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Yeah but their pastor said liberals eat babies. So deal's off.
They are trained from a very young age to obey and never question authority. It's pretty much part of the religion.
There's a whole lot of tribalism going on here, woof.
Apparently 'perfect is the enemy of good' has been lost to time.
It's true. If you're a progressive who wants all the progressive things and calls yourself a liberal, you're the worst human who ever lived. The only thing worse would be to say you voted for a Democrat. I mean. We're on the left, not the super-far-right like the Democrats.
(/s because I'm told it's not clear what things mean unless one puts a /s in it)
Isn’t that because of progressivism? Liberalism is free markets and small government and all that shit. Stop letting the lib shits claim these wins.
Liberal is progressive in America. Lemmy mostly doesn’t want to know that.
No it doesn't. Just because they might end up voting for the same party (because there are only two fucking choices) does not make them the same at all.
I mean in the semantic sense. The AM radio waves aren't filled with vitriol for people that support a capital-based economy.
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Unless you are saying the U.S. had a socialist majority in government when each of these rights/principles became allowed... It was the liberals you speak of that voted them in. Are we going to say Woodrow Wilson had a socialist administration that voted for Women's Suffrage?
A man gave women the right to fight rather than folks fighting for social progress is the liberal narrative we all grew up with. I mean you can hear the same thing on NPR when they talk about the history of Labor Day.
Progressive movements caused social change. Through political pressure. It wasn't given to us by liberals.
Clearly you aren’t splitting hairs enough. Take your good and add an “ism”… then multiply it by a couple “ists”… and finally divide it by purity…
And the result is basically the same fucking thing, but with a remainder that gives excuses for simple minded folks to disagree…
Yeah, sometimes it is just bargaining chips. Otherwise they have to classify the Richard Nixon administration as being progressive for voting to give women the right to open credit accounts without a male co-signer.
The meme says “liberalism is the reason”, it doesn’t say “liberals voted these in”. You can be a liberal and lean towards progressivism, but that stil doesn’t make these things part of liberalism, it’s still progressivism.
Liberal doesn't mean the same thing here as it does elsewhere, it's a dumb thing to argue over. Liberal has no ties to who owns the means of production in the U.S.
I see no one complaining about how the paints were sourced in liberal arts. Words have different meanings in different contexts.
In this context it's people trying to claim people sound uneducated while really coming across uneducated. If you say different then never say that culture means anything nor exists when someone tramples someone else's.
Same word, different meaning in different regions
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New Zealand, Finland and the USSR were the first to make that a reality. Spearheaded by trade union movements and communists.
Work
The Soviet Union was the first country to establish legal equality in pay and employment for women, and then followed by the PRC and the wide amount of time of socdem movement in the nordic countries.
File for divorce
France was the first, with the french revolution. Then came the Soviet Union and after it the PRC.
Buy a credit card
To be honest this is absurd, but indeed the US was the first as far as I can remember. Having the right to drown in debt is good i guess.
Buy a home or a car
US and UK did indeed pioneer that, but it was with more focus on married women. Actual acts focused just on women were implemented by the Soviet Union with collective property and gender equality laws.
Driver's license
There were little to no formal bans for that, social stigma was and is real though. Still an issue.
Pregnant and not get fired
USSR pioneered that in 1918, with labor codes protecting working mothers. Followed by the nordic socdem movement and the US only in the 1978
Husband can go to jail for beating you
USSR again, was the first to criminalize domestic battery in 1918. Although enforced unevenly it was legally punishable. Western Europe and the Northern America started it in 1970s with implementation continued to 1990s.
Many of the achievements listed are not of liberalism or neoliberalism, they were achievements of activists and unions working in a group to protect their collective interests. In many of the cases it was the Soviet Union with the revolution spearheading these rights, because the revolution itself was started by working class women. The nordics followed with their own social democrat feminist movement. In many things the PRC came before the neoliberal states in achievements of women's rights, and that is a state that was ravaged by war and imperialism for years. Liberalism gave little to nothing, it maintained the hierarchies, and silenced the movement. Both democrats and republicans both do not care about women's rights. They are both parties of the same right wing on the fascist eagle.
So this is almost definitely referring to social liberalism, not economic/classical liberalism which is an entirely different thing. Some ideas of social liberalism overlap with progressivism and even socialism.
The US happens to have two parties that are liberals - but it's two different varieties of liberalism. Republicans are classical liberals whereas democrats for the most part are social liberals
No, that’s all due to leftism. Liberals just took credit for them, and have prevented leftists from protecting them.
Okay but “leftism” is just a made-up word like “cromulent” and “hypothetical”.
I mean...if you want to be pedantic, and I always do, every word is made-up. That's how words work. Don't have a word for something? Make it up from nothing, or by smashing two or more words together (lookin at you my German fam 😘👉) or just borrow a word from a different language. That's literally just how words work. It's all made up.
So true. Or as William Burroughs said, “Language is a virus from outer space.”
yeah but "leftism" really embiggens the wordostrophe
You’ve really ponked on the big kamimbo there, no refutinating that.
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Count on the Internet to bring out the pedantic comments. "Liberal" is the word used to describe pretty much anything on the "Left" in the USA.
Keep making your divisive posts about the "Liberals" vs the "Left" though. Trying to make sure you aren't boxed in with any other "Left" pointing groups will definitely help bring people together to change the current state of things...
Getting people to not be conservative is how you change the state of things. Liberalism is a conservative viewpoint by definition in the us. It is not left wing,' as its not revolutionary nor progressive in any way.
Liberals dont want the state of things to change in a positive way. By definition.
Looks like my comment went over your head. You are exactly what I'm talking about.
I understand your point, but it's pedantic either way.
It's really not, and I understood your kumbayah nonsense.
'Liberals' do not want to see the atrocities that the us does.
That is the difference between them and MAGA. They do not want to stop anything trump is doing. They want to be at brunch while it is happening.
That is the fundamental problem. Half of Harris voters supported Donald trumps 2016 immigration policy. As that is what harris ran on. The other half was okay with genocide as long as it didn't happen to them.
Still missing my point. I agree with your stance wholeheartedly. It's a semantics problem. The point of communication is to get an idea across, and you're hard stuck on this pictures usage of the word liberal.
I don't know if you're not from the US, but I am, and what I've described is how that word is interpreted in the US.
It's not semantics to be against incorrectly used, inclusive language when it includes two groups that couldnt have less to do with each other.
It's like saying "humans sexually assault dogs." And being mad when someone points out that humans dont generally do that, just creepy zoophiles.
Correcting language is the first step to correcting ideas, and thats the first step to fixing undeveloped countries like the us.
That is semantics friend. You're describing semantics. We disagree on the meaning of a word, because colloquially it means one thing while it means something else in other definitions.
Also your analogy is bad. You're describing a generalization or the formation of a stereotype.
Correcting language IS NOT how you correct ideas. You correct ideas by making people experience a difference in emotion.
You are wrong
Care to expand? Maybe read Rules For Radicals and you can tell me why I'm wrong.
Liberals dont want the state of things to change in a positive way. By definition.
Liberalism - a political and moral philosophy based on the rights of the individual, liberty, consent of the governed, political equality, right to private property, and equality before the law.
Not sure where you're getting your definition from. Seems like you're just kind of making your own up.
...the left wing of the French parliment was revolutionary. That defines left wing, leftist, left leaning, etc. The right wing was conservative. This is where we get out definitions. Both parties in the US are liberal. Specifically neoliberal.
Therefore advocating for liberalism, is, by definition, right wing. They dont want a change, because they believe they've achieved it. And by their definition, they have.
Liberalism isnt progressive. It isnt radical nor revolutionary. It was in the 1700s. It hasn't been since the 1700s.
Sorry bud. You said by definition. Then you proceeded to interpret your own definition using the history of multiple nations.
You can't go around saying "by definition" when it isn't the definition. Words matter. Maybe not to you, but they matter.
No, buddy, you read the wrong definition. I corrected that for you. Please reread and then try again.
By the definition of left wing, liberals are not left wing in the us.
Hope that is more clear and good luck on your ESL journey.
Hey, I didn’t pick that fight. A bunch of super geniuses started shouting liberals suck in every thread and my position is they’re doing it wrong.
Count on the Internet to bring out the pedantic comments. "Liberal" is the word used to describe pretty much anything on the "Left" in the USA.
See all those downvotes from people who “disagree” with your well obvious fact? That’s bullshit. If people can learn new and interesting things from other countries, why can’t this be one of those things?
The answer I’ve gotten is ‘shut up, Americans should change the words they use’. As someone who’s said that often enough myself, I can reliably inform them that is not going to happen.
So they can either learn it or not, but it is the case. This meme being one small example.
Agreed. People are trying so hard to be correct that they don't want to be on the same side, they'd rather pick a flight.
If the same side is “liberals suck”, yeah that’s gonna be a fight. Why would people deliberately piss off the majority of progressive voters in the US? Unless they wanted fascism to win. Again.
LOL liberalism.
American dumb
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