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I still have a dual-boot desktop that I keep a copy of Windows 10 on for one or two bits of software that I can't get 100% working in Wine, and yeah I'm definitely not upgrading. For one thing I can't because it's an older CPU that doesn't have TPM on it, but also because of the AI thing.
The idea that Microsoft is expecting me to purchase new hardware (which is now ludicrously expensive because of companies like Microsoft going all-in on AI slop) so that I can 'upgrade' and make it easier for them to use their AI slop spyware to harvest my info is so preposterously arrogant and evil that I actually find it super funny.
It's like if someone was going to rob you and they expected you to go purchase and supply the gun they use to stick you up with lol.
There’s nothing I do with my home computer that warrants that AI is integrated to the OS. I browse the web. Play games. Occasionally I work on some personal projects.
I can never see myself say ” Hey Cortana! I want to play Megabonk!”. I see much less reason for the OS to constantly record everything I do to do this.
Please don’t shove AI down my throat.
Man MS,…
-W8=> dude, we just want an OS that works
-Voice commands=> please don’t give hackers that kind of acces through our speakers
-Vista=> just fkn work already
-Onedrive all over the place=> nope
-365=> no thx
When will these assholes learn? If this is the straw that breaks multiple camels then good.
Windows users want a menu button in the lower left corner and shit to work after a short installer. How the fuck do you keep messing that up?
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Windows users want a menu button in the lower left corner and shit to work after a short installer. How the fuck do you keep messing that up?
Capitalists are literally Mt Krabbs:
"Squidward! New rule! All customers must fill in this survey about the details of their day before they order!" Drops a giant stack of papers on the counter
Squidward sighs "Why are we doing this?"
"Because then I can sell their information for more MONEY! Hyukukukukuk!"
Also UI that operates near instantaneously. Not waiting for the option I want to pop in.
Also not having online search results posted above the locally installed programs. If I search for “cmd” and hit Enter, I want it to open Command Prompt. I don’t want to do a fucking Edge search for “cmd”, or have it open some internet ad for something else named “cmd”.
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Working as intended by the shareholders.
Like apparently everyone else, I moved to Linux Mint and have been loving it! It really is easy to use, but I've also realized that my technical knowledge is at a point where I really don't need it to be easy. Like, I've always considered myself kinda tech illiterate in comparison to the people I'm around (I'm a software engineer who specializes in JavaScript/React, but I'm around Rust devs and people who set up docker containers for fun) but apparently just being comfortable using the console is far above what the average user will do. I think there was an xkcd about this kind of phenomenon
This is the absolutely perfect way to describe what it's like listening to Linux fans give advice to newcomers.
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Eh. I installed Linux Mint this weekend because I was sick of Microsoft's bullshit and I had to connect my PC to my router with an Ethernet cable to install a driver for my wifi adapter from the terminal. I am quite tech savvy and was very comfortable with this whole process and it took no time at all, but my wife who knows barely anything about computers would have probably given up the moment the Internet didn't work when Mint installed. Most people use routers that they rent for too much money from their ISPs and don't even know you can plug shit into the backs of those routers yourself. The moment the wifi doesn't work on the new OS even though the password is right, it's game over for their ability to troubleshoot it. That is why Linux won't get normies on it anytime soon. After that my experience has been extremely smooth and I have been able to do anything I've wanted to do without touching the terminal (although I prefer terminal commands), but that initial hurdle is just way too much to expect from the average person who just wants to get on Netflix and Facebook asap.
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Yeah, the average user doesn't want to do scary console shit. Linux won't replace windows until people don't need to type console commands.
Which is kinda sad. The console always feels like a more precise way to deal with a problem. So it's like people are saying "Using a mouse is too scary, I'd rather use a WiiMote while wearing mittens"
People don't need to type console commands. They're just the easiest way to tell someone how to do something in text.
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I'm one of them, and currently looking into Linux, if I can migrate my Photoshop tools/brushes/gradients/etc successfully over to another program that is compatible.
My only hang up after that is gaming, and I feel that can be resolved with dual boot to win10.
Gaming on Linux works now. I play every game I care for.
Gaming on Linux is superior, on a lot of games! I dual booted and ran benchmarks on Windows 11 and Fedora, same hardware. Ran nothing but the OS and Steam in the background, (gaming mode on and off), oddly found better performance with gaming mode off, then tried the same thing with Fedora. 5-10% higher framerates in Fedora running Proton.
Tried the same thing with synched Firefox tabs, half a dozen open tabs, telegram and discord running. Fedora sometimes hit 15% higher framerates.
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While going for another program, ideally non proprietary, with a native Linux version would be ideal, I would not be surprised if running Photoshop on Linux with wine was a viable option these days. Or will be in a not-too-distant future.
As for games, what the others have said. Unless you're into a specific multiplier game with a kernel level "anticheat", then it should be fine.
In fact, I suspect Photoshop, rather than gaming, is much more likely to be the reason you'd have to dual boot.
Don't know if this is particularly relevant as a comparison to your Photoshop idea, but I have successfully run things like windows version of Cascadeur and Blender through Proton; in the case of Blender, it was for running an older Kenshi modding import export plugin, which only supports the Windows version of Blender.
Literally just set it up through Steam, Proton Experimental.
UI scaling / fonts can be a bit wonky, but for just doing the import/export steps, its totally workable, as... a .blend file is a .blend file, so you can do the other edits in a linux version of Blender.
Or, I could probably use ProtonTricks to add some fonts and font subpixel AA dependencies to get it to work 'more right', I remember that being what I ended up doing back when I was still using MO2.
Or, or, you could try Bottles, that would probably be a more sane way to try and set up a more... fully featured, editor type of Windows program, within Linux, it tends to handle those kinds of esoteric dependencies a bit better, has more of them as just part of the default preset.
Holy shit, doing all that for an old Kenshi plugin is just fantastic, you genuinely got a laugh out of me. I did think people who played Kenshi seemed like masochists (or very zen and meditative people) but thanks for the confirmation.
I initially thought something like that, but another comment mentions a bunch of potential Adobe cloud + DRM bullshit that may or may not make the wine/proton approach range from impossible to quite a bit broken.
TL;DR Adobe is probably evil incarnate.
I would not describe setting that up as masochistic, it was actually quite easy, easier than figuring out how to install Windows on the hardware I have, without blowing up everything else.
Dual booting linux and windows?
That's masochism.
... I actually was a karateka for a decade +, so, perhaps i am some combination of meditative and masochistic, by some people's standards.
I very much appreciate the extent to which Kenshi is not a power fantasy, the extent to which ... it allows you to become OP as fuck and do many incredible things... but you have to actually earn it.
Anyway, yes, the DRM is probably your main problem there with Adobe, ... I dunno, find a crack or use Krita or Gimp or other alternatives?
At least personally, I find that those two do everything I need, there are basically only super niche scenarios where linux does not have an at least comparably featured alternative to some windows software.
I recently got a local LLM spun up... on my Steam Deck. Running Bazzite.
Literally so easy I did it without a mouse or keyboard.
... Can you do that on Windows?
heheheheh
Ah it seems you have me confused, I'm not the guy who needs Photoshop.
Interestingly, I have been dual booting Linux and windows for a while in the past. That was way, way back though, around 2010 I'd say. Back then, gaming on Linux was still very much hit and miss (but mostly miss, for me) and I had nothing better to do than gaming after uni so I did not have much of a choice.
I'll say, maybe it was dumb luck, more likely it's Windows getting shitter, but dual booting used to be much less of a faff from what I can gather. For instance I never had a windows update torch my boot record to force itself instead of grubby grub. I understand that can be a common occurrence these days.
After that and getting a real job TM, I had much less time for it so I wiped that sad excuse for an OS from my system with a grin and never looked back. Which also means, there's been a decent chunk of time I only did with whatever was available in Linux as I could not be bothered with wine. So I don't know how easy things have become, my only exposure is now the odd bit of gaming again but, as you know, Steam just makes it work for me.
+1 for Krita, I don't need much but it more than fits the bill for me. There are other threads in there though that do mention some stuff is just a lot harder when compared to PS for peeps who are actually good at the stuff.
LLMs (ok ok,not local) now come by default on Windows, without keyboard or mouse, just the mandatory connection to the mothership. So, yay windows?
~maybe~ ~I~ ~should~ ~try~ ~Kenshi~ ~sometime...~
Oh.
Perhaps I am confused, though you did say:
I would not be surprised if running Photoshop on Linux with wine was a viable option these days. Or will be in a not-too-distant future.
Thats basically what I was trying to respond to initially.
I'm use lemmy on mobile, and sometimes the sort of thread branches become a confusing rainbow of ... wait who am I talking to?
But anyway yeah, I used to be able to dual boot linux and windows fairly easily, but then, MSFT decided that their idea of Secure Boot involves rewriting your GRUB or whatever, and breaking your bootloader / boot sector.
And it would do this via Windows updates.
So thats a rootkit, as far as I'm concerned, fuck em, get off my PC.
IRT local LLMs, that aren't spyware, that are containerized, that don't burn down an acre of forest for every 15 minutes their datacenter runs?
Alpaca. Its a flatpak, makes setting up a local LLM about as easy at it could possibly be.
IRT to Kenshi...
Seek not the "wisdom" of Okran, for he is a false god, a cruel god, his "Holy Nation" is an abominable pox, a viscious hypocrisy manifest in blood stained sand and broken souls.
Instead, seek the meek, foster them, and your rewards shall be numerous and unexpected.
... ahem ...
Uh yeah Kenshi has as almost much lore and worldbuilding as something like a Bethesda game, but it does have a very unorthodox sort of control scheme.
Its... kind of like playing on old school, SWG/MxO era MMO, but its... singleplayer, and ... basically a simulation of a world, more so than a 'game' with a coherent main plot.
You just have to go find the plotlines, the people with backstories, the factions with conflicts.
You can be a fighter, a thief, a caravaneer, you can build a town, you can raise an army, and lead them all into battle.
Its unorthodox, if you need a game to handhold you and direct you, you probably won't like Kenshi.
But if you want a confusing and brutal world that is entirely capable of existing and functioning without you... you might like it.
Ah I did say that, but as an answer to the post above who wondered whether a dual boot would be needed for PS.
So what I heard is true. Yep, shitty practice from MS. In other news, water makes you wet.
No no obviously windows would not support that. It provides some value, and respects the user.
You do make it sound good, I just think I am sadly no longer at a point in my life where I can reasonably dedicate the chunk of time that would be needed to get into it. Maybe I'll change my mind. Thank you for the enthusiastic write up!
Ah hey that's totally fair!
May you walk with purpose, but your steps be gentle.
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Huge numbers of Windows users are refusing to upgrade to Windows 11 -- and many of them are citing its AI features as the reason why.
Spoiler: They're not. They're postponing. Eventually, they'll almost all give in to the bullying :(
All my remaining W10 machines in the house are just in a holding pattern because I haven't bothered to move them over to Linux yet. For me (and hopefully many others), its just lack of free time and procrastination. There is zero chance they'll go to W11 for me personally.
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I feel bad about the people who have no choice but to make a Microsoft account and then not being able to change the default browser app due to Family Safety™
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Moved 5 home PCs from Win10 to either Mint or Bazzite this year. No complaints from the family; we'll not be going back to M$.
Finally converted the last computer in my house from Windows to Linux. My wife was the last holdout and she's been loving her Linux machine.
I used windows 11 for too damn long before switching to Mint. I feel like I already damned myself.
I'm not only refusing to downgrade to Windows 11, my home system got switched to Linux (with the support of my SO) despite me thinking Linux is probably the single least user-friendly system I've ever had the misfortune to use.
That's how bad Windows 11 looks to me.
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Linux is a great option nowadays especially if you go for one of the more mainstream distros. Otherwise Windows 11 IoT LTSC is the best of a bad lot.
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I have used MS for years and also interacting with linux based server systems daily. I do stick with windows, but I also disable most of AI related features (I used auto captioning in some cases). While I use AI daily it is a local sandboxed instance. I think they should focus on other areas, but every tech company is FOMO on AI.
I‘ve switched to Linux mint. 95% of my time I am using it instead of Windows and this is just because of that stupid kernel anti cheat software…
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Same, just got a new framework 13 laptop, it's not running Windows, sleep, fingerprint reader, Bluetooth, gpu drivers it all works. Linux now. All the games I currently play just work out of the box, steam just adds proton to the download. I don't use Microsoft Office apps though, more than happy with the alternatives.
I have had 3 more friends in the last 24 hours tell me they are now going to make the switch in the near future. This is in addition to 2 who already have. This makes a total of 8 people I know personally who have already or will be switching this year/early next year.
I do not know a tonne of people, it's really pretty impressive.
Breaking the preview pane in the final update for windows 10 was a nice touch.
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