would have prevented Trump if she actually ran a campaign in line with her voters values.
I choose to blame the ones that are actually in charge of the party. Blaming nameless voters is scapegoating. The party needs to change, we need to demand it instead of giving them an easy excuse.
It was literally Hitler or not Hitler. That should've been the only campaign they needed to run. We all saw what happened during his first term and we all knew what he was planning for his second.
That should've been all the information needed and anyone who ignored that information is directly to blame for all of this.
Yup, and they literally still fucked it up lol
It should have been that, but Harris was campaigning heavily to the center and the center leaning right.
Fuck, they basically muzzled Tim Walz during the campaign. Did you notice how he was no longer allowed to call MAGA weird? I sure did.
Then there was the fact that Harris had to run on Biden's full platform. I know that she personally disagreed with parts, the unpopular parts. She was never really allowed to say it during the campaign.
But really, I mostly blame that little shit Crooks, you either get it right, or you don't do it at all. Trump used that survival to galvanize his base, and that's what an election needs to be in this divided world. Don't worry about the other side. We live in different realities and, they don't often intersect. You have to focus completely on your own base as much as possible. They're the one who will actually vote, if you can get them to care enough to do so.
Harris didn't do that. And that's why she lost.
It's not scapegoating to state the simple fact that when people make a choice, they are responsible for it. Like the millions who voted for Trump, Stein, or stayed the fuck home. You can blame shitty campaigns too but I'm sick and tired of hearing how the voters are fucking blameless. Fuck that. Trump wouldn't have ever even been on the ballot if our populace wasn't dumber than a fucking brick. I am going to blame these dipshits and evil fucks for their actions and I absolutely should blame them.
It's not scapegoating to state the simple fact that when people make a choice, they are responsible for it.
Like letting off your war criminals and putting them on pedestals? Seems like an snowball effect to allow your presidents to do anything they please?
Seems like you're more responsible than you think for the state of things.
Try to make your presidents liable for their actions next time so you don't have to whine about it on the internet when you don't get your way?
We're sick and tired of it too.
if she actually ran a campaign in line with her voters values.
Yes. She was impure. Therefore we had to cast her out.
I won't pat someone on the back who willingly covered themselves in filth and drove everyone away.
How hard is it to just tell Israel to fuck off. They couldn't even pretend for a few months. Not to mention everything else (billionaires, healthcare, etc). Their whole campaign was basically a shrug with a trite "well what else are you going to do, we are all you have suckers".
And the administration that didn’t put a single one of these people in jail? Even after the fascists released a document that was basically titled “We’re Gonna Do a Fascism in 2025”?
Might that administration be… a little more accountable than the voters they failed to convince?
assigning blame is one thing and i dont think it matters at this point tbh but anyone who is firmly in the both parties/candidates are the same isnt fully there mentally. They can both be bad mind you but bad and fuck-off-terrible-WWIII-ARMAGEDDON are not the same MO.
Biden should've dropped out sooner. The DNC should've had an election. Absolute refusal of any responsibility will only ensure nothing changes.
There's a pivotal moment that could've changed history (on this front).
In Biden's final State of the Union address, there were rumors circulating about his mental deterioration. A lot of insiders were reporting similar experiences. These were often dismissed, because they sound exactly like attacks from his opponents, particularly on the right.
Then the address happened. Biden was entirely present. He was passionate, he was articulate. He showed no signs of what people were claiming. Clearly, he had a very good day. The criticisms and reports stopped, although he skipped a number of traditional public appearances.
Fast forward a few months to the debate, and he had a bad night. Everything that people had been warning about, was on full display. To make it worse, Trump's dementia was having a good day.
What would've happened if the SOTU had happened on a bad day?
Trump's dementia wasn't having a good day. He said his normal amount of stupid and incoherent things. We had accepted this from him as the dumb, angry, incoherent candidate. But when the smart, mostly articulate candidate had a performance that blew Trump's normal incoherence out of the water, it was too much to ignore.
Why do people forget that Biden told everyone he would be a one term/transitional President during his campaign. If theres a moment, then its the moment Joe Biden decided to go against his own pre-Presidential calculations and try to hold onto power for a second term.
Justifications aside, he should have allowed the democratic process to follow through naturally (as much as is possible in that byzantine system). And fully supported the Democratic party's choice as an elder Statesman and soon to be Presidential Alumni who qould be remembered for his commitment to democracy over power, rather than power over democracy.
The Democratic Party is not coming to save us.
No one is coming to save us.
We can be saved only by doing the work to take care of each other, to protect each other, and to relate to each other as members of community.
Hell is debating with neoliberal losers forever about what could have been.
I'm glad your hell is just people pointing out that this entire administation owes their entire ability to sic paramilitary warmongering fascists on the populace to your apathy and inability to unravel the simplest logical quandaries.
Meanwhile, people are being rounded up by the modern SS and citizens are being executed in the street. Why don't you just delete your comment, and then stay home, and do nothing, just like the last election.
For me, it's living in a failed country, suffering through the daily consequences of decades of neoliberalism (aka soft imperialism), followed by fascism. It's having to argue for basic civil rights with most of the people in my life only to have a whole other group of people argue that their actions brought fascism now to avoid worse fascism later. Wow, what a brilliant plan. Let's hear more about how accelerating our problems is going to fix them. We could've had 4 more years of neoliberalism and continued to let the progressive caucus grow. But sure, death and destruction is better.. Somehow..
I hate this line of thinking because it literally doesn't change anything for anybody.
You might as well put up a meme that says, "If a Asteroid hit Donald, we'd be in this reality." With space ships and gundams.
I think it’s more a warning to people for next time. If they ever get a chance to vote again maybe they should think about the impact of not voting.
Could we maybe warn to party to actually represent us instead?
So it’s ok for fascists to win because the only viable other party doesnt represent you?
What the hell is wrong with people.
You've got that the wrong way around. It's not okay for one party to be shit just because the other wants to destroy the world.
Agree with you. But the last election was not the time to discuss that. The time was before by voting in local elections, or after by again voting in local elections.
You had a chance to make things better with Harris. But with Trump you might never be able to vote again.
This line of reasoning means it's never time to discuss that as long as one side is pushing facism. Who I vote for park commissioner isn't going to change the way this country is run.
People with your political instincts are why we are fighting the what we are today. You continue to fail to learn that you can't shame people into voting no matter how hard you try.
She promised to continue what Biden was doing, which included continuing to run ICE, so no, not "not a single one."
Such stupid binary thinking to think ICE under her or Biden is the same as ICE under Trump.
Just to clarify because the upvote ratio seems a bit too high.
Both parties are locking you in a system where your only decision is who's boots to lick. Both are fascist and America is the biggest terrorist state maybe in the history of humanity.
Hey let's not forget that Musk and Trump and others have all but admitted to stealing the election with voter machine fraud.
My daughter dates a rich nepo baby. He loves Trump because he's made a lot of money. Fascism is great for the rich.
Sorry about your daughter.
The ice thing would still be happening for sure. She made that clear during her campaign. The difference is when a dem does wrong libs stop showing up to the protests that we organize and tell us "atleast its not trump!" "stop dividing the left" etc.
Under a Democrat, ICE would stick a rainbow flag on their vests next to the POLICE patches.
I didn't realise Revd Dr. Robert Evans had moved onto the more palatable title of Ronald Reagan III.
Yeah I would have much preferred Maduro being conveniently couped instead of captured.
Everything automatically improves when the CIA gets told to be more clandestine and the president can just deny all involvement, along with her diehard supporters who insist she would have also saved Gaza.
LOL if you think Kamala wouldn't have also taken an "America First" policy approach you're deluding yourself. It just would have been less overt. It's always been America First Fuck Everyone Else. Always.
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