Because sadly, the attitudes and views of people making up Jan 6 are shared by a large proportion of the US population, even if they would not have participated given the means/opportunity.
Jan 6 is viewed by them with analogous sentiment to how the left views civil disobedience for civil rights movements, regardless of the substance/justice of the event.
The Democrats were been so certain it was they nominated an black asian woman. I like Harris but obviously rednecks aren't ready for that.
It wasn't the rednecks that decided not to have a primary and run a man so senile they made Trump look lucid.
...me, neither...
Because half the fucking country is treating it like sports.
I thought I understood this as a Canadian until this current World Series. "My team good, your team bad." Then I saw comments from the fanbases of the teams that the Blue Jays faced, and now I understand that people are absolutely deranged. Calling for violence for opposing players for daring to face their team? Yikes.
And this is literally just a game. It doesn't actually have a bearing on people's lives in the long term. (Except the actual teams, I guess.) No wonder American politics is the way it is. Unfortunately, parts of Canada are trying to emulate this here, too.
There's something going on for sure. For many years, we were able to have sports without death threats.
I suspect it has something to do with the current attempts to manipulate people. We have news and politicians trying to pit us against each other and calling for violence against non-violent people. It's the Jose took your lunch kind of thing, and the conditioning feels like it's running rampant.
I worry about Canada; I don't think your people are emulating it. I think they're being influenced and are the next target.
I'm awfully tired of unprecedented times, but I fear we're setting the new bar for precedent.
Mine was George Floyd. When I saw so many people stand up and say that man deserved death over a bounced check I knew they lost their damn mind.
The idea that death is an acceptable outcome from being suspected of any minor infraction underpins the conversation around basically every police killing, with every single person on the side justifying it being tacitly accepting of that premise.
It's lunacy.
A few years after 9-11 for me. I grew up watching my classmates sing songs about indiscriminately bombing people in Afghanistan, and news reports of people being beaten or killed in the US for wearing any clothing that appeared Middle-Eastern. It made me sick to my stomach.
Nobody deserves to die... Even if they're.. uh... charlie kirk... No I think that one's ok.
I heard his neck just did that
My take on Charlie is that I'm not surprised.
I'll never understand how Biden just let that go. He should have made it impossible for Trump or any of the other criminals from the previous administration to participate in politics again.
If I were Biden, locking all those traitors up would have been priority number one. Had they done that, the world would be a much better place.
A legacy of cordiality and decorum that allowed fascism back in.
They all should have been on a plane to Gitmo before the sun set on inauguration day.
If not then, the very instant the supreme court ruled that anything the president does is legal as long as it's an official act.
There are Americans that believe Trump has never lied. Like ever. About anything. He is truth. Some Americans actually believe this.
So they have no capacity to think logically, not even a tiny bit? Or do they just have no capacity in remembering stuff?
They are literally brainwashed. I do not know what the solution to that is.
They don’t want to think. At all. Just listen to what they’re told by fox or Facebook and get comfort in hating some group(s) “ worse than them “ while they believe they’re better than most people. They’re fully delusional.
Well the answer to "why did people still support Trump after Jan 6th" is actually "Jan 6th."
Those people that came to DC and walked to the Capitol and stormed out are Americans who were a) pissed off and b) willing and able to travel and march and attack on behalf of Trump.
That's not nothing in terms of power and influence. And it's indicative of a BUNCH of people who met condition (a) but not (b). Like probably an order of magnitude or more.
Since no Republican stepped up to steal those supporters from Trump by pointing out how absolutely un-American Jan 6th was, they stayed loyal to him. So the politicians followed, the owners followed, and the media followed.
That's not quite correct. In 2021 we saw quite a few Republicans calling out January 6th as un-American, unacceptable political violence, etc, etc. The prosecution of the J6 ringleaders had wide bipartisan support. Plenty of Republicans tried to take the mantle of leadership from Trump in the belief that Republicans wouldn't support a criminal who'd attempted a coup.
But here's the thing: You're absolutely correct to say a ton of Americans implicitly supported January 6th. There were an enormous number of Americans who believed the 2020 election was stolen, or who, at the very least, had questions about it. There were a lot of conservative Americans who supported J6 because they believed having a conservative President was more important than following the law. And then there were the anons who believed in the Q conspiracy and were cheering on January 6th because they believed Trump was finally, as prophesied, going to declare martial law, dissolve the US government, and purge America of the secret cabal of billionaire Democrat child abusers - and if I remember the polls correctly, roughly one in four Republicans believed in Q.
And almost everyone in the United States - including those Republican Party leaders who tried to take the mantle of leadership from Trump - underestimated how widespread support for J6 was on the right.
And the more Biden's FBI tried to tie Trump to January 6th, tried to get him on whatever charges they could manage, the more Trump looked like a victim of political persecution instead of a failed candidate who couldn't accept defeat. The more Biden pressured social media to censor "election denial", the more it looked like the Biden administration had something to hide.
So as time passed, the "election deniers" got more and more common, and got more and more influence in the Republican Party - and ordinary rank and file Republicans heard over and over again that Trump was a victim of persecution and ordinary conservatives were being censored for supporting him, and became more and more loyal to Trump. Supporting Trump in 2024 became a loyalty test - Republicans supported him because Biden was trying so hard to have him convicted and disqualified from running for office, and choosing another candidate felt like giving in.
And as they rose in power, the Republicans who thought January 6th was unacceptable got quieter and quieter, because it became more and more obvious Trump was going to be the candidate in 2024, and they knew better than to piss him off.
In other words - as disgustingly ironic as it is - Democratic attempts to get justice for January 6th were one of the biggest reasons Trump was reelected in 2024.
A Trump voter from 2016 told me that he thought of Trump as a brick he was throwing at the window of The System. He started from the position that the system is broken and needs to be torn down before anything can be improved. I think that’s pretty stupid logic - people routinely underestimate the importance of incremental improvement.
But that’s what the thinking is anyway. The more we hate Trump the happier they are. He exists to knock our teeth out, personally if need be, but more importantly, collectively, as a system. Taking a shit on the floor of Congress? That’s all in the game.
"Cave man smash!" Is how I refer to that logic.
No issue with tearing down the system to me. But people need to realize that Donny's not tearing anything down besides the East wing
I understand it.
People are paying 30% more to live now than they did before. No one cares about a person's politics if they claim they'll put food on your table.
This chart is the whole story. Unfortunately people don't understand how the economy lags behind everything and Trumps recent actions are going to make the surge from COVID checks look like a blip.
It didn't lag behind for the rich.
It only lagged behind for the poor.
For four years, and Biden had all the power he needed to make real change for the poor, as evidenced by the last ten months.
There’s no one in the party that knows how to fix any of the problems they continue to create. Like forgiving college loans, but not changing the incentives to raise college prices. They could have allowed student loans to default, anything really. No one’s suggesting real change, just hand outs and corporate marauding.
The voting base went right along with this, “ ya forgive my loan, but leave the exploitative system for my children. “ that’s politics, fix my immediate grievances and pay no mind to the future or bad structures we build
January 6 gave the Nazis hope and basically exposed how easy it is to topple the government if they have law enforcement on their side.
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