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[-] Eq0@literature.cafe 103 points 1 month ago

I strongly believe (it’s a belief, not a fact), that appropriately controlled capitalism would be a good system. Then I look at all EU countries and the same problem pops up all the time: rich people get richer and richer. There should be a wealth cap of sorts. It’s unethical that some can have anything and everything while almost everyone else can’t.

Let’s then not talk about the control of the news/media that obviously follows from people accumulating wealth like literary dragons… or the whole lobbying industry…

So, I believe, but I also see all manners of counter-proofs all around me and I see no real solutions.

[-] cabbage@piefed.social 76 points 1 month ago

I think you might believe in market economy but not capitalism. Market economy is an economic system, capitalism is an ideology.

[-] nexguy@lemmy.world 30 points 1 month ago

Capitalism is really the private ownership of production within a market economy. I don't think that commenter was against private ownership, just more oversight in a capitalist system... which I think is workable.

[-] grue@lemmy.world 29 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

It's more specific even than private ownership. It's about allowing businesses to incorporate as entities with limited liability so that multiple owners can pool capital while shedding risk.

If every shareholder of, say, Nestlé, were criminally liable for every criminal act that Nestlé committed, it would obviously be impossible for such an entity to exist.

The main issue with capitalism is the way it facilitates scale without accountability.

[-] UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml 12 points 1 month ago

I think more oversight is a temporary solution. End stage capitalism is inevitable.

[-] RamenJunkie@midwest.social 9 points 1 month ago

Tax anyome with over 10million in "worth" at 100%.

If theynare caught chesting with loop holes, take it all and put them in jail for harming others like you would assault or murder.

[-] JargonWagon@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago

You could say that about any government system though. Every system will encounter someone or a group of people looking to corrupt and give gains to themselves. The endless pursuit of power and greed is what needs to be controlled, and as long as that's not controlled and seal tight, every government will eventually fall.

[-] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

Probably because there is some inherent flaw in human psychology that pushes many to hoard wealth and material objects to the point of absurdity, and somehow they or their like minded humans corrupt the system to allow more power and control consolidation. I don’t think we’ve manage to come up with a system that contains enough stabilizing rules to prevent wild excesses to damage the whole over time. There’s always going to be a segment that views themselves as exceptions and they will reshape, bend, and break rules to their advantage, and they’ll have their supporters.

I don’t think there’s any way to prevent people like that unless we have such rigid controls that society begins to look a different version of totalitarian, so is corruption, collapse and rebirth of all large systems inevitable?

[-] JargonWagon@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

I wouldn't say it'll always be inevitable, but I don't think any current systems in place or theorized are the answer. I think so long as people try to think of developing a system of government with that in mind, there will be many answers presented and we'll eventually find one that works.

[-] SabinStargem@lemmy.today 2 points 1 month ago

Personally, I think one way forward is to use both UBI and capitalism for necessities and luxuries. The UBI gives everyone what they need - utilities, food, basic shelter, supplies like mattresses and toothpaste, healthcare, transport, fuel, ect. However, all material objects are generic in appearance and function. Corndog #1 (Jumbo), all clothing is white and boring, ect. Capitalism is used for buying interesting items, bigger housing, and so forth.

People like their individuality, which is something that capitalism is terrific at supporting. Unfortunately, capitalism is also terrible at allowing people to survive and establish a foundation for success. Thus, separation of necessity vs luxury. All work is for earning the money to upgrade lifestyle.

There are other things that I have in mind for making things more egalitarian, such as making schooling into a paid job. Many seemingly weird reforms like that would be needed to make economics work for society, rather than the other way around.

[-] Eq0@literature.cafe 2 points 1 month ago

Indeed, I see nothing wrong with private ownership.

I believe it should be workable, but counter examples are uncountable.

[-] jjjalljs@ttrpg.network 21 points 1 month ago

There should be a wealth cap of sorts

Some sort of NG+

Once you reach a certain amount of wealth, you get a parade and then you give up all your wealth, get a new identity, and start over.

Maybe if you go over a certain wealth amount, you're entered into Open PvP mode.

[-] godfish@lemy.lol 2 points 1 month ago

In you reach a billion you get to the submarine level.

[-] Seefoo@lemmy.world 13 points 1 month ago

In software we say there are people problems and tool problems. You generally can't solve one type with the other.

I think this applies here. Almost all economic models have positives, but given a chance individuals will abuse it to skew things in their favor.

I dont really see a good solution out there unfortunately, so I settle on the one that has worked in the past which is regulation.

[-] CarbonIceDragon@pawb.social 12 points 1 month ago

At the end of the day, I think that the issue with this sentiment is that in some sense, control over something and ownership of that thing are virtually the same thing. If you have "appropriately controlled capitalism", then you have someone other than the capitalists ultimately deciding what the implements that drive the economy are used for and who the dividends are given to. If that someone is just some individual or small group controlling it to their own interests, then you just have an authoritarian system (and frankly, its not really different from a capitalist system that has become sufficiently consolidated for the number of rich owners controlling things to be very small anyway, since those guys will also run things to their own interest). If theres some kind of collective/societal-wide control mechanism, and its actually sufficient in its influence to prevent the abuses of capitalism, then it isnt really capitalism at all anymore because those private "owners" just have a legal fiction of ownership. At which point, their position is doubly useless, so there is little benefit to keeping up that illusion.

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[-] for_some_delta@beehaw.org 6 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

As a thought experiment, let's say we both have a paper route. We are not in direct competition, but I am unable to expand my route because doing so would be treading on your route. I stop being able to do my route. Anyone could pick up my route, but you are in a position to gain more from my route than someone new to the business. Thereby, you pick up an outsized share of the route. This crowds both new and existing potential route owners.

The example is only about capital accumulation and state involvement. There are other problematic issues such as wage labor as addressed by the comic.

[-] yakko@feddit.uk 6 points 1 month ago

Just about any economic system, if it was run perfectly, would be mostly fine.

The problem is people behave unwisely.

[-] becausechemistry@lemy.lol 12 points 1 month ago

It was so unwise of me to be born into the group of people without generational wealth

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[-] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

What do you mean when you say those words?

Edit: you're wrong about what you think you mean based on a false dichotomy with another profoundly stupid¹ system, but also I dont think you're using the right words for it, because the formal definitions of those words make your comment nonsense word salad.

¹still better than both what I'm guessing you mean and what the words you said usually mean

[-] jol@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 1 month ago

But capitalism expect constantly growing capital value right? How is that possible?

[-] jimmy90@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago

any solutions?

anything?

anything at all

useless

[-] Blackmist@feddit.uk 3 points 1 month ago

Every week we hunt and eat the richest one.

[-] liuther9@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago

It is like you join new MMORPG and get fuked by 1kkk lvl players where you barely can get to lvl 10

[-] ProfThadBach@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

I see you play Ultima Online.

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[-] qevlarr@lemmy.world 76 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

This is the artist: https://newsie.social/@royaards

His cartoons are amazing and he's not afraid to call a spade a spade. Often Dutch politics, but also some international topics

[-] hakunawazo@lemmy.world 9 points 1 month ago

I like how P. the carpenter is depicted shirtless.

[-] bold_atlas@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago

It's like if incredible cross sections did a book on politics.

[-] P1k1e@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

These are brilliant

[-] Blackmist@feddit.uk 25 points 1 month ago

Nationalism is the same, with the guy at the top shouting "watch out, those foreign lads are going to steal your crumbs!"

[-] 0x0@lemmy.zip 24 points 1 month ago
[-] 1985MustangCobra@lemmy.ca 15 points 1 month ago

that's me falling because of my BPD

[-] CluckN@lemmy.world 13 points 1 month ago
[-] Squirrelanna 18 points 1 month ago

Being poor disorder.

[-] 1985MustangCobra@lemmy.ca 8 points 1 month ago

borderline personality disorder

[-] nutbutter@discuss.tchncs.de 10 points 1 month ago
[-] Strawberry 4 points 1 month ago

Still one of the best episodes

[-] Resonosity@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 1 month ago

Reminds me of the comics from the early 1900s!

[-] ICCrawler@lemmy.world 8 points 1 month ago

JFC that's apt.

[-] ValarieLenin@midwest.social 6 points 1 month ago

Gd does this one slap.

[-] BilSabab@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago

that's hyperrealist.

[-] Phegan@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago

It will trickle down any day now, bro

[-] buddascrayon@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Never before in my life have I ever seen more accurate depiction of trickle down economics.

[-] NauticalNoodle@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

wow, there's a lot going on in that comic.

[-] PieMePlenty@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

Just a little too on the nose for my taste, but great non the less.

[-] Matombo@feddit.org 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

you mean like this? (same artist)

[-] PieMePlenty@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

Exactly like this :D

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