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[-] Deceptichum@quokk.au 15 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Alright people, that's a wrap. I'm going to be handing out a few bans, if you think I've banned you wrongly (or missed someone) feel free to message as I'm only human and may make some mistakes trying to navigate this dumpster fire of a comments section.

Edit: Done, I think? Some comment removal is not working, or maybe taking a bit of time in the background. Please report anything you see if you've come across it.

[-] jaschen306@sh.itjust.works 115 points 1 month ago

My old boss says she rather risk her life riding a weemo taxi than take a Uber.

When asked why, she said that an Uber driver dropped her off at home, after about 15 minutes, then Uber driver was still messaging her. She ignored it. After 15 minutes later, the APP asked her if anything is wrong because the driver was still parked at her front door.

She called the police and they showed up 30 minutes later and made him leave. Dude was at her house messaging her for 45 minutes.

Ya, I'm a dude and I would also choose bear.

[-] faythofdragons@slrpnk.net 83 points 1 month ago

It's also wild to me that I've been told multiple times by experienced outdoorsmen that the most dangerous animal you can encounter in the woods is another human, but that's entirely forgotten as soon as the culture war revs up.

[-] Quill7513@slrpnk.net 39 points 1 month ago

yup. all kinds of people in this thread equating "encountering a bear" to "being mauled by a bear"

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[-] Jimbo@pawb.social 90 points 1 month ago

Oh god mgtow. That whole thing is a walking red flag

[-] PhobosAnomaly@feddit.uk 46 points 1 month ago

I generally dislike writing off people (or groups or things) based on a soundbite or a hashtag - I'd much rather evaluate for myself whether there's any decent and informative point to the content.

#mgtow though... The very presence of it makes one cringe, and I can't think of an occasion when it hasn't descended into a dumpster fire from there.

I suppose it's nice of them to flag their own content so well really.

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[-] state_electrician@discuss.tchncs.de 32 points 1 month ago

For anybody else who hadn't heard about this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Men_Going_Their_Own_Way

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[-] Cruel@programming.dev 40 points 1 month ago

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[-] ByteJunk@lemmy.world 75 points 1 month ago

What the actual fuck.

You took their reply and twisted its meaning completely then you put it in quotes as if somebody had actually said that.

And then you complain about fallacies and brain-dead discourse? Oh the sweet, sweet irony...

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[-] CouldntCareBear@sh.itjust.works 66 points 1 month ago

You're reinterpreting the comment and doing so in a way that misses the crux of their argument.

They are commenting on the cartoon being a vengeance fantasy against women. Which it is.

[-] cuerdo@lemmy.world 33 points 1 month ago

Why you would put in quotes your own interpretation of what they said?

I think you are guiltier of this internet braindead than Carter, you are simplifying and twisting their message, when the concept is quite clear.

You are talking about fallacies while committing fallacies, just to obscure the real situation here.

The original cartoon is misogynistic and the reply is pointing that out. It is as simple as that.

[-] ideonek@piefed.social 19 points 1 month ago

You're telling that he don't have a grin on his face? You go to so much effort to faint the ignorance about the obvious "you get what youn deserved" tone of the work.

You're better than this. Or at the very least you should strive to be.

[-] Honytawk@feddit.nl 18 points 1 month ago

A bear wouldn't have made such a post in the first place. So already men is worse.

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[-] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 37 points 1 month ago

Jeez. These comments.

[-] Deceptichum@quokk.au 47 points 1 month ago

Yeah, I'm shocked at the level of misogyny on Lemmy. I swear shit was never this bad even a few months ago? Maybe I was being ignorant.

[-] Gloomy@mander.xyz 29 points 1 month ago

Na, never has been different. Look up any thread that even mildly implies men could do something wrong and it's only hate from there on.

I wonder why tough. Lemmy is fairly left, pro LGBTQI+, etc. but in regards to anything mildly feminist you get... well, this kind of lovely thread.

[-] Deceptichum@quokk.au 26 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I feel bad for note paying attention to it sooner. I think I'm going to have to post more of this sort of content all over the place to piss of the sexists.

Sadly brocialism is a thing amongst some leftists.

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[-] Quill7513@slrpnk.net 18 points 1 month ago

the root of most hate, and i mean like… DEEP hate isn't any active emotion towards another person but instead an unwillingness to audit our blindspots. what i see a lot on lemmy is people who are steeped in Internet Culture who assume that they are progressive, forward thinking, and have it all figured out. i try to come into discussions with the mindset that i'm guilty of this, too, and that i'm a work in progress.

there's also a deep seated fundamental misunderstanding of what feminism is here that matches very directly to what you would get used to seeing on reddit. it's kind of funny, because it demonstrates that the Read Theory bros theories don't consider critical marxist analysis of gender to be part of the theory that needs to be read, which is frustrating, bordering on upsetting. anytime i recommend someone read bell hooks' Feminism is For Everyone i get antsy about how long in will take for someone who's let conservatives tell them what feminism is to tell me that's a propaganda rag and that bell hooks doesn't know what feminism is

it's like solidarity amongst the lower classes only matters up until the point when you have to start working against the oldest arbitrary division that's been used to keep us from organizing

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[-] MirthfulAlembic@lemmy.world 25 points 1 month ago

I don't understand why this triggers so many men. I think a lot of them just have absolutely no experience talking with women or reading about their interactions with men. Just a total lack of curiosity or interest in what life is like for women.

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[-] Shave_MyBeever@lemmy.world 24 points 1 month ago

Men in general have no idea what women have to deal with [from men]. And so many men are fragile and want to turn it around and make themselves the victims. If you are having a hard time befriending women, then you need to look deeper into your actions and how they might be perceived by someone who has to deal with unprovoked messaging, calling, touching, staring, following, etc. Men are the reason women travel in groups to the restroom, or that there is such a thing as a drink cover in a bar, or that there are women only driver options for ride services, etc. etc. You just need to realize that even if the actual percentage of men who are creepers is low, it doesn't mean that the number of interactions women have with them is not. All it takes is one scary moment for a woman to be put on the defensive for good.

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[-] Dvixen@lemmy.world 31 points 1 month ago

A bear's intentions are obvious.

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[-] FiniteBanjo@feddit.online 30 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

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[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 94 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

anybody who chooses Bear is CHOOSING THE BEAR

But she's getting both. Big brown bear and insufferably smug, demonstrably useless, petty and vindictive man.

Bears are not kind to humans in their territory

Bears generally leave you alone unless you've got food and they're hungry... at which point, just give them your food and you'll be fine. Despite millions of humans living in historical bear territory, you get only 2-5 actual attacks reported per year.

Men can't make this claim.

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[-] TowardsTheFuture@lemmy.zip 40 points 1 month ago

Too lazy to look through my post history but iirc men are MUCH more likely to kill someone than a bear, adjusted for population. You can search through it if you’d like. Men are much more violent than bears.

[-] FiniteBanjo@feddit.online 21 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

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[-] TowardsTheFuture@lemmy.zip 33 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I don’t think you understand what adjusted for population means. Bears kill like 2.6 people a year.

Humans kill ~11,000 times as many, and have 100 times the population. So humans are 110x more likely to kill you than a bear. (Note this is humans, not men. Men are responsible for 87.5% of known murders, but 50% of the population.) Adjusting for this, men are ~145 to 200x more likely to kill a human than a bear (like a quarter of murders are unknown so I gave it a wide range) You also have to take into account humans are generally bound by society and thus most human interaction won’t be as dangerous where as it’s not like a bears gonna be like “uh oh there are cameras here or other people might see me kill this person” so like… yeah you can’t perfectly account for everything but uh, point being bears really aren’t that dangerous if you see one alone in the woods.

Also sorry if I didn’t provide links and math might be slightly whatever I was taking and shit and honestly don’t care that much.

Edit: and before you try and say anything else please note this is me being nice and only looking at literal murder. Ignoring assault and sexual assault and etc, which all bear attacks are about 35 a year total and… yeah human numbers are uh, MUCH higher.

[-] usualsuspect191@lemmy.ca 22 points 1 month ago

This ignores exposure time though which is a huge factor, and makes the comparison disingenuous.

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[-] TaterTot@piefed.social 22 points 1 month ago

This week on another episode of "Missing the Forest for the Trees"!

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[-] Flickerby@lemmy.zip 29 points 1 month ago

This argument is so dumb. Women are assuming the random man will rape them just because (what?) and men are assuming the women would rather get mauled to death by a bear (likely) then what I think they're thinking is that they can befriend it or something? It is mildly insulting when someone says to your face "I'd rather be mauled to death than spend a second alone with you". I've never come across this situation in real life however so I think this is a nonsense internet argument intended to drum up division and distract us from making guillotines.

[-] reliv3@lemmy.world 46 points 1 month ago

You are misunderstanding what women are implying with this meme. It is about probability not pre-determined outcomes. Women are more fearful of the man because they believe there is more chance of being harmed by a random man than a random bear. This neither implies every man will threaten her nor every bear will maul her.

[-] Flickerby@lemmy.zip 19 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Just entertaining this is true, you DO realize how horrible it is to hear "I think you're more dangerous than a random bear just for existing"? And this isn't supposed to give men lasting mental health issues and extreme social anxiety?

[-] reliv3@lemmy.world 47 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I can't say how it's going to affect all men, but for me (who is a man) that is not how it affects me. The fact that there exists a lot of mysogonistic men doesn't reflect on me. I am confident that I'd be one of the men who'd just leave a woman alone if we ever met in the woods, so knowing that there are a lot of men out their who wouldn't doesn't get me salty at the women who are fearful of them; but rather, it gets me salty at the shithead men out there who are ultimately the root of the women's fear.

Right now, you are ultimately expressing your anger towards the hypothetical victim rather getting angry at the hypothetical asshole.

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[-] MummysLittleBloodSlut 21 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Bro. I know you're not a rapist, but you're going to have to accept that lots of men are rapists. If you want people to think of men in general as nice people, you need to fight the rapists. Right now you're not doing that.

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[-] khaleer@sopuli.xyz 24 points 1 month ago

Post of a kind "Men once again prove women right"

[-] Marinatorres@lemmy.world 21 points 1 month ago

Wild how a simple safety tip got turned into a whole fantasy scenario. Sometimes the point really is just: let people feel safe.

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