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[-] the_q@lemmy.zip 151 points 3 weeks ago

Linux is easier to use than trying to registry hack your way into a local account.

[-] Unknown_0671 92 points 3 weeks ago

no, im a linux user. if someone doesnt want to dedicate time to adopt and learn, linux isnt "easier". even if linux was as easy as windows (idk it can even be compared tbh); its different. different requires time and effort, if someone cant do that (for any reason, this isnt a judgement), its not an easy move.

[-] curbstickle@anarchist.nexus 43 points 3 weeks ago

My wife is not technical and has no interest in adopting and learning anything.

The web works the same way regardless of the OS, and LibreOffice has all the same features as Word that she uses.

The "hard part" is choosing and upgrading hardware, and maybe installation (depending on distribution).

I mention this because I think we should evaluate these differently. With a preloaded desktop/laptop, I've had no issues with anyone that actually relates to Linux (except my BIL who was trying to build an arcade stick for gaming).

Explaining to my other BIL how to select hardware for his custom build, that took some time, as did guiding him through the installation.

[-] Unknown_0671 30 points 3 weeks ago

im sorry but LibreOffice might have all the features of word but it certainly has a really bad user experience. i write often and libreoffice writer is difficult to say the least, not because of lack of features but a lack of most 'little things' and 'tweaks'. i can definitely see someone switching to libreoffice from word, but saying its not 'hard' is untrue or a biased take in my opinion and using both suites (more familiar with libre though lmao).

i do agree that for a mostly web based user as is commonplace nowadays, a preloaded linux thats been decently built is gonna be a significantly easy switch.

on a slight tangent, but linux for me was a way to rebuild my love for computers after windows systematically fucked things. and i really enjoy the learning process. so personally i still encourage people to spend the time in the learning process atleast a bit

[-] curbstickle@anarchist.nexus 31 points 3 weeks ago

i write often and libreoffice writer is difficult to say the least, not because of lack of features but a lack of most ‘little things’ and ‘tweaks’.

I think you're missing the fact that you are doing more 'expert' things than most here. The majority of the time, my wife opens a document she made once, saves as a new file (no, she's not using templates - don't get me started), and writes her invoice. She then PDFs it and sends it via email.

She does the same thing with Calc and a previously made blank "monthly calendar". Opens the blank, saves for the client, enters in the days and renames the month at the top, notes what she'll be doing for them on each day with an hour estimate, PDF and email.

That is the kind of thing most people do.

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[-] curbstickle@anarchist.nexus 16 points 3 weeks ago

I was seriously considering posting it but didn't want you to think I was being a dick about it 😀

[-] Unknown_0671 11 points 3 weeks ago

appreciated, reality checks are best served plain

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[-] Natanox@discuss.tchncs.de 16 points 3 weeks ago

Yeah, LibreOffice stuck with the old UI/UX for better and worse. Luckily we do have a nice selection of Office Suites in addition to them. OnlyOffice, WPS Office, Collabora, KDE Calligra, Softmaker Office… surely there's one for everyone on Linux.

Personally I like OnlyOffice.

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[-] Grumpy@sh.itjust.works 8 points 3 weeks ago

I would say give onlyoffice a try. It's not FOSS but does have free tier for home use and it's what I go to for non-main work computer. Beats libre imo.

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[-] CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 32 points 3 weeks ago

You need to dedicate time to adopt and learn how to get a local account on Windows and clear out the bullshit you don't want.

I recently switched to Linux. At first I was surprised at how easy it was to set up and get working, then I was annoyed at having to look up how to do every little thing I know how to do on Windows and considered switching back.

Then I booted into Windows and in less than 10 minutes was fed up the whole OS. I realized I had to look up things just as often as I was on Linux, but in Linux it was because I didn't know where it was, where as on Windows it was actively hidden from me and fighting me every step of the way.
Windows is in no way easier, It's just the struggle you've gotten so used to fighting with every single day that you've forgotten it exists.

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[-] wheezy@lemmy.ml 25 points 3 weeks ago

I don't disagree in general. However, my mom has been running Linux with a Windows XP skin for almost 8 years now without knowing she's using Linux. Literally just keeps her from running a random .exe and she does everything on a browser anyway.

[-] jcarax@beehaw.org 7 points 3 weeks ago

In my experience, it's usually power users or basic users with very specific application requirements, who have trouble moving between operating systems. There's usually a FOSS alternative to those applications, but often requires reworking a workflow or upskilling more than they want to. But they're still basic users so it's more a speed bump than a road block.

So yeah, most people can switch to MacOS without an issue, and the vast majority of those can switch to a distro like Fedora or Ubuntu and quickly feel comfortable.

Power users get stuck in this situation where they've learned how to do advanced things in Windows, have things tweaked to support more complex and peculiar workflows, but often don't understand the actual concepts behind them. And even if they do understand the concepts, they still have to learn the alternatives in a new OS, and rebuild their workflows. Now, there's a lot more ability to learn behind the scenes about the why and how with Linux and BSD, so I'd argue they'd be better off to just suck it up and get started, and they'll be better off before long.

[-] Unknown_0671 22 points 3 weeks ago

and i also say this as someone who is required to use windows at work. i despise windows, its so much harder for me to use windows given linux been my daily driver for a long time. im annoyed at powershell, explorer, clunky shortcut behaviors, etc just about every second im on windows. its a nightmare difficulty for me, but i also refuse to ever relearn windows stuff. i do remember a time when it wasnt annoying as fuck to use, could be nostalgia or that people just adopt.

using windows as a linux user is a nightmare. but if someone is adopted to windows, the opposite is gonna be similar no matter what.

[-] 7U5K3N@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 3 weeks ago

I also use windows for work. Shits stupid. Search in the start bar for an app that's installed on your PC? Let's open edge and show you web results. Want to copy something out of teams? Here's a copilot link you just accidentally clicked. Thanks for accepting that TOS.

I'd love some say on my work computer but alas I'm a grunt.

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[-] Chais@sh.itjust.works 18 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Well, the whole reason people have to "adopt and learn" is because M$ bought their way onto virtually every new PC sold back in the 90s, so people's first experience would be their "operating system."
Talk about leveraging anchoring bias.
I'd argue you'd have a hard time selling Windows to people if you were honest about it.

For just 145€ you get:

  • an operating system that assumes you're an inept idiot
  • ads in your application launcher
  • a screenshot taken every minute, which gets stored outside your control and analysed by "AI"
  • an invasive "assistant" that listens in on your microphone at all times
  • forced to create an account to log in to "your" machine, so we can collect even more personal data

Especially when the alternative is free and let's you do whatever you want with your hardware. And if you happen to misconfigure something you get to be an adult about it and learn from your mistakes.

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[-] ayyy@sh.itjust.works 13 points 3 weeks ago

I don’t think you realize just how complicated it has become to administer windows these days.

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[-] UberKitten 24 points 3 weeks ago
[-] Shirasho@lemmings.world 29 points 3 weeks ago

Can confirm. Just switched to Linux about 2 weeks ago. I am happy enough, but there was a brutal learning curve. This was for a distro that is user friendly, too. I was able to install just fine, but actually getting my environment set up is an ongoing process.

Many Linux distros are getting there, but they still aren't ready for casual users.

[-] meldrik@lemmy.wtf 28 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Wouldn’t you have the same experience if you moved from iOS to Android, never having used Android before? Does that make Android not ready for casual use?

If you have used Windows your whole life, there will definitely be a learning curve getting used to Linux and whatever desktop environment you choose to use.

I personally have better experience having casual users use Linux than Windows.

[-] TheRealKuni@piefed.social 14 points 3 weeks ago

In fact, one has a similar learning curve going from Android to iOS (as I learned when I transitioned to iPhone) even if iOS is broadly considered more “user friendly.”

I think you’re onto something. Switching to Windows would be painful to anyone used to Linux regardless of all the philosophical differences simply because the OS works differently. Lord knows I despise MacOS despite people who use it saying, “it just works.”

[-] meldrik@lemmy.wtf 6 points 3 weeks ago

I was only using "from iOS to Android" as an example. I believe it would be equally difficult going from Android to iOS. As you, I also despise using MacOS. It's a struggle, because I'm not used to it in any way.

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[-] orygin@piefed.social 12 points 3 weeks ago

I'm curious what setup you have to do?
I do some customization of KDE on my desktop, but for my laptops it's always install and use without the need to setup anything.

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[-] tomiant@piefed.social 12 points 3 weeks ago

I've been using Linux for 20 years. The learning curve is still too steep for me.

[-] UberKitten 6 points 3 weeks ago

get excited for a random system update to boot you to a GRUB rescue console soon!

[-] IrateAnteater@sh.itjust.works 7 points 3 weeks ago

When was the last time you used Linux? And what distro was it? Your complaints are a decade out of date.

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[-] bdonvr@thelemmy.club 6 points 3 weeks ago

I don't think the learning curve is any harder than someone who's learning Windows for the first time.

It's just different. Honestly in some ways simpler IMO. But if you were a life long Mac user and touched Windows for the first time today you'd probably have a rougher time I think.

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[-] the_q@lemmy.zip 17 points 3 weeks ago
[-] UberKitten 11 points 3 weeks ago

yep, I have used many linux distros for 20 years or so, and they are certainly much harder to migrate to than checks notes pressing two keys and running a command to get a local account.

good luck getting more than a few hours into a fresh linux install without needing to use a CLI, lol

[-] Bluegrass_Addict@lemmy.ca 11 points 3 weeks ago

yet you claim windows you need to also....checks notes run commands in cli

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[-] prole 8 points 3 weeks ago

Why is it acceptable to use command line to setup Windows, but not Linux?

Bottom line is, if you're not willing to put the minimal effort in, then you shouldn't ever complain about Windows being shit.

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[-] 42beansinapod@discuss.tchncs.de 12 points 3 weeks ago

I am a Linux user, I dual boot Kubuntu and Windows.

On Friday I bought a new game on steam, checked on protondb and it is platinum, tried to launch it and it failed. I tried 4 different proton compatability modes and it failed to launch each time. While I am a sysadmin and am well capable of troubleshooting it, I really just wanted to play that game so I rebooted into windows.

If I hadn't had that other win11 SSD in my machine, I would have had to not play that game because I had no energy to troubleshoot that on a friday night after fighting with linux all day at work.

Tldr: some times Linux is a seemless as Windows, but not always, even when it is supposed to be and is for others. Even if you have that activate windows watermark.

[-] Ilandar@lemmy.today 6 points 3 weeks ago

Nah, these "hacks" are very easy. Easier than installing and learning even the most basic of Linux distros.

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[-] HouseWolf@pawb.social 64 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

From the devs Github

KMS38 has now been removed from the MAS script. Users are advised to use HWID or TSforge activation instead.

So you can still activate Windows through the other means in the script already. I dunno the ins n' outs, of what makes one method better than another. When I checked it seemed HWID was the first option and the one most people use anyway sooooo...

[-] theangriestbird@beehaw.org 28 points 3 weeks ago

You're right, but still. Reduction of options is never good for the community.

[-] Lolen10@lemmy.dbzer0.com 28 points 3 weeks ago

Here are the differences between the methods: https://massgrave.dev/chart

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[-] Sir_Kevin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 27 points 3 weeks ago

One more reason never to install windows.

[-] Ceruleum@lemmy.wtf 24 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Windows has become too shitty to pay for. And now they do this.

[-] Engywuck@lemmy.zip 11 points 3 weeks ago

Always has been.

[-] SeeMarkFly@lemmy.ml 13 points 3 weeks ago

Instead of FIXING the problem.

[-] melroy@kbin.melroy.org 8 points 3 weeks ago

What is Windows?

[-] aReallyCrunchyLeaf@lemmy.ml 8 points 3 weeks ago
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[-] SabinStargem@lemmy.today 8 points 3 weeks ago

I am waiting for SteamOS Desktop to be released before abandoning Windows. Way I figure, that is the best way to get a 'casual' Linux, without scrimping on utility. Having Valve as the distro provider would also ensure that my flavor of Linux is stable, well supported, and documented.

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