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It’s a very Linux thing.

People get very particular about their setups.

Hell yeah! Scratch that part about being dull and boring then!

Doesn't work for me either. Wayland broke my volume keys, and my left ctrl and caps lock keys. Also makes jellyfin go black.

X11 just works...

Which desktop are you using? The high dpi experience is desktop dependent until every one supports fractional scaling

Yeah I second this. I’ve been on wayland for a few years now and while my needs are pretty standard I also regularly need slightly-off-the-beaten-path features. Not everything used to always work, but in the last, I want to say 18 months, I never found my needs lacking.

Multiple monitors work, adaptive sync works, mic / webcam works, screen / window sharing works, remote desktop and wayland forwarding works, etc.

That’s not to say everything is guaranteed to work all the time, but I am surprised to see people saying that even today they always find something fundamental that is broken when they attempt to switch.

I use Talon voice. It's software that let's me use the pc still, due to write severe RSI.

However, Wayland doesn't allow a lot of functionality that tools like this need.

Therefore, anyone who requires a tool similar to Talon, needs X11.

KDE is out.

Yup.

X11 forwarding which I use extensively - I realize there's waypipe which is supposed to allow you to do this, but I've not had a chance to test this yet as there's always something else.

Remote desktop woes - Feels like a total crapshoot with this one, on a box I was experimenting with the build in RDP seemed to work ok, but being able to connect to the actual working desktop vs. start up a separate session that isn't connected to the running desktop doesn't seem to be a thing. aka, I could use x11vnc to connect to the running desktop or regular VNC to get a separate X session which wasn't attached to the monitor and didn't interfere with the desktop. There's probably a way to get this working but it seems this is all built into KDE or Gnome now instead of being separate functionality. Tell me if there's something I'm missing here.

Barrier - Keyboard and mouse sharing via network - I use this extensively and the break in compatibility is destructive for me.

OBS window capture - Just had this happen to me, went to update my streaming box and it swapped to wayland with no X11 option anymore, Ubuntu has completely dropped support, not even "you can install it yourself". So the pipewire window capture is woefully lacking in features, I'm not sure it had the ability for me to crop the captured window at all, which I need to capture a pixel perfect section of the window to line up the control pixels in the stream exactly. But even if that feature was hidden and I was missing it, when it tried to capture the window for the serializer it was utterly munged, smeared and stretched and total trash. Regular OS windows captured ok, but the serializer, which is a unity app, was unusable. A full restore of the out of date OS was required to get things working again.

Yeah, I realize I'm using all the most esoteric features in the world, but that's what makes X11 so damned functional, yeah it's crufty and old and has issues, but damn if it doesn't do all the things.

Edit: I'm sure if you just need it to do normal desktop things it works great.

Edit2: One more thing while everyone is going to be looking at this post, is there a way for me to set the display I want a window to show up on? I don't mean multiple monitors, I mean like I can be ssh'd into a box and set my display variable to DISPLAY=":0.0" and anything I run from that session with a GUI will show up on the main desktop display on the monitor, and if I have additional X sessions I can set it to :1.0 or whatever to have the window pop up on that one, does wayland have anything analogous to this where I can control where my windows appear from sessions not attached to the display manager at all?

The description in the ticket isn't too bad:

allows users to make a window disappear and keep only its title bar visible.

It really just hides the window contents. In effect, it is similar to minimizing a window, except that it doesn't spring into your panel and rather stays in place as just the window title bar without the contents.

It is a niche feature, if you couldn't tell. But it isn't some KDE specialty feature; various other desktops and window managers also support it. I think, it was more popular in the early days of graphical user interfaces, when we were still working out, how we want to do panels and such.

And conversely, I do think it makes more sense as a feature on big screens like you can have today, where your panel might be quite a bit away.
Don't think, window shading will make a big comeback just yet, but yeah, probably enough existing users that use it, so that it would be cool to support that workflow.