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[-] Lettuceeatlettuce@lemmy.ml 30 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

One reason: It's not FOSS, and because of that, it's not protected from the Capitalist profit motive that's always pushing the creators/owners towards enshitification.

The same forces act upon FOSS too, but the difference is that FOSS has structural immunity built into it. If the software enshitifies, it can be forked and maintained by a community that values software freedom.

We've seen it happen time and again. Terraform, CentOS, RHEL, The Xen Hypervisor, etc. When companies try to take freedom away from FOSS, they fail, because their users and maintainers are empowered by FOSS licenses (especially restrictive ones like the GPL) and can fight back.

With proprietary software, the users are powerless, only the owners have control.

Don't trust promises, good intentions, or corporate slogans. Trust free software and the open ecosystems they thrive in.

PS, Jellyfin is amazing ❤️

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[-] dejected_warp_core@lemmy.world 31 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

I'm going to call it like I saw it, a very long time ago.

You have a product that is basically purpose built to make data hoarding and piracy practical, yet it requires a login with a central service. I don't care what justification anyone thinks makes that worthwhile or even a good compromise. Signaling to any corporate entity that you're in possession of such a thing is a bad idea to begin with. They shouldn't even know you exist. That information, along with anything else you do with the product is compromising to you and can be sold for money if aggregated with everyone else's data.

If you find this rant out of place in our modern world, I'd like to point to the concept of shifting baselines. This didn't used to be normal and nothing short of greed continues the behavior. The technology before this ran/runs without anyone knowing. Consider VLC, or XBMC.

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[-] Allero@lemmy.today 10 points 3 days ago
  1. It's a commercial product, what else could you expect?
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[-] Korne127@lemmy.world 234 points 5 days ago
[-] BassTurd@lemmy.world 49 points 5 days ago

Does jellyfin have an easy way for remote streaming? I have a couple dozen people on my Plex server, most not very tech savvy, so setting up tailscale and running remote that way isn't an option. I have a Plex pass so I haven't been screwed by Plex yet, so I'm not rushing to get out, but I could see myself running both.

[-] roofuskit@lemmy.world 43 points 5 days ago

Yes-ish, it's harder for you than the users. But you will have to secure a URL and they will have to remember that URL. Also there's some security issues with some unsecured endpoints on Jellyfin. That said I have mine out there exposed to the net and am comfortable enough with it.

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[-] melfie@lemy.lol 46 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

I prefer open source, but if I’m buying proprietary software, let’s do it fairly and sustainably. Don’t charge me a 1-time fee and then enshittify what I bought because your business model isn’t working. On the other hand, don’t charge me multiple times for the same software with a subscription. The most fair arrangement to both of us is to sell perpetual licenses for a specific version and then charge me for major updates. If your newer versions introduce massive improvements, then I might give you more money. It’s also fair to do free upgrades for a period of time and then charge for major upgrades. Finally, don’t force me to use your software always online and if you must have an activation process, provide a way to activate from a different machine by uploading an activation file or whatever.

[-] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 156 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Playing devil's advocate, I understand one point of pressure: Plex doesn’t want to be perceived as a “piracy app.”

See: Kodi. https://kodi.expert/kodi-news/mpaa-warns-increasing-kodi-abuse-poses-greater-video-piracy-risk/

To be blunt, that’s a huge chunk of their userbase. And they run the risk of being legally pounded to dust once that image takes hold.

So how do they avoid that? Add a bunch of other stuff, for plausible deniability. And it seems to have worked, as the anti-piracy gods haven’t singled them out like they have past software projects.


To be clear, I'm not excusing Plex. But I can sympathize.

[-] almost1337@lemmy.zip 54 points 5 days ago

I wish more people understood this perspective

[-] explodicle@sh.itjust.works 36 points 5 days ago

It's really nice of them to fight the good fight while I use Jellyfin instead.

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[-] boaratio@lemmy.world 34 points 4 days ago
[-] prole 18 points 4 days ago

Yeah, only one reason. It's always capitalism.

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[-] opossumo@lemmings.world 21 points 4 days ago

I never felt comfortable with Plex, glad I've got JellyFin.

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[-] Doorknob@lemmy.world 8 points 3 days ago

If they were going to get enshittified, they should've been smarter about it to gradually introduce lock-in. The switching cost of going to Jellyfin is almost zero. Did it in an afternoon about a year ago. Ya done goofed, Plex

[-] scarabic@lemmy.world 19 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

I hate headlines like this. I’d love to hear the REASONS WHY Plex are doing all of this. But no, it’s just “4 ways in which Plex now sucks” which we all know already.

Before someone says “the reason is money” we need to ask: do the developers of Jellyfin not use money? Why won’t the same thing just happen to them too?

Before someone says “enshittification,” we need to ask: does this mean Jellyfin will soon have the same problems?

We all seem to love Jellyfin so I think we need to understand the actual reason why, or this will just continue happening.

[-] Jhex@lemmy.world 16 points 4 days ago

I hate headlines like this. I’d love to hear the REASONS WHY Plex are doing all of this.

  1. Greed... do you really need 3 more?

Before someone says “the reason is money” we need to ask: do the developers of Jellyfin not use money? Why won’t the same thing just happen to them too?

Plex is a private company wanting money... Jellyfin is a voluteer-drive effort

Before someone says “enshittification,” we need to ask: does this mean Jellyfin will soon have the same problems?

Enshitification happens to privately develop products due to greed... Jellyfin is not a private company pushing a product for profit

We all seem to love Jellyfin so I think we need to understand the actual reason why, or this will just continue happening.

Back to "greed"

[-] scarabic@lemmy.world 7 points 3 days ago

As predicted, a one-dimensional answer.

Let’s say they want more money: they do have a healthy software subscriptions business. How can they get more by becoming the world’s tiniest streaming service? And won’t that cannibalize their subscriptions business as the experience gets shittier and shittier?

Some actual “whys” within this would be things like (made up, but for example)

  1. the subscriptions business is dying - less than 1% of users ever buy a pass and efforts to increase that failed for (another reason here)

  2. streaming services are dumping cash into viewer acquisition because a war is on for dominance in that space and Pled is capitalizing on that

  3. Plex has high overlap with gamers and are making good money on midroll gaming ads during these streams

  4. Plex has legal concerns about facilitating piracy - this is the real reason why sync is shit and they killed watch together. They are desperately trying to pivot out of their old business before they get sued - OR all this streaming nonsense gives them a kind of fig leaf over that somehow

See, issues can be complex and interesting. Just calling them greedy is neither. How is this the greedy play, even?

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Plex is a private company..

[-] ragebutt@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Plex took a significant degree of other people’s money, to the tune of over 40 million dollars. The people who gave said money were not kickstarter funders, donators, subscribers, etc but investors, who have an expectation that plex will move the company in a direction that makes them profitable enough to not only repay the 40+ million investment, but to then earn profits for a lengthy period (possibly in perpetuity) as they are stakeholders. This is the same thing that happened to Reddit (though Reddits scale and timeline was FAR more vast), openai, Google, literally every company ever basically. Plex now has an obligation to not just continue development but to continue it in a way that maximizes growth and revenue, even if that is anti consumer.

Jellyfin on the other hand has language on their contributions page that almost discourages financial support. This is because the only financial support they accept is donations, which are clearly explained are to support the free software and give no ownership stake. The software does not generate profit and donation does not equate to any kind of investment, other than supporting continued development. Expecting any kind of return on your part (again, other than the project continuing to move forward) is foolish. Lemmy is similar, as are many other FOSS projects. Jellyfin can remain ideologically stable to its goals, and because it is free if its users feel the lead developers are straying from this they can fork it and make “new ideologically pure jellyfin” (see xmbc to plex to emby to jellyfin, or lemmys 938 forks, many of which are tweaks and some of which are because people got beef with the main devs)

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[-] Redtrax@lemmy.ml 25 points 4 days ago

Stopped using Plex and moved to jellyfin around 12 months ago and have never looked back

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[-] PhAzE@lemmy.ca 10 points 3 days ago

Meh, I went into plex settings on the server and just turned off all the bloat. Its all on one page. Not a big deal.

[-] Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 3 days ago

I went into no settings on Jellyfin and everything stayed sane and the same.

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[-] zephiriz@lemmy.ml 41 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

3 Things stop from using jellyfin 100% of the time.

  1. TV tuner is janky and loading a guide for local channels is garbage. I like watching the morning local news and jellyfin just does not cut it.

  2. I want sub accounts. They used to have something similar but took it out for security reasons. I want to log all my TVs into one account but then have each user select their profile. So I can easily have a restricted profile for say kids then another for my parents then one for me then one for SO under the same roof. It will track each persons watched profile so when someone watches ahead it doesn't mess with someone else's.

  3. On the same note, controller/ HTPC remote configs feel janky. I know its there but its not a smooth and easy as Plex. This goes along with above for anyone who says just make another account. You try entering half decent passwords with small HTPC remotes or controllers. Every time you go to watch TV.

If they could fix these things I would ditch Plex all the way. But as it stands I use Plex for my TV and jellyfin for my phones, tablets, PC.

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[-] kieron115@startrek.website 27 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Sure, you can disable a lot of features from the home page, but even the remaining bits push you toward Plex’s ecosystem with things like recommendations. And I’ve even seen people complaining about needing to re-disable promotional content after updates. It’s simply a shady business.

Edit: It's just occurred to me that he might literally be referring to the Recommended tab on your home page - which you only have to interact with by choice.

If anyone would care to tell me where I'm being pushed towards Plex's ecosystem I'd love to understand what the flying fuck he's talkin about. The only thing I could find that could generously be called part of the Plex "ecosystem" are the social features. Does it give more "ads" if you have a free account or something? Also I've had a server for 15 years and I've never had to re-do my customization from an update.

[-] neclimdul@lemmy.world 18 points 4 days ago

I believe I experienced what they called "re-disable promotional content after an update." Everything was reset and my media was hidden with only their streaming options available. Similarly setting up a new Chromecast it only had their streaming content and I had to hide their content and unhide mine.

I seem to remember there being some weaselly link that would re-enable their content after it was disabled too.

Generously, they're providing more content and a way to support the development of the product through ads. But all the changes and the way they're happening show me a picture of a company with changing priorities. So I tend to agree with the sentiment of the author.

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[-] LoafedBurrito@lemmy.world 42 points 5 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

If jellyfin was easier to use and had the same options as Plex, id switch over. But I'll keep my Plex lifetime pass as long as I can until they make all lifetime passes null in the next 2 years and make us all pay monthly.

[-] NewNewAugustEast@lemmy.zip 21 points 4 days ago

If jellyfin was easier to use and had the same options as jellyfin

Just guessing here, but I think it just might.

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[-] Twongo@lemmy.ml 44 points 5 days ago

it is proprietary software behind a paywall... need i say more?

[-] AbidanYre@lemmy.world 39 points 5 days ago

Yeah, their survey is missing the "never used Plex because I saw this coming a mile away" option.

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[-] HugeNerd@lemmy.ca 6 points 3 days ago

Goodness, how am I supposed to store and stream more entertainment than I could watch in a lifetime now?

[-] owenfromcanada@lemmy.ca 39 points 5 days ago
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[-] flop_leash_973@lemmy.world 8 points 4 days ago

Plex has been off limits to me for along time. Just the fact they want to require auth with their central service for something I use for reasons rights holders would love to sue me into third world poverty over (muh Linux ISOs) is enough reason.

Them demanding that auth hook into the server makes me uneasy about what sort of metatdata they are currently, or could exfiltrate later on, should they want to or be demanded to.

Whole thing stinks of willingly being part of a honeypot.

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