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Do you like systemd? (discuss.tchncs.de)
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[-] BartyDeCanter@lemmy.sdf.org 149 points 3 weeks ago
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[-] SatansMaggotyCumFart@piefed.world 87 points 3 weeks ago

Systemd is the greatest innovation that Linux has ever seen bar none.

[-] Trainguyrom@reddthat.com 44 points 3 weeks ago

Since I started actually doing system administration and actually interacting directly with SystemD all of the hate for it I'd soaked up from enthusiast forums melted away. I've never used any of the other init systems so maybe I'm missing out, but I do appreciate SystemD for what it does

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[-] elvith@feddit.org 85 points 3 weeks ago

Rule 34:

If there's a user base, there's buttplug.io support...

[-] Deme@sopuli.xyz 34 points 3 weeks ago

Error: That number is already picked for a different rule. Please select a different number.

[-] elvith@feddit.org 14 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Sigh

sudo Rule 34:

If there's a user base, there's buttplug.io support...

--force

[-] snooggums@piefed.world 12 points 3 weeks ago

If you used the right amount of lube you wouldn't have to force!

[-] ODGreen@lemmy.ca 17 points 3 weeks ago

Let's hope the user base is flared.

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[-] TimeSquirrel@kbin.melroy.org 69 points 3 weeks ago

Okay, so, this place IS filled with furries. Cool.

[-] Cassa 65 points 3 weeks ago

Linux wouldn't work without furries

[-] cadekat@pawb.social 44 points 3 weeks ago

Every online space is filled with furries, especially the most furry-hostile spaces!

[-] kameecoding@lemmy.world 13 points 3 weeks ago

That's disgusting, I prefer furry-hostile tabs!

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[-] rtxn@lemmy.world 16 points 3 weeks ago

We're all shipping the penguin and the wildebeest.

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[-] xxce2AAb@feddit.dk 62 points 3 weeks ago

Must your climax be fueled by our frustrations? Vibrators are cheap, you know.

[-] harmbugler@piefed.social 12 points 3 weeks ago

It’s just not the same

[-] ivanafterall@lemmy.world 47 points 3 weeks ago

I still don't get what you guys have against Windows. Bill Gates has done so much good for the world.

(My body is ready.)

[-] _cryptagion@anarchist.nexus 20 points 3 weeks ago

I don't mind all the ads, they're always for things I was just thinking I needed to buy anyway.

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[-] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 46 points 3 weeks ago

Please tell me your phone has a flared base?

[-] JackbyDev@programming.dev 39 points 3 weeks ago

I don't get the systemd hate. The most common complaint I see is that it's too bloated, but Arch uses it, so what gives? Is it just that people dislike change? Like Wayland hate (not Wayland frustration)?

[-] erev@lemmy.world 17 points 3 weeks ago

So people hate on systemd because they interpret it as an init system thats gone too far and has thus violated the unix principle. in reality systemd is an entire suite of tools based around a very feature rich and robust service management suite that also includes an init system. there is something to be said about the Linux ecosystem's reliance on systemd, but there are no comparable tools. this is why Arch uses systemd. if you dont want to use systemd, you can use distros like Arco Linux; however currently Gnome no longer works on Arco

[-] Verat@sh.itjust.works 13 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Part of the problem with it is that it is very difficult not to use it, for instance if your code uses dbus, that makes systemd a dependency and almost all of the tools are like this. Want to use alternate software with systemd init? A-OK! want to use systemd tools without systemd init? Too bad! This inter-dependence is what I think makes it break the unix philosophy, its components dont like to be replaced or used outside of the "intended" environment of systemd init, keeping it from being replaced without breakage on lot of systems.

On my install for instance, systemd is roped in by xdg-user-dirs (and hence steam), flatpak, fcitx5, and cups. And that is just a few. So the init system isnt a problem to me, the lack of drop-in replacements for its suite of tools is.

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[-] PiraHxCx@lemmy.ml 17 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

From what I heard, people hate systemd because Linus Torvald was approached by the NSA to create a backdoor on Linux, he said it wouldn't be possible to change the kernel because there were too many eyes on it, there was a mysterious hack of kernel.org introduced a mysterious code but it was spotted and removed... well, what was the only other thing common to all Linux? The sysv-init, but it was too small, too tight, too specific for them to create a backdoor there, they needed something big, bloated, doing way more than it should do, like it was just supposed to start the system but it can also do unrelated stuff like handling DNS, and an American company shows up bringing systemd, that solved all the problems the NSA had to create a backdoor on Linux, and all distros jumped into the honeypot :)

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[-] ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 15 points 3 weeks ago

I'm more frustrated with GNOME devs sabotaging Wayland.

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[-] jj4211@lemmy.world 14 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Generally I see a few:

  • People wanting the highly deterministic, but slower behavior of the rc scripts.
  • People liking the fact that the rc startup was generally almost entirely defined in plain script files
  • Some folks criticizing certain opinionated things in systemd, as systemd delves deeper into things like capabilities and users.
  • Systemd can sometimes be a bit weird about how it does/does not capture stdout/stderr as one might guess in some situations.
  • Some folks not liking the journald angle of binary-only files

Mainly the last point is the only one I personally find potentially aggravating, but since I never really am in a broken system without journalctl I'm not too bothered by it. I have saved myself some effort thanks to systemd including stuff that the daemons used to provide for themselves.

[-] tetris11@feddit.uk 14 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

People wanting the highly deterministic, but slower behavior of the rc scripts.

This is literally it for me. I got to work on an alpine system and it was like a breath of fresh air - I could edit the service script files directly. So easy, so little abstraction

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[-] nialv7@lemmy.world 30 points 3 weeks ago

may i ask you to kindly provide the source of this image?

[-] real_squids@sopuli.xyz 21 points 3 weeks ago

frenky_hw, here's the specific image: twitter (hopefully it is, twitter doesn't work for me rn)

[-] CannedYeet@lemmy.world 29 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

I just like being able to use things I learn across Ubuntu, Debian, Arch and RHEL.

Also prefixing a command with systemd-cat and having the logs go to the journal is pretty nice. Then I don't have to worry about rotating them.

[-] krooklochurm@lemmy.ca 26 points 3 weeks ago

Listen, we've all done it.

We all have bash or fish or zsh aliases to do it in command.

We all love the feeling of a pulsing phone in our asses.

But we don't talk about it.

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[-] floquant@lemmy.dbzer0.com 22 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Systemd is fine.

Journald is fine.

But someone pass me a mace I can beat systemd-resolved and systemd-logind to death with

EDIT: Oh come on

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[-] pewgar_seemsimandroid 19 points 3 weeks ago

i use mint btw

[-] whoisearth@lemmy.ca 19 points 3 weeks ago

My biggest complaint with systemd....

Service xxx stop/start/restart is so much easier than

Systemctl stop/start/restart xxx

It fucking annoys me

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[-] prime_number_314159@lemmy.world 18 points 3 weeks ago

I dislike systemd less than I dislike sysvinit, so it has that going for it.

[-] SethTaylor@lemmy.world 17 points 3 weeks ago

Username checks out

[-] AgentOrangesicle@lemmy.world 17 points 3 weeks ago

I don't know if I like how you're characterizing furries. Not all of us do this, and I don't do it... often.

[-] Lettuceeatlettuce@lemmy.ml 15 points 3 weeks ago

Systemd is great! The best thing about it is how efficient and minimal it is!

[-] Sibshops@lemmy.myserv.one 14 points 3 weeks ago

I love ubuntu snaps.

(sets phone on vibrate)

[-] WhatGodIsMadeOf@feddit.org 14 points 3 weeks ago

This must be why my post saying Linux made me gay got so many up votes.

[-] davidagain@lemmy.world 14 points 3 weeks ago

Well, that's one way to "use" systemd, I guess.

[-] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 13 points 3 weeks ago
[-] SkaveRat@discuss.tchncs.de 32 points 3 weeks ago

There's already systemd in the title

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[-] voldage@lemmy.world 12 points 3 weeks ago
[-] Marn@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 3 weeks ago

I would replace grub in a heartbeat with systemd if it a feature like grub-btrfs (boot time snapshots for btrfs all in the GUI)

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[-] Illecors@lemmy.cafe 11 points 3 weeks ago

Used systemd for years; realistically my first init.

Switched to Gentoo.

Switched to OpenRC.

Lost logs at work on a server.

Some small inconveniences show up on systemd.

Yea, systemd is not that great.

There are people saying they don't want to care about an init system, but it's the same attitude as of those who don't care about what car they drive. Yes, it gets the job done, but that's not good enough for me.

I want the job done properly.

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