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[-] HugeNerd@lemmy.ca 68 points 5 days ago

I am horrified by what computers have become, from expensive magical tools to solve real problems, to ubiquitous shit-shoveling malware appliances controlled by some of the worst elements of society.

[-] kadu@scribe.disroot.org 32 points 4 days ago

to ubiquitous shit-shoveling malware appliances controlled by some of the worst elements of society.

Hmmm, I wonder which background economical system we all live in that could explain why every single technology ends up controlled by the top 1% to make our lives more miserable and their profits higher...

[-] prole 33 points 5 days ago

Those kinds of computers still exist, it's called Linux.

[-] tiramichu@sh.itjust.works 32 points 5 days ago

I've never been more appreciative than I am now of the decades of effort that have gone into building this free and open-source operating system.

Imagine if we were here in 2025, with all the incumbent operating systems going to shit, but in a world where Linux didn't exist and there was no alternative that wasn't owned by a tech giant.

I don't even want to imagine.

[-] Gormadt 9 points 4 days ago

Don't forget to donate to your favorite distro (and other open source projects) to help them keep the lights on.

Gotta do our part to fight the massive mega corps from devouring every aspect of our lives.

[-] palordrolap@fedia.io 8 points 4 days ago

The alternative alternative existed before Linux and still exists today: BSD

In a world without Linus Torvalds, all those people who have devoted time and effort into Linux might well have found themselves working / hobbying in the BSD ecosystems instead.

I think it's almost certain that Linux's niche would have been taken by it. It worked for Apple, after all.

Or, who knows, maybe GNU Hurd might have become viable.

[-] tiramichu@sh.itjust.works 7 points 4 days ago

Sure, if it wasn't Linux then another project may have got the love and attention.

I'm not glad it was Linux specifically, just glad there is a credible FOSS alternative of some kind, and in our universe that's Linux.

You might think there's no such world where we wouldn't have had some credible alternative, and as reasonable as that is - because freedom and independence are things people intrinsically want - I'm sure if you flap the butterfly wings enough times there'd be a universe where we all just collectively decided that commercial operating systems were the answer.

Glad I don't live there.

[-] gh0stcassette 2 points 3 days ago

I mean, we already do live in that universe, just for the mobile space.

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The future was here, once upon a time.

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[-] ardi60@reddthat.com 171 points 5 days ago

Here's your bypass:

In OOBE, go through MS account creation. Tell it you were born today. It'll let you set a password for the MS account before rejecting you due to COPA requirements. At this point, you can make an offline account without having even created an MS account, let alone having to use one.

This will not go away - it's a legal thing. MS doesn't want to deal with COPA stuff for very young kids, so this flow exists. Enjoy.

[-] Lfrith@lemmy.ca 54 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Rufus can be used to disable account creation along with other settings.

[-] adarza@lemmy.ca 26 points 5 days ago

rufus doesn't help with preloads that you don't want to or can't, for whatever reason, overwrite with a 'clean' install.

[-] Lfrith@lemmy.ca 27 points 5 days ago

If os can't be installed off a usb then that means linux can't either, which makes it a pretty sad machine to spend money on.

So it must be a work or school device then? Which users wouldn't be installing OS on anyways with it being handled through IT.

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[-] Lyra_Lycan 28 points 5 days ago

This is the rule for any account or mobile game, too - if it asks your age before asking for consent to farm, put any age below 13. It'll either not farm you because it's illegal or it'll kick you out. If the latter, good riddance really

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[-] DFX4509B_2@lemmy.org 16 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

If that actually becomes a thing people do, that could prompt MS to start to require either submitting to a face scan or showing some government ID just to install Windows, though, if the way Google's handling KYC on YT if your account gets flagged as underage, and soon Android app dev, as well as KYC going out across other sites, is any indication.

I'm pretty sure having to KYC just to install an OS is the last thing people want right now.

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[-] boogiebored@lemmy.world 38 points 4 days ago

Lol it's been great getting off of Windows over the last few months.

I thought I would miss it, but Proton in Steam has been amazing on Ubuntu, with some exceptions (Stupid EA crap from skate. 2025).

Dual booting for now is OK, but gaming is pretty garbage anyway, so I will probably abandon Windows entirely soon. Definitely my last version of it. Feel so liberated having hobbies off computer anyway, and now using my computers with Ubuntu is actually enjoyable again instead of driving an expensive spy machine.

:)

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[-] goatinspace@feddit.org 102 points 5 days ago
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[-] Feyd@programming.dev 92 points 5 days ago

“While these mechanisms were often used to bypass Microsoft account setup, they also inadvertently skip critical setup screens, potentially causing users to exit OOBE with a device that is not fully configured for use.”

Lol sure. If that was the real reason they'd simply let you create a local account. The audacious lying is just insulting.

[-] cley_faye@lemmy.world 21 points 5 days ago

potentially causing users to exit OOBE with a device that is not fully configured for use

Oh no, onedrive not working or the office nagging screen missing in the start menu, how will we cope.

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[-] Darkcoffee@sh.itjust.works 76 points 5 days ago

"It would bypass critical steps..."

Which step is that, data collection? Shoving OneDrive down my throat by putting my Desktop in it with no way to easily remove it?

[-] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 19 points 5 days ago

collecting data, and training AI of course.

[-] melsaskca@lemmy.ca 40 points 5 days ago

This "subscription" mentality is ruining value for a lot of society but, holy shit, do you ever rake in those huge amounts of monthly cash, for very little work.

[-] vacuumflower@lemmy.sdf.org 10 points 5 days ago

It's not our mentality, it's their strategy.

Wars breed new strategies.

Sometimes it's free trade as a carrot and embargo as a stick, like with, well, one can try to nail it to Napoleonic wars, but as old as life. Sometimes it's mass production and standardization and ergonomics and scientific industrial design, one can try to nail these to WWII, but also as old as life. And sometimes it's controlled escalation as a way to reach your goals without triggering nuclear response, which one can nail to the Cold War.

American strategy of the Cold War is being used against world markets, ladies and gentlemen. Together with the previous two strategies mentioned.

The Soviet one was the opposite, to try to make even the smallest transgression cause firmly the same response, so that controlled escalation wouldn't work, but unfortunately one is founded in human psychology (plus game theory) and the other in rational knowledge (just game theory), the latter always loses. It was called scientific-technical revolution and meant literally its name - instead of gradual escalation, which favors the stronger side, you should create technical means to punch a fatal wound, nothing gradual.

So - the subscriptions themselves matter very little, they are just slowly transitioning everything big to dependence upon remote components available over the Internet.

It's funny, actually, so much gradual work, and in the end it'll be just wasted time - even making computers is not magic. State of the art processes could as well be that for most of humanity, but for many purposes Pentium MMX is a good enough computer, and such are not magic.

And especially making computer software of the kind that's being "metropolized" like this is not magic. Most of it is complex simply because of legacy, backwards compatibility and as a barrier for competitors making alternative implementations.

[-] FreeMindFreeAss@lemmy.world 28 points 4 days ago

Linux, your time has finally come

[-] skisnow@lemmy.ca 6 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

All Microsoft had to do for Windows to remain the most popular home and office OS in the world for decades to come, was to just not fucking suck.

[-] Dragonstaff@leminal.space 1 points 2 days ago

The problem is that they realized that they could do both.

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[-] JoMiran@lemmy.ml 70 points 5 days ago
[-] richardmtanguay@lemmy.zip 52 points 5 days ago

I will be switching to Linux once my laptop is obsolete!!! I will only be getting Linux stuff from there on in!!! :-)

[-] Pat_Riot@lemmy.today 32 points 5 days ago

Why wait? Linux Mint will run the shit out of your laptop right now.

[-] Jaysyn@lemmy.world 13 points 5 days ago

Not OP, but I have to keep one Windows PC around. My favorite mod for my favorite 20 year old 4x game will not run on Linux, even though the game itself will.

The rest of my PCs are running either Mint or Xubuntu.

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[-] Pelicanen@sopuli.xyz 19 points 5 days ago

I can add that in my experience, switching to Linux tends to have a positive impact on performance and keep the laptop usable for longer, I highly recommend you try it with your current laptop.

[-] prole 11 points 5 days ago

You're going to immediately wonder why you waited so long.

[-] floofloof@lemmy.ca 16 points 5 days ago

If you have a drive where you can back up your stuff before installing a new OS, there's no need to wait.

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[-] NarrativeBear@lemmy.world 68 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Don't plug to many, otherwise people might start jumping ship!

[-] LadyAutumn 54 points 5 days ago

I despise that I have to use this OS at work. I would never run windows on my own computer again. Its just insanity. Next they'll require a credit card to make a Microsoft account.

[-] floofloof@lemmy.ca 27 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

I could see them requiring government-issued ID. The age verification laws coming into effect in various states and countries make this a logical step for Microsoft. They might even start their own age verification service where you give them your ID and they vouch for your age with the sites you visit in Edge. Of course it would have the totally accidental side effect that everything you do on your computer could be monitored and legally tied to your identity.

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[-] abbiistabbii 32 points 5 days ago

I am never abandoning you, Linux

[-] ImgurRefugee114@reddthat.com 50 points 5 days ago

Switched to Linux full time at the start of 2025 and haven't looked back. I fully intend to go the rest of my life without using windows again.

[-] aurelar@lemmy.ml 20 points 5 days ago

I've been using Linux exclusively for more than ten years. You've made the right choice. As if you needed anyone to tell you 😆

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[-] salacious_coaster@infosec.pub 44 points 5 days ago

If I was still a solo sysadmin, today I would be reevaluating the feasibility of dumping Windows altogether.

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[-] ArchmageAzor@lemmy.world 6 points 4 days ago

At this point they'll restrict access to the registry.

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[-] Reality_Suit@lemmy.world 33 points 5 days ago

Dump windows. These megacorps need to fail.

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[-] db2@lemmy.world 25 points 5 days ago

One option is to install an older version and update after.

A better one is not use it because it's trash.

[-] Kissaki@feddit.org 10 points 5 days ago

Where's the regulation that prevents this? Appalling.

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[-] Wispy2891@lemmy.world 14 points 5 days ago

I installed windows 11 a dozen time at work (never at home) and I just click on "domain login", it just creates a local account and then after the install I have to manually join the domain. No Microsoft account enforcement at all.

It's regular Windows 11, not Enterprise, we are a small company.

But I'm wondering, this bypass is too easy, is it because it sees that the DNS server is also an active directory server, so it allows that, or the trick is that you tell him you want to join a domain?

Or maybe it's a domain enrollment bug because we're using samba 4 under Debian as active directory server and not Windows server/entra id/whatever they call it this month?

[-] Bytemeister@lemmy.world 19 points 5 days ago

I just click on “domain login”

It’s regular Windows 11, not Enterprise

You need to have 11 Pro or better to domain join a computer.

Your computer would also need to be joined to your domain to allow the login, so there is definitely some config going on that is not available to the typical home user.

[-] purplemonkeymad@programming.dev 13 points 5 days ago

I don't think they ever said they plan to require it for Windows Pro or above skus. It's only home (you know the one business shouldn't be using anyway) that they said they wanted to enforce it on.

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