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To me, someone who celebrates a bit more of the spectrum than most: Metal hot. Make food hot.

Non-stick means easier cleanup, but my wife seems to think cast-iron is necessary for certain things (searing a prime rib roast, for example.).

After I figure those out, then I gotta figure out gas vs. electric vs. induction vs infrared....

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[-] SirEDCaLot@lemmy.today 14 points 2 days ago

Metal hot. Make food hot.

Think a bit deeper. How quickly is that heat transferred, and at what peak temperatures? Does the metal keep any heat of its own and impart that into the food, or does it just convey the heat from the burner to the food? And how quickly does it do that?

but my wife seems to think cast-iron is necessary for certain things (searing a prime rib roast, for example.).

Look at the thermal mechanics of this.

Take the cast iron pot. You can throw that on the stove and let it get ripping hot, like the metal itself is carrying a ton of heat energy. When you put the prime rib in it, the metal dumps its heat into the meat much faster than a flame alone would. This helps you get a strong sear on the outside, without dumping in too much total quantity of heat to cook the meat on the inside more than you want.


then I gotta figure out gas vs. electric vs. induction vs infrared…

Heat can be transferred 3 ways- conduction (flows between two touching objects), convection (hot object heats air, air blows against cold object, air heats cold object) and radiation (hot object radiates energy through space and it warms cold object).

Electric- coils get hot, the pan touching the coils transfers heat by conduction. Downside is uneven heating- neither the pan nor the coils is perfectly flat so you get hot spots.

Infrared- coils under the glass get hot and radiate heat through the glass. This works pretty well.

Induction- coils under the glass but they don't get hot. Instead they create a magnetic field modulated at low radio frequencies (15-150 KHz). This fluctuating magnetic field interacts with any ferrous metal close to it, creating small but powerful eddy currents inside the metal and thus heating the metal up. So the stove doesn't create any heat at all, it's the pan that actually gets hot. This by the way is neither conduction convection nor radiation, because heat isn't being transferred, it's created inside the pot.

Gas- flammable gas (usually propane or natural gas, which is mostly methane) burns creating high temperature exhaust gases that rise against the pot and thus heat the pot. Many chefs like this. Gas stoves should ideally be used with an overhead hood as gas stoves have been proven to drastically reduce indoor air quality.

Of the options- induction is usually the best these days, because it's the most efficient, cleanest, and also in many cases has the highest output (in terms of watts of heat pumped into the pot).

When cooking, you want a stove capable of very high output. The more output you have, the faster it will boil water for example.

[-] yyyesss@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago
[-] RubberElectrons@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

All technically true & correct.

I'll add that cast iron consistently works better for longer: My ceramic or PTFE pots start great, but after a while become so terrible they're useless in spite of silicone spatulas etc. I cook almost daily, so I found the new tech pans fully degraded within a year or less.

Cast iron, I've car camped and daily stove topped, no problem. I season it once every couple of years, works great.

[-] SirEDCaLot@lemmy.today 2 points 1 day ago

This is true.

My partner and I are currently having a laugh because a couple years back I bought a fancy expensive set of ceramic coated pans. Best ones on offer in the store at the time. Coating applied with plasma vapor at 40,000°F or some such nonsense, hard as diamond, good for use with metal utensils, coating guaranteed for life, yada yada. Good brand too (Calphalon). I said the tech on these is amazing and the coating has insane hardness and it will last forever. Partner laughed and said I fell for marketing BS, all non stick pans degrade.

Guess what happened? The nonstick ceramic coating started rubbing off in some places. I'm quite annoyed. Partner laughs at me.

Meanwhile go on YouTube and there's videos of people restoring cast iron skillets from the 1800s to like-new condition.

[-] RubberElectrons@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

😬 damn, sorry homie. I guess if it's lifetime warranted, resell the replacements?

Not particularly relevant, but it'll help you see through marketing dreck no matter how it evolves: Plasma arcs can go that high in temp, but has no effect on what makes something "hard" or "soft": interatomic bond strength. I'm certain you know this, but carbon (as in the diamond) holds hands really strongly with other carbon, more strongly than iron to iron as in a steel spatula.

In theory, an actual diamond surface (not sprayed on, but grown) would be impervious to steel implements. But in reality, making a fully uniform diamond coating is extremely difficult, and thus tear-jerkingly expensive.

Spraying chunks of diamond onto a surface as the mfgr has done really means there's a thin sticky coating on the pan before they start, so that these hot pieces of diamond partly melt into it and are "glued". Safe bet that later is PTFE. That means when your pan is hot on the stove, the layer softens and you wind up eating little bits of diamond with each meal. One day, food sticks, as you'll have found a spot missing too many diamonds, it's just the substrate with a bunch of tiny holes to make food stick even worse than a smooth plastic surface.

[-] Dayroom7485@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

Pretty good post, I learnt something - thanks 🙏

[-] SirEDCaLot@lemmy.today 1 points 1 day ago

Glad to help :)

[-] NotASharkInAManSuit@lemmy.world 6 points 2 days ago

Get a thick bottom stainless steel pan and don’t be afraid to use butter, it’ll take care of all your needs and doesn’t require special or gentle treatment.

[-] tauisgod@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

Cast iron gets jerked off over a lot but it has its merits. All of the 'no soap' talk is from the old days of lye based soaps and detergents. It still has the advantages of heat retention, durability, and low cost. Keep it dry and oiled when not in use and it'll still outlive your grandkids.

Stainless steel is nigh invulnerable to just about everything, doesn’t require seasoning, and can be put away soaking wet without a concern. I’m not knocking cast iron, but cast iron is more of a hobby than it is practical everyday cookware. It’s the cooking equivalent of preferring vinyl records over other music formats that are literally just as good if not better.

[-] tauisgod@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

For sure. Most of my cookware is stainless. I have a mix of that, cast iron, and high carbon steel.The right tool for the right job.

[-] dogs0n@sh.itjust.works 8 points 2 days ago

Your wife sounds smart, listen to heerrrrrr.

Also I don't know, but since hearing about non-stick pans leaking cancer into your food (if you scrape them with a fork, etc), I just like to use a normal pan.

[-] tomkatt@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Non-stick is terrible for anything that needs real frying, because the non-stick coating breaks down at high temperatures (generally manufacturer recommendations are to keep the pan under 400f / 204c. I've had the coating start browning and changing at lower temperatures than that.

I have cast iron pans, but I can't be bothered to maintain them so they mostly sit in the cabinet. I need to sand and re-coat mine currently, as they've got some rust spots, and I don't really use them.

I swear by steel pans. They work great on any stove type (gas, electric, induction, doesn't matter), have enough heft but are lighter than cast iron, and they can handle high heat and even be baked so long as the handle is also steel. The trick to stainless is making sure it's hot enough for water to dance on, and nothing will stick. I tend to use a bit of oil and then a bit of butter when cooking in them and they're practically non-stick that way anyway, just give it a rinse and wash while it's still hot and everything comes right off.

Plus, there are some foods you actually want to stick a bit sometimes, like when you're searing meats and later using the glaze from the pan for a sauce.

If you're using steel and accidentally leave it and stuff is stuck to it, no need to panic, just put some water in the pan, heat it up (preferably with a lid on), and once it's hot, everything should come off easily.


Edit - one trick to cooking with a stainless steel pan that I've found specifically when cooking with oil (olive oil generally) - When the oil becomes thin and moves around the pan easily you're generally good, but if you leave it sit on medium heat until the oil makes a sort of sine wave pattern where the edges of the pan start to curve up, you're set, nothing will stick.

[-] qyron@sopuli.xyz 4 points 2 days ago

Non stick usually implies teflon coating. Throw it out.

I have some cast iron cookware. Fun to use, the end result does feel different, heat disperses well and evenly and keeps warm for longer.

It can be used over nearly any heat source, with similar results, but I do prefer induction. More efficient and less prone no mishaps.

[-] hildegarde 4 points 2 days ago
[-] SippyCup@lemmy.ml 8 points 2 days ago

It's a tool. Like a hammer.

Hammer hit nail, nail go in. But if you look for hammers you'll quickly find that there's a dozen or so different hammers available, all of which make nail go in.

Different hammers are for different types of hitting things.

Different cooking pans are for different types of cooking. All of them make food go hot.

Stainless steel make food go hot and also make pan sauce and clean real easy. But food sometimes stick. This is considered a feature, not a flaw.

Non stick make food go hot but food no stick. Doesn't last very long but it's very easy to clean. If you really love eggs they're a necessity.

Cast iron make food go hot and stay hot longer. But they don't heat very evenly and they're hard to clean, this is also considered a feature by... Certain people...

For some reason there's a community of gooners for cast iron. I cook a lot and have long since abandoned 99% of my cast iron cookware. The only things that survived was a burger press and a Dutch oven that has a ceramic glaze on it so it's easy to keep clean. I find that for just make food go hot, cast iron is not as good at it as stainless steel is. But if I'm making a stew, or bread, or frying something, a really big cast iron vessel really is the best thing. It stays at a temperature longer than anything else does, and that matters in specific applications.

[-] yyyesss@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago

if you really love eggs they're a necessity

i couldn't disagree harder. i can cook eggs any style you like in cast iron with absolutely no sticking issues. slides around like they're on ice.

[-] tomkatt@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago

Non stick make food go hot but food no stick. Doesn’t last very long but it’s very easy to clean. If you really love eggs they’re a necessity.

Hard disagree. Eggs are the first thing I ever learned to cook, and I can make them consistently how I like them, every time... or I could, until I started using non-stick pans. For a few years I struggled to make a proper egg and couldn't figure out why. Switched back to stainless steel pans, perfect eggs every time.

I really, really don't like teflon/PFAS/whatever non-stick pans. Just plain steel or cast iron for me. The consistency matters, and I just can't get that from non-stick coated pans.

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[-] ryokimball@infosec.pub 115 points 4 days ago

Non-stick chemicals have been historically poisonous, don't know about the modern stuff though.

Also, cooking with cast iron increases iron intake.

[-] MotoAsh@piefed.social 38 points 4 days ago

Cheap "modern" stuff? Still toxic. Though there are plenty of coatings that are less toxic and more robust. Not to say any, including a seasoned cast iron pan, are abuse-proof. Use metal utensils on anything, and you will damage any coating.

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[-] brygphilomena@lemmy.dbzer0.com 20 points 3 days ago

Metal hot. Makes food hot. Yes.

But!!

Cold food makes hot pan cold.

Cast iron has a lot of thermal mass, so when you put a cold piece of meat on it it doesn't immediately get cold and stop cooking for a bit. Thin pans without it don't keep hot, hot so they don't sear long enough and you don't get the maillard reaction and the tasty brown crust.

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[-] pachrist@lemmy.world 6 points 2 days ago

Some answers here are close.

It depends on what type of person you are.

If you're the kind of person who has a neat, clean kitchen who does all their dishes after every meal, go cast iron.

If you're the kind of person who has a messy kitchen and you really only do dishes once or twice a week, go primarily with stainless, a nonstick pan for eggs, and a 10-12 inch cast iron pan for occasional use, like that rib roast.

[-] Galapagon@sh.itjust.works 69 points 3 days ago

Induction gives you the speed and control of gas, without the exhaust gases. Induction is more efficient than infrared, because you're heating the pan directly. The cooktop only gets hot from the pan resting on it.

Get induction, it's by far the best!

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[-] Rhynoplaz@lemmy.world 22 points 3 days ago

This is a HUGE "Yes, but."

Entering adulthood, I got cheap run of the mill non stick pans, they work until they dont.

Then we tried cast iron. Gotta oil it, cure it, and don't use soap to wash it. Some extra work, but it worked great.

Now, I'm rocking stainless steel. Less work than the cast iron, but you need to preheat the pan before you put anything in it. If you do this, it's just as nonstick as the others, and it's a lot lighter and easier than the iron, and I think they are less expensive than cast iron, but I haven't compared in a very long time.

[-] davad@lemmy.world 22 points 3 days ago

FYI, you can wash cast iron with soap.

Not using soap is a hold over from when soaps were more caustic (e.g. lye soap).

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[-] EndlessNightmare@reddthat.com 10 points 2 days ago

Reddit has a fucking hard-on for cast iron. I'm not really a fan.

I don't use teflon non-stick but have had good results with ceramic-based non-stick. My second choice would be carbon steel, which has a similar "seasoning" process as cast iron, but I find carbon steel easier to work with compared to cast iron.

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[-] Psythik@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

I agree with the wife. Cast iron for steaks and searing red meats, non-stick for everything else.

At the end of the day, what you should care about most is the fact that you're lucky enough to have a wife who knows how to cook. In my house, I have to handle all the cooking and dishes. But at least she does the dusting and the laundry—both of which I hate doing—so it evens out I guess.

[-] A_Union_of_Kobolds@lemmy.world 68 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

It lasts forever, you wont scrape whatever "non-stick coating" they use off. If you want a pan that will outlive your grandchildren and is permanently non-stick once it's seasoned, for most things a cast iron is perfect. If you have that, some pots of various sizes, and a wok, youre set.

I prefer induction or infrared stovetop. We dont need to burn more gas.

[-] BluescreenOfDeath@lemmy.world 46 points 4 days ago

Imo, the main advantage to cast iron vs literally everything else is how you can abuse it as long as the one rule you follow is to clean it after use.

Teflon and other nonstick coatings are too easily damaged by things like scrubbing pads or metal utensils.

Cast iron don't give a single fuck.

[-] Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 38 points 4 days ago

Teflon will eventually flake off even if babied. The problem is thermal stress between the aluminum and Teflon. Repeated heating and cooling will eventually cause it to fail.

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[-] DavidP@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago

Go with a carbon steel pan over cast iron. Similar performance but without the weight.

[-] phed@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 days ago

nonstick gets ruined in 9 months, maybe longer if you pay more or are careful. i got my carbon steel pan 3 years ago and stopped replacing nonstick. Didn't cost that much either, got it on a sale. Pair your carbon steel with a metal fish turner and you'll be in heaven. No plastic/rubber in your food, the thin edge gets under everything easily, and it makes deglazing a snap.

[-] DavidP@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago

Hah I bet we have the same fish spatula!

[-] phed@lemmy.ml 2 points 16 hours ago

I ended up with the OxO but it's on it's way out. I like the wood handle, may I ask the brand/model of yours?

[-] DavidP@lemmy.world 1 points 10 hours ago

New Star Foodservice 43068 Wood... https://www.amazon.com/dp/B019R31DJC

[-] bryophile@lemmy.zip 5 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Pan make food hot. But cold food make flimsy lightweight pan less hot too. Food just sort of simmers while sometimes you want scorching.

Cast iron, or heavy bottom stainless steel pan, stays hot while food touches the pan. More energy is stored in hot heavy bottom pan. Food gets scorched and this gives more roasty toasty flavour, which is better in my opinion. If you don't care for this, don't.

Also, heavy bottoms spread heat more evenly so everything is cooked at same speed (not the middle of the pan faster like most non-stick pans).

[-] inclementimmigrant@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago

I personally cook with a mix of stainless, high carbon, and cast iron and have moved on from gas to induction, with loving my induction and steel pan combo.

I don't care for non-stick due to its short lifespan, not great a searing, and having to replace them every couple of years creating waste and chemicals.

I've found that cast iron with a properly done seasoning and just a little bit of oil, which come on almost no one is cooking without a little bit of oil, I've got a perfectly great non-stick surface that can do eggs, including omurice, and salmon without anything sticking and cleanup is fine, if I get some stuck bits, just take a plastic scraper and then just clean as normal with or without soap depending (yeah, keep it to yourself purists)

My two cents

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[-] Zak@lemmy.world 48 points 4 days ago

The reason cast iron is useful for searing a big cut of meat is that it has a reasonably high specific heat capacity (less than aluminum, more than copper, similar to steel) combined with considerably more mass than typical cookware made of other materials. It takes longer for the meat to cool the pan, so more heat transfers into the outer surface of the meat.

Cleanup of properly seasoned cast iron should be about as easy as non-stick pans because the seasoning (polymerized cooking oil) is, in fact a non-stick surface. Contrary to popular belief, it's fine to use soap on it, but aggressive abrasives can strip the seasoning. Fortunately, that's not hard to fix.

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[-] hansolo@lemmy.today 37 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Yes. Our house only has cast iron and stainless.

There's a small learning curve with cast iron, but the less you worry and over think it, the easier it gets. I fry eggs every other day in mine, and it's about as non-stick as anything else. Preheat the pan or griddle, that's all. Cleanup is a wipe with a paper towel or a rinse and quick scrub.

Cast iron works 95% of the time, but acid can strip the seasoning. So anything simmered an hour or more in tomato or win,e or sauted with lemon juice, get stainless. Don't put it in the dish washer. Not a lot of rules, really. My pan is 15 years old. My Mom uses ones that might be older than her.

When I travel and have to use someone else's non-stick pans, I hate the delicate little snowflake pieces of shit. Flimsy, toxic, someone else showed it a fork once so now it has damage and sticks anyway in a line across the middle, can't go on the oven, can't sear, handles all wobbly. Generally just disposable trash. Why would you love trash?

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[-] Profligate_Parasite@lemmy.today 4 points 2 days ago

Yes. Cast iron is best. It and high carbon steel are the only real "non stick" because thyre the only ones you can season. Dont use "nonstick" pans they are just pollutants and give you cancer. Seasoning cast iron is easy (really... Do less! Stop reaming it and scrubbing it to death... just get it really hot and wipe it). Cast iron last forever... these other things become garbage in 1-5 yrs

[-] 5in1k@lemmy.zip 10 points 3 days ago

Cast iron is vastly superior to non stick. You can get it hotter, it stays hot when you put food in it, you can use metal utensils, no horrible chemicals like pfas.

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[-] RBWells@lemmy.world 15 points 3 days ago

For me, cast iron are by far my most used pans. You know how flannel starts out sort of awful but gets better and better as it gets older? That's cast iron. Starts out sticky PITA but over time becomes satisfying satiny nonstick surface. I've always used them a lot so that's how my cooking style evolved.

We also have one steel pan we call the Stick pan, sometimes you want food to stick so you can deglaze. My kids use it for potsticker dumplings, and they like it also because it's lighter, cast iron is heavy. And of course a rice and pasta pot, those are steel.

I don't buy "nonstick" pans, they don't last and I'm not convinced they are safe.

[-] DJKJuicy@sh.itjust.works 7 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

My family uses our cast iron skillets daily. We have one that is almost exclusively for eggs, and one for meat.

Cast iron wants to be used often and if you really like cooking, will eventually become your go-to. But not everyone gets there; for a lot of people it is counterintuitive to have a pan that you only scrub any bits off and rinse with plain water. Actually, our egg pan only gets wiped out with paper towels because its so slippery now. I don't think I've scrubbed it in months.

If you really want to use your pans:

  1. Best: cast iron
  2. Better: stainless steel or enameled
  3. Good: high quality nonstick like HexClad
  4. Never: cheap non-stick

We use the absolute hell out of our cast iron and our stainless steel. They all get scrubbed with a metal Chore-Boy scrubbee. Only the stainless gets soap.

[-] breadleyloafsyou@lemmy.zip 4 points 2 days ago

hexclad is not high quality. the metal on the pan creates hundreds or thousands of edges for the teflon to seperate from the pan into your food

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[-] SCmSTR 6 points 2 days ago

Different tools for different jobs. There's a ton more variables at play. Oversimplifying does just that.

Play with it all. Try to do both. Then you will have a better idea. Or post on lemmy asking everybody and read a lot of incomplete and possibly misleading explanations that might help you find the detail(s) you lack to edge your mind into a wider hunger for deeper understanding.

Mine? Cast iron is just different. Like using a truck vs using a car.

In real life, nothing is clear. So, when people give you clear explanations, they may be making the decision to not invest a lot of energy trying to get you to understand or know more. Like right now, I know that spectrum people take a lot of explaining sometimes, and I am really tired and going to bed, so my best advice is to understand they're different. Learn by doing if you can, and learn from others if you can. But, if it means anything, I use two cast iron skillets, three types of stainless steel pans, some of them tri-ply, and an aluminum with a nonstick coating. I have my preferences not just for different things, but styles of certain things, and even times for different things (like just cooking for me, or one other person, or multiple other people).

Also, generally with non-stick, using high heat or metal utensils on it will ruin it and expose you to pretty bad chemicals basically immediately. But also so does any smoke in general.

Literally pick your poison.

[-] Korhaka@sopuli.xyz 13 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Cast iron is fairly cheap and reliably buy it for life. Non stick pans are so delicate that you can't even use metal tools with them and their handles are usually plastic so melt if you put them in the oven, and even then they won't last more than a few years.

All of my pans are cast iron. For saucepans I have stainless steel. Never really had a problem with cleanup, what are you doing?

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