Implementing useless features and fixing nothing since 1975.
I mean, it's a useful feature.... But only if you have a good company culture.
if you have a good company culture you don't use teams
Which is as probable as winning the lottery.
They exist, but people don't leave them once there, so new jobs don't come up as often.
I'd argue they evaporte more and more every year as companies are acquired or if they get a new CEO that's all about cutting costs blindly without any regard for quality or quality of life.
Not many left.
Yes, I worked at one of those pre-covid. I remember my colleague leaving her laptop and work phone on her desk at the end of the day around 4pm. We also had small offices with 2-4 people in a historical building right in the city center.
Then we merged with a bigger company, their culture ate us, and all the best people left, the rest are sitting in an open office at the edge of the city. Funny enough, I worked on the merger as one of the leads, I was so happy getting an oportunity like that while young. Now looking back I realized that it was a bad thing we have done (not that we had a choice), and the end result is worse for employees, customers, and even shareholders.
Agreed. I feel like I’m in one, and the things that make us thrive are being tested like an immune system, against what feels like a deliberate Maek Number Go Up infection. It’s stressful and I can only try to trust that it’s necessary. I guess we have to keep that stock number up or else we get bought and destroyed by a competitor.
Not a fan of this whole system sometimes.
I have an awesome job. But its probably because of the union.
I mean... Is it really spying? Your company can detect which AP or Switch you're connected to (or if you're using a VPN from home), so they do have that data anyways.
There's a huge difference between a piece of data being recorded in a SIEM somewhere and the data being displayed up front all of the time for micro managers to pounce on.
It’s just like ai photo generation. Yes it could always be done with photoshop/checking network logs but making it easier for more people/managers to see encourages more bad behavior and micromanagement.
if they bother setting it up
Yeah this is shitty managers wet dream coming through.
Shitty managers are already breathing down your neck though, they didn’t exactly wait for this piece to be major annoyances….
Now they can breathe down your neck from the comfort of their own home!
Well, surely someone will set it up for you... For a fee
Maybe even a subscription, why not
yeah and possibly that's microsoft's plan
yes
just wait till you learn about how accurate hot desking software is.
Jesus Christ, if you didn't think your company knew if you were in one building or another before today, you're a fucking idiot.
Fun fact, you can use most of teams through teams.microsoft.com
Do yourself and your coworkers a favor and minimize how often Teams is running. If anyone asks just say the desktop version was buggy - no one who has used teams will deny it.
Teams is so slow and is missing so many quality of life features.
Luckily this kind of data is illegal to use in Norway
This seems like surveillance disguised as a mostly useless feature. If you are in the office and logging into a video call, you’re probably using the hardware in a conference room and not your own laptop. That hardware will already display the room you are calling from to everyone on the call.
The only reason for this feature is to tattle on people who aren’t where they say they are.
Teams usually always runs in the background
There's a whole bunch of ways to do that already. This isn't really new
Not for the average spineless middle manager. This puts the data in their hands without having to get any approval from anyone in IT
Just keep moving the Wifi APs for maximum chaos and open bug reports to Mircosoft since location service is unreliable.
Teams isn't the program actively spying on people (yet), that's Viva engage.
So if I'm reading this right, won't a VPN totally fuck with the system? Cause its a nessessity for some to get into local networking.
No, because this isn't looking at networking, it's looking at wifi access points
So if I'm using something lime Cisco secure client this bypasses the default security? I'm still missing something here.
Yes. Teams is software that runs on your computer. Based on what's described here, it's now going to ask the wifi driver what access points are available
Then it will send that info through the VPN along with the voice and video
How does that work when I remote into a Windows Virtual Desktop in Azure and use that for teams? This is probably 80% of my teams use.
Or use a Linux device? Will it tell teams my networking information?
It theoretically could through the azure remote desktop client since Windows owns every part of that stack and has no concept of not stealing all data. It probably doesn't because it would involve coordination between several teams
It could work on Linux, but probably doesn't because the Linux version of software tends to have more autonomy and better priorities
Guess we will find out!
I guess the only part of this that is remarkable is that they are doing it with Teams.
Just create a wifi mirroring the one you use at work at home, done.
That’s what I do to get our company ”protection suite” to open up the firewall when I’m outside company network - just set the same Wifi SSID and IP range.
I feel like they would at least do it by the interface MAC address.
Yeah, I was also thinking that cloning the Gateway or AP MAC address would help obscure what we're doing 🤣
You are correct, but you would have to read more that the title of this post to know that. To copy what op already cited:
set the work location accordingly to the respective building.
It will only tell you in which building the person is, not in which room.
And yes, the company still has to tell teams which building has which Wi-Fi SSN. So this is completely on the company to enable and configure
Oops read it slightly wrong :!
Sure there is.
Keep a database of bssid’s and their gps coordinates.
Triangulate your location by the bssids around you and their signal strength.
You can use the netsh command in windows to see this info. You can use an app like geomac to see the location info of bssid’s from google, apple, Microsoft, and others.
I don't connect to the company wifi at all. No good can come from that.
I love company Wi-Fi. I love company. pays my money. connect directly to my tight holes
Since consumers hate AI, the only way to keep the bubble going is by pivotting hard to selling worker surveillance software to businesses and trying to normalize the culture of it, Microsoft is a loser company.
Previously, Teams already offered the option to manually set the work location. This is intended, for example, to help colleagues orient themselves in a large office complex or on a campus. With the upcoming update, this process will be automated by the software determining – likely by comparing details such as the IP address or MAC address of the router – whether one is actually on-site.
ahahahaha what a bullshit excuse
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