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[-] apotheotic@beehaw.org 120 points 1 year ago

International sentiment generally negative about country actively committing genocide.

More at 11.

Jokes aside - yeah? Of course there's propaganda about China. I would wager its hard to find a big international power that doesn't have some level of propaganda being spread about it by the other big international powers. But between the propaganda you still find a bunch of real reasons to have negative views toward China's leadership and actions.

  • Uyghur genocide (ongoing)
  • authoritarian rule with huge censorship of outside media I really don't need to go on
[-] falsem@kbin.social 26 points 1 year ago

Can we add bellicose relations with a lot of their neighbors over the expansionist goals they're pushing?

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[-] DaDaDrood@feddit.nl 72 points 1 year ago

I read this ‘article’. There are zero references towards the so called ‘China Bashing’. If it is so rampant, how hard can it be to just link to a few mainstream offenders? It alludes towards a deliberate bashing, once again without any links or merit. I am fully aware that news is hardly unbiased but come on, this is ridiculous.

[-] sludge@beehaw.org 13 points 1 year ago

like, just off the top of my head there's that whole "spy balloon" thing.

[-] cnnrduncan@beehaw.org 20 points 1 year ago

A Chinese corporation openly tested those spy balloons over my country a decade ago (allegedly just for monitoring livestock), why is it so unbelievable that they'd use a more polished version on their biggest geopolitical rival?

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[-] zephyreks@lemmy.ml 11 points 1 year ago

Have you been following media recently or have you been living under a rock?

[-] GammaGames@beehaw.org 52 points 1 year ago

That’s not a defense. Opinion pieces can be fine, but if you’re claiming that something is off the charts you should probably have some charts (or any points of data) to prove the claim.

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[-] DaDaDrood@feddit.nl 45 points 1 year ago

I have been following media intensively. I am not saying that news about China is unbiased in the western media. I am calling out the lack of any sources in this weak ‘article’

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[-] raccoona_nongrata@beehaw.org 71 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I'm not anti-China, I genuinely wish the best for the people of China. I'm anti-CCP.

I don't think China will really be able to engage or cooperate with a world community in any meaningful way until the CCP is out of the picture. There's simply zero trust there from anyone.

[-] averyminya@beehaw.org 23 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

This is an important difference that always gets left out in these articles.

Of course people will be anti-China when the CCP is making the movies (edit, I meant "moves" but movies works too haha). It's one thing to ask for companies to make a version of media specifically for your country, but using your weight to make that the version? That is an insanely big red flag when Tencent has roots in everything and also goes by the whim of the party.

On the flip side, my friend from college moved to China a couple years after we graduated and he's been doing really, really well. He loves it there. Ironically he ended up getting a job with Tencent and is a pretty big part of their last released Synced. So I'm glad he's doing well, but it's also been weird talking about certain topics with him. It was also weird when I was asking about how he was talking with me and he's like "oh I just have to get on a VPN and etc so I that's why I'm not around much, but it's cool lol." Kinda freaky when I also just see the articles about a company getting fined for using a VPN. I'm sure he'll be fine but it's still slightly worrying.

Which ultimately kind of sums up the situation. My friend loved his experience in China so much so that he moved back there seemingly permanently and set himself up with a nice life with the culture seeming to be a big part of that. And then there's the actions of the government. Many of the same criticisms can absolutely be held toward the U.S. regarding housing and towards a not-so-small portion our political actions, however it seems the difference is that we don't have a knitted corporate government quite yet. I dunno, the sway of Apple, MS, whoever else just doesn't have the same weight as the CCP and Tencent. That generally seems to be peoples issue

[-] raccoona_nongrata@beehaw.org 16 points 1 year ago

Yes, and this is why the experience of individuals can't be taken as an indication of whether there is or isn't a problem.

China is a huge country with a long history and cultures of its own, the people there are like anywhere else mainly concerned with just living their day to day life. But we learned from the middle of the last century that people can be living a relatively normal life directly adjacent to some of the most heinous crimes against humanity our species has ever seen.

There's a lot of value that the people of China could contribute, culturally and economically, if they were in a position to actually freely and openly engage with the rest of the world in an honest way. Some incredible cinema, for example, came out of China prior to the new age of censorship and hyper-aggressive information control brought in by Xi. I just wish that the CCP was out of the picture so that could happen again, China has so much more to offer.

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[-] magnetosphere@kbin.social 57 points 1 year ago

Everyday people need to remember the difference between the general Chinese population and the CCP. The Chinese people are wonderful. The CCP is horrific, and working tirelessly to create their own version of hell.

[-] Rin@lemm.ee 21 points 1 year ago

I second this. I love Chinese people and culture, hell, I'm even learning Chinese to be able to communicate with my Chinese gf's parents, however CCP ≠ Chinese people.

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[-] GroteStreet@aussie.zone 48 points 1 year ago

This article is prime "SelfAwareWolves" material...

Countering this in international media by offering more balanced views for a global audience is near impossible as censorship is rife. There almost seems to be a global compact to control the narrative, a propaganda war powered by today’s digital technology.

[-] Silverseren@kbin.social 47 points 1 year ago

By that, you mean criticism of China's known actions that are detrimental to their neighboring countries and the world?

If you want to call that "anti-China", then sure, but it's an appropriate reason to be, just as appropriate as being "anti-Russia".

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[-] Banzai51@midwest.social 45 points 1 year ago

China: you can't talk bad about us!!!!

[-] wahming@monyet.cc 43 points 1 year ago

Just gonna drop an article about Naomi Wu, famous maker, as a counterpoint to all those who keep claiming free speech exists in China.

https://www.hackingbutlegal.com/p/naomi-wu-and-the-silence-that-speaks-volumes

[-] Pat@kbin.run 30 points 1 year ago

It's almost like if they want people to not hate their country they should stop being a corrupt authoritarian hellhole

[-] alyaza@beehaw.org 12 points 1 year ago

to be clear: the "they" here is the chinese government rather than the chinese people, correct? your comment is a little ambiguous

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[-] furrowsofar@beehaw.org 25 points 1 year ago

China is the one county that could just tell Russia to get out of Ukraine. Same with North Korea. Just look at who they hang out with and you know quite a lot.

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[-] insurgenRat@beehaw.org 22 points 1 year ago

While it is true that insane propaganda is off the charts, for example in my own country Australia we're chaining ourselves to the fading star of the usa and the UK militarily despite having:

  • different trade interests
  • different geopolitical interests
  • different cultural interests

all while the usa government tries it's hardest to undermine our economic policy, erase our culture, and distort our politics towards their own demended lines.

There is zero evidence the chinese government does not want to do the same. They have interfered in our media, our education systems, there has been stupid petty trade squabbles with both "sides" using us for their own ends.

When chinese diplomats speak to our media, even in excruciatingly fair interviews, the pattern is the same slimey deny deny deny and legal quibble that usa diplomats engage in. Their media is insanely critical of Australian life too.

There are no good guys in this power struggle and looking for one is childish thinking.

Even this article refuses to address the notion that the chinese government has ever conducted itself in a condemnable manner.

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