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[-] ordnance_qf_17_pounder@reddthat.com 100 points 1 month ago

Where's that headphone jack boyo?

[-] TheTechnician27@lemmy.world 47 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Are we not well past a point where the Fairphone 6's DAC for the 3.5 mm jack would be better for audio quality than Bluetooth 5.4 with aptX Adaptive/LDAC? When headphone jacks were being removed from phones around the mid-2010s, it was ridiculous, greedy, and premature. Now, though? I find wireless earbuds vastly nicer and more convenient for phones, and I would only go with wired, say, on a vacation where I can use a cheap $20 junk drawer pair and not mourn them if they get lost somewhere – at which point I can just use a dongle for a weekend or whatever.

I still always want a microSD card slot, but I'd prefer that my phone not have a headphone jack at this point. I think the people who still mourn the loss of the 3.5 mm jack are a vastly smaller minority than they think they are. Which is fine; you're still welcome as a consumer to buy or not buy a phone based off that. But I also think that nagging Fairphone over the removal of the 3.5 mm jack with the Fairphone 4 in 2021 is "old man yelling at clouds" territory.

[-] DPEWGF@sh.itjust.works 29 points 1 month ago

Pushing wireless has been frustrating to me because of the fact that the batteries inside those tools will die sooner or later. Majority of the time, I am fine with being wired. The good news is that IEMs have evolved a lot over the past decade with great options even at $20 that include detachable cables from the earbuds. What's even cooler is that you can choose for your audio connectivity to be USB-C for those that miss the 3.5mm jack. I'll provide a $20 example below:

https://hangout.audio/products/tangzu-waner-sg-2?variant=41999443132464

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[-] Pazintach@discuss.tchncs.de 19 points 1 month ago

For me, I already have very good headphones from years ago, and they are all working. I don't want to buy additional Bluetooth headphones just for a Smartphone. Why do I have to buy additional gears just to be able to use my perfectly functional old ones? Or do I have to accept that Smartphones nowadays are just not for music?

[-] TheTechnician27@lemmy.world 9 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

I don't want to buy additional Bluetooth headphones just for a smartphone.

You don't have to. You can still use a USB-C dongle. Phones in 2025 have considerably longer battery life and charge considerably faster than phones when manufacturers started phasing out 3.5 mm jacks in phones, so charging should rarely conflict – unless you're frequently doing wired data transfers too. A dongle is about $20. You're also entirely free to get a smartphone that still has the jack if it's an important feature to you. As I said in my above comment, nobody's saying you aren't allowed to factor this into your purchase.

Why do I have to buy additional gears just to be able to use my perfectly usable old ones?

"Why do I need an external optical drive to read DVDs on my laptop? Why can't they just build it into the device?"

A 3.5 mm jack is just more stuff that needs to go into the limited thickness of a smartphone. They also need to be made water-resistant, and it's just another potential point of failure. And for those who don't use them, they're a useless lint trap. Overall, they just cost more to produce which puts more cost onto the consumer. And now that Bluetooth audio is so widely used because it's no longer complete trash, the vast majority of users not using the 3.5 mm jack would end up subsidizing the very small minority that do.

Or do I have to accept that Smartphones nowadays are just not for music?

No, you definitely don't. Like what? Wirelessly they're better than they've ever been by a mile. If you care deeply enough about audio quality that even modern Bluetooth quality bothers you, your alternative isn't 3.5 mm – it's an external DAC via USB-C. Space and streaming bandwidth are basically no longer considerations for high-bitrate music. If you care about music, smartphones are in a much better position than they were when the 3.5 mm jack was thriving.

"Smartphones nowadays are not for music" is such a histrionic distortion of "I personally have to use a $20 dongle when I listen to music on my smartphone with the headphones I alreay own."

[-] ArtificialLink@lemy.lol 10 points 4 weeks ago

A 3.5 mm jack is just more stuff that needs to go into the limited thickness of a smartphone. They also need to be made water-resistant, and it's just another potential point of failure. And for those who don't use them, they're a useless lint trap. Overall, they just cost more to produce which puts more cost onto the consumer.

Thus is straight up a lie. They cost less than a dollar to buy and put in a phone. Even the thinnest iPhone could have one without it impacting space and finally they are just as easy to waterproof as usb c port.

But yeah keep regurgitating the same facts big companies want you to use cause a extremely backwards compatible analog audio standard is less "convenient"

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[-] GoldenFigApple@feddit.uk 18 points 1 month ago

Also, if you need wired you can get USB-C headphones.

[-] Akasazh@lemmy.world 11 points 1 month ago

Now you can't listen and charge your phone at the same time.

[-] TheTechnician27@lemmy.world 11 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

To me anyway, that's basically a non-factor these days:

  • From the factory, phones generally have much longer battery lives than when 3.5 mm jacks thrived. For example (bit of an outlier), my S23 Ultra lasts me two days from 80%. And speaking of that, the battery life capacity over time is less bad now thanks to e.g. techniques like stopping charging early.
  • Phones charge much faster now than, again, when 3.5 mm jacks thrived. 10 minutes of charging could easily last me through several hours.
  • Wireless charging is a standard feature of modern smartphones, and it's even decently fast (I've usually seen 15W).

So to me anyway, this conflict would arise and be frustrating in the case that: "Oh shit, I used my phone like crazy yesterday and forgot to charge it overnight. It's so dire that I need to charge it now when I want to listen to something, and for some reason I can't 1) just charge it wirelessly, 2) listen without headphones for 10-ish minutes, 3) listen on another device if I'm using/near one, or 4) go find something to do other than listen to music on my phone for the 10 minutes it takes my phone to charge another 20%."

TL;DR: If you're absent-minded as hell, chronically on your phone listening to music etc., unwilling to think even slightly outside the box, and impatient to the level of a small child, then USB-C headphones will be a devastating downgrade.

[-] Akasazh@lemmy.world 6 points 4 weeks ago

I like to listen to podcasts in bed, often falling asleep during. Therefore wireless ones are not feasible as they get lost.

I like to be able to charge my phone at the same time, as it's a long period where I don't use the thing and it's in one place.

Could this be solved attentively? Sure, but changing the thing that is perfectly fine will force me to change my routine, against which I'm naturally hesitant.

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[-] detren@sh.itjust.works 9 points 1 month ago

Plus if you care about audio quality you were using an external dac anyway

[-] kadu@scribe.disroot.org 6 points 4 weeks ago

Now, though? I find wireless earbuds vastly nicer and more convenient for phones

Love the fact their tiny, non-replaceable lithium batteries means they're quite literally disposable products you'll have to keep buying and throwing away.

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[-] FerretyFever0@fedia.io 21 points 1 month ago

Sorry, the phone doesn't have a headphone jack?

[-] Voyajer@lemmy.world 24 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

They removed it 2 models ago

[-] fading_person@lemmy.zip 18 points 4 weeks ago

Every time someone mentions the headphone jack, comes a legion of people defending the corporations. People will really accept anything they do and bully the ones who don't want to submit. That's impressive! And we're in a place with higher-than-average corporation haters.

It's even more impressive when we think about how Bluetooth earphone users don't gain anything by removing the jack, neither lose anything by keeping it. It literally doesn't affect them, but heavily affects anyone who uses wired phones or other stuff. People simply use their energy against others, in favor of corporations for absolutely no benefits for them, but simply for fucking the other people. I can't understand this behavior.

[-] Adderbox76@lemmy.ca 10 points 4 weeks ago

People will really accept anything they do and bully the ones who don’t want to submit. That’s impressive! And we’re in a place with higher-than-average corporation haters.

I don't see it that way at all. Would I personally like to see the headphone jack return? Sure. But there are about 5,002 more important issues when it comes to tech corporations (Ie. privacy, repairability, software support, obsolescence, etc... just to name a few). People aren't defending corporations as much as they are "picking their battles".

Your headphone jack battle is inconsequential and frankly kind of stupid in the larger scheme of the war right now. Would it be great to get to a point where all the battles are won and all we have to worry about is a damn headphone jack? Absolutely. But we're not there.

[-] fading_person@lemmy.zip 9 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

So, are people picking their battles by practically bullying others into thinking they're wrong and outdated? They could simply ignore people talking about phone jacks, but they don't. They're not picking battles. They're actively fighting, and on the corps' side.

Also, there's always a bigger battle. If we think like this, no one will ever do anything. Corporations don't go all in. They take things away from us one small step at a time, and people allow it, because they're always small things, but just like boiling frogs, we will end up into a cyberpunk era.

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[-] Sunshine@piefed.social 9 points 1 month ago

We need a return the headphone jack movement, it makes me glad I still use my pixel 3a for Ubuntu Touch.

Yeah I'm still stuck with my LG V30 and refuse to upgrade because the DAC + Jack is soo good.

[-] BandanaBug@piefed.social 73 points 1 month ago

Then why are fairphones so expensive for their specs?

[-] Sunshine@piefed.social 71 points 1 month ago

Because they cannot bulk buy parts and hire engineers like how the larger manufacturers can.

[-] PostaL@lemmy.world 46 points 4 weeks ago

So then... sustainable phones cost more?

[-] boonhet@sopuli.xyz 21 points 4 weeks ago

Well not if larger manufacturers made them I guess? Fairphone just doesn't get the same prices even from the same vendors, if there's any that overlap between say them and Samsung.

[-] Dojan@pawb.social 17 points 4 weeks ago

I think the idea is that you can make them but the large manufacturers actively choose not to, because being anti-consumer, anti-sustainability, and anti-repair is not a problem in their business model, it's a core strategy of it.

[-] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 60 points 1 month ago

Why is the fairphone more expensive than comparable hardware, then?

[-] neo2478@sh.itjust.works 56 points 1 month ago

A lot of it is also economies of scale and full control of the supply chain. The unethical behavior is to squeeze as much profit as possible.

[-] jol@discuss.tchncs.de 11 points 1 month ago

Each new Fairphone is increasingly more custom whereas the first ones used more stock parts. When you order elections from China, manufacturers might refuse to make custom parts for a small room, or charge a lot for it.

[-] schubidubiduba@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 1 month ago

Is the Fairphone 6 really significantly more expensive still?

[-] KryptonNerd@slrpnk.net 10 points 4 weeks ago

I don't think it is. In the UK its price and specs seem pretty on par with the Pixel 9a

[-] kepix@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago

cause its marketed towards richer westeners who cant even unlock a phone

[-] e8d79@discuss.tchncs.de 35 points 4 weeks ago

Fairphones have a worse record than any other phone I ever owned in regards to sustainability for me. The phones become unusable as soon as the new model releases due to their non existing software quality, and it seems that they just stop bothering with tests for their previous models. I bought the Fairphone 4 for myself and the Fairphone 5 for my mother and both had software issues without end. In both cases the ability to make and receive phone calls broke after an android update. Imagine not being able to call emergency services because of a software update. Imagine dying because the developers at Fairphone didn't bother to test their shit. That is not even mentioning that security updates were also always months late. I truly wanted to like them but I couldn't be bothered with these broken phones anymore and bought a refurbished Pixel, for not even half the price of a Fairphone, and flashed it with GrapheneOS instead.

[-] pugnaciousfarter@literature.cafe 23 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

Also the best path for sustainability is to NOT BUY A NEW PHONE EVERY 2-3 YEARS.

Don't buy fairphone. Try to run your current phone for 7 more years.

[-] Blackmist@feddit.uk 9 points 4 weeks ago

I use my phones until they start crashing due to battery issues.

Tends to be about 6 years for that to happen, at least with the mid range phones I tend to buy.

My Nexus 4 did not survive an intense summer of Pokemon Go, and my Huawei Honor whatever number it was eventually would die just from opening the camera. I'd get the batteries replaced, but by the time they die I'm feeling the age of them even more than in my knees.

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[-] Culf@feddit.dk 13 points 4 weeks ago

For me Fairphone has been good. I bought my fp3 on release in 2019 for about 400 euro and it is still going strong today, 6 years later (I am in fact using it right now)

Not to say that there haven't been software problems at all but it has not been that bad and was fixed over time.

[-] Stzyxh@feddit.org 5 points 4 weeks ago

Also had no big problems with my FP4

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[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 9 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

Imagine dying

I gotta say, you had me until you cranked it to 11.

Not being able to call with a phone after an OS update is definitely a deal breaker. But "if I don't have my phone on me, I'll die" is the kind of hyperbole that has me doubt your entire testimonial.

[-] e8d79@discuss.tchncs.de 6 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

Imagine dying wasn't hyperbole it is a real concern of mine. I commute with a bicycle to work and also cycle a lot in my free time. I wouldn't be the first cyclist injured or even killed in a hit and run accident, so a phone that is unable to make a emergency call when I need it is not something I am willing to risk.

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[-] DupaCycki@lemmy.world 4 points 4 weeks ago

It was referring to not being able to call emergency services, which may realistically lead to your death. It's a fairly unlikely scenario, but not a completely crazy one. It's just a highlight in a sea of issues. Or at least that's how it looks to me, as I've never used a Fairphone. Some people say they work flawlessly.

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[-] kadu@scribe.disroot.org 20 points 4 weeks ago

Except Fairphones are usually overpriced for the quality...

[-] RedRibbonArmy@sh.itjust.works 13 points 1 month ago

HMD has done a decent job with their recent phones at making them user repairable.

[-] Crazazy@feddit.nl 17 points 4 weeks ago

Too bad they don't come with an unlockable bootloader

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 12 points 4 weeks ago

Fairphones are almost certainly less profitable than their Apple/Pixel competitors.

But a big chunk of that cost is coming from advertising. Another big chunk is stock buybacks. There's so much fat to cut before you actually get to hardware/software quality.

[-] DreasNil@feddit.nu 12 points 4 weeks ago

Fairphone 6 is great by the way! Coming from a long time iPhone user.

[-] DamienGramatacus@lemmy.world 5 points 4 weeks ago

Came from Pixel 6 and picked up a fairphone 6 last week. The camera is sadly not as good but everything else is great (so far).

[-] ShotDonkey@lemmy.world 8 points 4 weeks ago

Bought a fp 5 lately. It's a quality nightmare. Has a bug regarding 'fluid in usb port' error message. Consequence: phone does not charge. Phone is brand new. Google the bug. Turns out a hundreds of other users reported the bug already 9 months back via fp user forum. Nothing has happened. They just let it rot.

Sent it to repair. Got it back with the same bug again. Have had all fp models in the past. Was okay happy, but my fp journey ends here. I think the company has serious problems.

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[-] biotin7@sopuli.xyz 5 points 4 weeks ago

The same company that did away with the headphone jack because of reasons

[-] Grimtuck@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago

Then tell us your failure rates and prove it.

[-] Grimtuck@lemmy.world 7 points 4 weeks ago

I can see I'm being down voted so let me explain in more detail. There is a serious problem in the industry where failure rates are not being considered in regards to how environmentally sound a device is. Some manufacturers have historically very low failure rates and while others are very high.

There needs to be a lot more visibility of this as a high repair rate will absolutely kill any positive environmental impact these phones have. So tell us what you're repair rates are.

Of course, if you genuinely want to help the environment stop getting new phones or buy secondhand.

[-] verdi@feddit.org 9 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

The phone is repairable and parts are mostly user replaceable, that's why you are being downvoted. Sustainability starts with making sure you support the device with software and parts over time, not just ethical sourcing.

The main problem, consistently is the battery and fairphone makes it fully user replaceable. It sure as shit is much better than just exchanging the device or charging so much for repairs that it's equal/cheaper for the user to get a new one(*cough Apple, Samsung...).

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