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[-] Antti@sopuli.xyz 2 points 12 hours ago

People looking for another European alternative, check SailfishOS! Jolla supports their devices long time and SailfishOS is truly alternative OS made in Europe

[-] biotin7@sopuli.xyz 4 points 18 hours ago

The same company that did away with the headphone jack because of reasons

[-] ShotDonkey@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago

Bought a fp 5 lately. It's a quality nightmare. Has a bug regarding 'fluid in usb port' error message. Consequence: phone does not charge. Phone is brand new. Google the bug. Turns out a hundreds of other users reported the bug already 9 months back via fp user forum. Nothing has happened. They just let it rot.

Sent it to repair. Got it back with the same bug again. Have had all fp models in the past. Was okay happy, but my fp journey ends here. I think the company has serious problems.

[-] gl38@feddit.uk 1 points 1 hour ago

To be fair my current Samsung Galaxy fold 6 has the same message all the time. So did my previous Xperia 5 mk iii. I feel certain chargers were more likely to give that message. Certainly faulty hardware somewhere.

[-] e8d79@discuss.tchncs.de 34 points 1 day ago

Fairphones have a worse record than any other phone I ever owned in regards to sustainability for me. The phones become unusable as soon as the new model releases due to their non existing software quality, and it seems that they just stop bothering with tests for their previous models. I bought the Fairphone 4 for myself and the Fairphone 5 for my mother and both had software issues without end. In both cases the ability to make and receive phone calls broke after an android update. Imagine not being able to call emergency services because of a software update. Imagine dying because the developers at Fairphone didn't bother to test their shit. That is not even mentioning that security updates were also always months late. I truly wanted to like them but I couldn't be bothered with these broken phones anymore and bought a refurbished Pixel, for not even half the price of a Fairphone, and flashed it with GrapheneOS instead.

[-] prole 1 points 18 hours ago
[-] pugnaciousfarter@literature.cafe 21 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Also the best path for sustainability is to NOT BUY A NEW PHONE EVERY 2-3 YEARS.

Don't buy fairphone. Try to run your current phone for 7 more years.

[-] Blackmist@feddit.uk 9 points 1 day ago

I use my phones until they start crashing due to battery issues.

Tends to be about 6 years for that to happen, at least with the mid range phones I tend to buy.

My Nexus 4 did not survive an intense summer of Pokemon Go, and my Huawei Honor whatever number it was eventually would die just from opening the camera. I'd get the batteries replaced, but by the time they die I'm feeling the age of them even more than in my knees.

[-] jnod4@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 day ago

I think you can change some batteries. Managed to change a pixel's battery by myself using a hair drier.

[-] 87Six@lemmy.zip 1 points 21 hours ago

Me and my family just changed like 3 phone batteries for fucking change. Local shop charges 50RON (Ro) (10 EUR) per battery change WITH LABOR. New batteries installed. All reporting 101% in Accubattery, from 60-70% before. Can you guys not get cheap battery replacements?

[-] 87Six@lemmy.zip 2 points 21 hours ago

I tried giving them 2x the money and they straight up refused. These guys are crazy.

[-] krooklochurm@lemmy.ca 1 points 20 hours ago

That's awesome. What a low price.

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[-] e8d79@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 1 day ago

I agree and that was the reason I initially chose a Fairphone but the promised 7 years of security updates also turned out to be a half-truth, after three years I only got quarterly security updates. I tolerated four years of buggy software the update that broke the phone part of my smartphone was just the last nail in the coffin.

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[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Imagine dying

I gotta say, you had me until you cranked it to 11.

Not being able to call with a phone after an OS update is definitely a deal breaker. But "if I don't have my phone on me, I'll die" is the kind of hyperbole that has me doubt your entire testimonial.

[-] e8d79@discuss.tchncs.de 6 points 1 day ago* (last edited 17 hours ago)

Imagine dying wasn't hyperbole it is a real concern of mine. I commute with a bicycle to work and also cycle a lot in my free time. I wouldn't be the first cyclist injured or even killed in a hit and run accident, so a phone that is unable to make a emergency call when I need it is not something I am willing to risk.

[-] krooklochurm@lemmy.ca 1 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago)

If you're hit by a car bad enough then I'd imagine the chances of your Florine breaking during a crash is pretty high, no?

[-] prole 1 points 18 hours ago

Personally, my Florine is unbreakable.

[-] DupaCycki@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

It was referring to not being able to call emergency services, which may realistically lead to your death. It's a fairly unlikely scenario, but not a completely crazy one. It's just a highlight in a sea of issues. Or at least that's how it looks to me, as I've never used a Fairphone. Some people say they work flawlessly.

[-] Culf@feddit.dk 12 points 1 day ago

For me Fairphone has been good. I bought my fp3 on release in 2019 for about 400 euro and it is still going strong today, 6 years later (I am in fact using it right now)

Not to say that there haven't been software problems at all but it has not been that bad and was fixed over time.

[-] Stzyxh@feddit.org 4 points 1 day ago

Also had no big problems with my FP4

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[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 11 points 1 day ago

Fairphones are almost certainly less profitable than their Apple/Pixel competitors.

But a big chunk of that cost is coming from advertising. Another big chunk is stock buybacks. There's so much fat to cut before you actually get to hardware/software quality.

[-] BandanaBug@piefed.social 66 points 2 days ago

Then why are fairphones so expensive for their specs?

[-] Sunshine@piefed.social 67 points 2 days ago

Because they cannot bulk buy parts and hire engineers like how the larger manufacturers can.

[-] PostaL@lemmy.world 41 points 1 day ago

So then... sustainable phones cost more?

[-] Dojan@pawb.social 15 points 1 day ago

I think the idea is that you can make them but the large manufacturers actively choose not to, because being anti-consumer, anti-sustainability, and anti-repair is not a problem in their business model, it's a core strategy of it.

[-] boonhet@sopuli.xyz 19 points 1 day ago

Well not if larger manufacturers made them I guess? Fairphone just doesn't get the same prices even from the same vendors, if there's any that overlap between say them and Samsung.

[-] kadu@scribe.disroot.org 19 points 1 day ago

Except Fairphones are usually overpriced for the quality...

Where's that headphone jack boyo?

[-] fading_person@lemmy.zip 17 points 1 day ago

Every time someone mentions the headphone jack, comes a legion of people defending the corporations. People will really accept anything they do and bully the ones who don't want to submit. That's impressive! And we're in a place with higher-than-average corporation haters.

It's even more impressive when we think about how Bluetooth earphone users don't gain anything by removing the jack, neither lose anything by keeping it. It literally doesn't affect them, but heavily affects anyone who uses wired phones or other stuff. People simply use their energy against others, in favor of corporations for absolutely no benefits for them, but simply for fucking the other people. I can't understand this behavior.

[-] Adderbox76@lemmy.ca 8 points 1 day ago

People will really accept anything they do and bully the ones who don’t want to submit. That’s impressive! And we’re in a place with higher-than-average corporation haters.

I don't see it that way at all. Would I personally like to see the headphone jack return? Sure. But there are about 5,002 more important issues when it comes to tech corporations (Ie. privacy, repairability, software support, obsolescence, etc... just to name a few). People aren't defending corporations as much as they are "picking their battles".

Your headphone jack battle is inconsequential and frankly kind of stupid in the larger scheme of the war right now. Would it be great to get to a point where all the battles are won and all we have to worry about is a damn headphone jack? Absolutely. But we're not there.

[-] fading_person@lemmy.zip 8 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

So, are people picking their battles by practically bullying others into thinking they're wrong and outdated? They could simply ignore people talking about phone jacks, but they don't. They're not picking battles. They're actively fighting, and on the corps' side.

Also, there's always a bigger battle. If we think like this, no one will ever do anything. Corporations don't go all in. They take things away from us one small step at a time, and people allow it, because they're always small things, but just like boiling frogs, we will end up into a cyberpunk era.

[-] mrdown@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

The more you ignore the smallest bad changes , the more they will be confident to ruin all the bigger issues you mentionned

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[-] TheTechnician27@lemmy.world 45 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Are we not well past a point where the Fairphone 6's DAC for the 3.5 mm jack would be better for audio quality than Bluetooth 5.4 with aptX Adaptive/LDAC? When headphone jacks were being removed from phones around the mid-2010s, it was ridiculous, greedy, and premature. Now, though? I find wireless earbuds vastly nicer and more convenient for phones, and I would only go with wired, say, on a vacation where I can use a cheap $20 junk drawer pair and not mourn them if they get lost somewhere – at which point I can just use a dongle for a weekend or whatever.

I still always want a microSD card slot, but I'd prefer that my phone not have a headphone jack at this point. I think the people who still mourn the loss of the 3.5 mm jack are a vastly smaller minority than they think they are. Which is fine; you're still welcome as a consumer to buy or not buy a phone based off that. But I also think that nagging Fairphone over the removal of the 3.5 mm jack with the Fairphone 4 in 2021 is "old man yelling at clouds" territory.

[-] DPEWGF@sh.itjust.works 28 points 2 days ago

Pushing wireless has been frustrating to me because of the fact that the batteries inside those tools will die sooner or later. Majority of the time, I am fine with being wired. The good news is that IEMs have evolved a lot over the past decade with great options even at $20 that include detachable cables from the earbuds. What's even cooler is that you can choose for your audio connectivity to be USB-C for those that miss the 3.5mm jack. I'll provide a $20 example below:

https://hangout.audio/products/tangzu-waner-sg-2?variant=41999443132464

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[-] Pazintach@discuss.tchncs.de 18 points 1 day ago

For me, I already have very good headphones from years ago, and they are all working. I don't want to buy additional Bluetooth headphones just for a Smartphone. Why do I have to buy additional gears just to be able to use my perfectly functional old ones? Or do I have to accept that Smartphones nowadays are just not for music?

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[-] GoldenFigApple@feddit.uk 18 points 2 days ago

Also, if you need wired you can get USB-C headphones.

[-] Akasazh@lemmy.world 11 points 1 day ago

Now you can't listen and charge your phone at the same time.

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[-] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 58 points 2 days ago

Why is the fairphone more expensive than comparable hardware, then?

[-] neo2478@sh.itjust.works 53 points 2 days ago

A lot of it is also economies of scale and full control of the supply chain. The unethical behavior is to squeeze as much profit as possible.

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[-] DreasNil@feddit.nu 10 points 1 day ago

Fairphone 6 is great by the way! Coming from a long time iPhone user.

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