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During an interview with trans journalist and writer Izzy Dine, published online on Tuesday (21 October), the women and equalities minister was asked what bathroom she thought Dine and other trans women should currently be using.

In September, Phillipson, who is currently running the Labour deputy leadership candidacy, was handed the Equality and Human Rights Commission’s (EHRC) code of practice on single-sex services, which could result in a bathroom ban for trans people.
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Asked what bathroom trans women should currently be using, Phillipson appeared unable to give a clear answer, instead simply restating the ruling, the full impact of which remains unclear: “As Minister for Women and Equalities, I set out the policies responding to the Supreme Court judgement. The Supreme Court were clear that, uh, for the purposes of the Equality Act, sex is biological sex.

“What’s now happening is the Equality and Human Rights Commission have, uh, have consulted on a code of practice to me as the minister. I’ll then be going through that line by line to make sure we get that right. It’s a 300-page document so it will take some time.”

Dine then pointed to interim guidance from the EHRC, which included a clause banning trans women from men’s toilets as well as women’s. The guidance has since been repealed.

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[-] FarceOfWill@infosec.pub 5 points 22 hours ago

The supreme court also didnt mention toilets. Not once.

Given unisex toilets exist, in some shopping centers etc., how can it be proportionate to ban trans men or women from other toilets? Makes no sense to me.

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[-] HumanPenguin@feddit.uk 2 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago)

While I fully agree with who cares.

On an entirely logical basis. The existence of unisex toilets is not an arguement against others interpretation. It's entirely a labelling issue. Most homes have unisex toilets as well. No oneusing them has any expectations of gender use.

While those arguing against trans use. Logically (although not morraly or scientifically) have an argument that the room is labelled to limit sex if not gender.

Personally I think all public toilets should be unisex. It has multiple advantages.

  1. cubical provide privacy. And in a world where sexual orientation is accepted. Considering privacy an entirely gender related issue is overtly Victorian as an idealism.

  2. Ignoring the lack of evidence of men possing as trans to attack women in a single sex bathroom. Such a threat if it existed would only be unique to such areas due to the lack of expectations of male use. Having both sexes expecting to use the room. And to provide each other with privacy and respect. would provide normal public oversight on any activities.

  3. All gender users should be more likely to have a desire to show an attitude of minimal cleanliness. The use and abuse of single sex public bathrooms, both male and female. Seems to be a unique behaivior invoked when people do not expect to be judged by the opposite sex.

[-] FarceOfWill@infosec.pub 1 points 19 hours ago

The only interpretation im considering is the supreme courts. By theirs, the concept of a biological sex defined space for toilets doesnt work.

[-] HumanPenguin@feddit.uk 1 points 10 hours ago

Agreed. But the court dose not make laws. They only get to interpret it.

Be sure to remember it is parliament that can and must fix this. Unfortunately laws will and always have been written in the accepted Lang and ideals of the time. As such they will always need updating to pass evolving ideals.

Unfortunately that has always taken effort from the public to sell and force politicians and in evolved arseholes to accept changes are needed.

[-] kbal@fedia.io 32 points 1 day ago

I was in a big multi-user unisex bathroom type of situation for the first time in my life the other day, in a shopping centre. I thought nothing of it until a couple members of the opposite sex walked in while I was there, and decades of training made me think for a moment that someone was in the wrong place. That feeling must be why it's such a big political issue. Took me at least ten seconds to get over it.

[-] ArchEngel@lemmy.ca 11 points 1 day ago

Yeah, the first couple times I felt confused/surprised, but these bathrooms are so much better - the ones I've been in have had the most excellent stalls.

[-] hellothere@sh.itjust.works 13 points 1 day ago

I have some sympathy with Phillipson here, the current guidance is an absolute shit show and whatever she says she'll get shit from transpeople, or from terfs.

But that all said, be better.

[-] i_am_not_a_robot@feddit.uk 6 points 1 day ago

What they need to do is fix the Equality Act.

[-] HumanPenguin@feddit.uk 1 points 9 hours ago

Exactly this. The job of parliament is to maintain and update laws as society understanding changes.

Refusing to address an issue because a tiny paranoid section of society is scared with zero evidence of the risk they fear. Is just refusing to do that job.

But (and ,oat know this but it needs pointing out.) younger people not voting allows politicians to delay addressing issues. Hence why so many laws have taken so long to change.

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