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[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 7 points 1 hour ago

Fairphones are almost certainly less profitable than their Apple/Pixel competitors.

But a big chunk of that cost is coming from advertising. Another big chunk is stock buybacks. There's so much fat to cut before you actually get to hardware/software quality.

[-] e8d79@discuss.tchncs.de 27 points 8 hours ago

Fairphones have a worse record than any other phone I ever owned in regards to sustainability for me. The phones become unusable as soon as the new model releases due to their non existing software quality, and it seems that they just stop bothering with tests for their previous models. I bought the Fairphone 4 for myself and the Fairphone 5 for my mother and both had software issues without end. In both cases the ability to make and receive phone calls broke after an android update. Imagine not being able to call emergency services because of a software update. Imagine dying because the developers at Fairphone didn't bother to test their shit. That is not even mentioning that security updates were also always months late. I truly wanted to like them but I couldn't be bothered with these broken phones anymore and bought a refurbished Pixel, for not even half the price of a Fairphone, and flashed it with GrapheneOS instead.

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 5 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

Imagine dying

I gotta say, you had me until you cranked it to 11.

Not being able to call with a phone after an OS update is definitely a deal breaker. But "if I don't have my phone on me, I'll die" is the kind of hyperbole that has me doubt your entire testimonial.

[-] DupaCycki@lemmy.world 2 points 1 hour ago

It was referring to not being able to call emergency services, which may realistically lead to your death. It's a fairly unlikely scenario, but not a completely crazy one. It's just a highlight in a sea of issues. Or at least that's how it looks to me, as I've never used a Fairphone. Some people say they work flawlessly.

[-] e8d79@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 53 minutes ago* (last edited 52 minutes ago)

Imagine dying wasn't hyperbole it is a real concern of mine. I commute with a bicycle to work and also cycle a lot in my free time. I wouldn't be the first cyclist injured or even killed in a hit an run accident, so a phone that is unable to make a emergency call when I need it is not something I am willing to risk.

[-] jnod4@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 hours ago

Skill issue

[-] Culf@feddit.dk 12 points 6 hours ago

For me Fairphone has been good. I bought my fp3 on release in 2019 for about 400 euro and it is still going strong today, 6 years later (I am in fact using it right now)

Not to say that there haven't been software problems at all but it has not been that bad and was fixed over time.

[-] Stzyxh@feddit.org 4 points 3 hours ago

Also had no big problems with my FP4

[-] Cyber@feddit.uk 2 points 6 hours ago

Same here with my FP3+

[-] pugnaciousfarter@literature.cafe 15 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago)

Also the best path for sustainability is to NOT BUY A NEW PHONE EVERY 2-3 YEARS.

Don't buy fairphone. Try to run your current phone for 7 more years.

[-] ganryuu@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

Only if you still get security updates for those 7 years, which is I think the case with the Pixels, and some Samsung flagships, but is very far from being the norm. You don't want a non-updated phone.

Edit: of course that also works if you can switch to an alternate rom that does receive the updates.

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago

Try to run your current phone for 7 more years.

Isn't the entire appeal of Fairphone that its modular and easy to repair?

I can't extend my OnePlus for another 7 years because the charging port is flaky and the battery is burning out. The ringer switch is busted, so I can't take my phone off silent. The camera's focus is always a bit off. I can't disassemble and fix the parts that are broken while keeping the bits that still work without getting a fucking engineering degree.

[-] Blackmist@feddit.uk 5 points 3 hours ago

I use my phones until they start crashing due to battery issues.

Tends to be about 6 years for that to happen, at least with the mid range phones I tend to buy.

My Nexus 4 did not survive an intense summer of Pokemon Go, and my Huawei Honor whatever number it was eventually would die just from opening the camera. I'd get the batteries replaced, but by the time they die I'm feeling the age of them even more than in my knees.

[-] jnod4@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 hours ago

I think you can change some batteries. Managed to change a pixel's battery by myself using a hair drier.

[-] pugnaciousfarter@literature.cafe 1 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

I wonder if there is a boutique battery maker seller.

I think he'd do good business with people like us.

[-] e8d79@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 4 hours ago

I agree and that was the reason I initially chose a Fairphone but the promised 7 years of security updates also turned out to be a half-truth, after three years I only got quarterly security updates. I tolerated four years of buggy software the update that broke the phone part of my smartphone was just the last nail in the coffin.

[-] pugnaciousfarter@literature.cafe 1 points 2 hours ago

I've also heard (too lazy to look up a source) but they don't make their phone entirely "fairly" either, because apparently like with chocolates it is just very difficult to do without having exploitation be a part of your logistics chain and still make a feasible product.

Citation needed^

And to be fair, at least they are trying.

[-] cenzorrll@lemmy.ca 3 points 6 hours ago

I'd love to, but manufacturers are complete shit at supporting phones. Most don't get security updates after 3 years.

[-] Cyber@feddit.uk 3 points 6 hours ago

This is probably the main point - not buying a new phone when the manufacturers release a new model.

I would add though that Fairphone are also improving the entire industry by not using cheap labour, paying fair wages and not using conflict materials, so there is more to this than just eWaste

But, I agree don't scrap existing phones just to buy another - even if it is Fairphone

[-] kadu@scribe.disroot.org 13 points 8 hours ago

Except Fairphones are usually overpriced for the quality...

[-] DreasNil@feddit.nu 8 points 10 hours ago

Fairphone 6 is great by the way! Coming from a long time iPhone user.

[-] DamienGramatacus@lemmy.world 3 points 7 hours ago

Came from Pixel 6 and picked up a fairphone 6 last week. The camera is sadly not as good but everything else is great (so far).

[-] Adderbox76@lemmy.ca 2 points 7 hours ago

I like the look of the fairphone 6. I like the look of having screws on the back, like a more industrial/mechanical design language (sharper edges, etc...) But I can't justify that kind of money for a phone, no matter how much I may want to.

[-] BandanaBug@piefed.social 56 points 16 hours ago

Then why are fairphones so expensive for their specs?

[-] Sunshine@piefed.social 61 points 15 hours ago

Because they cannot bulk buy parts and hire engineers like how the larger manufacturers can.

[-] PostaL@lemmy.world 29 points 11 hours ago

So then... sustainable phones cost more?

[-] Dojan@pawb.social 11 points 7 hours ago

I think the idea is that you can make them but the large manufacturers actively choose not to, because being anti-consumer, anti-sustainability, and anti-repair is not a problem in their business model, it's a core strategy of it.

[-] boonhet@sopuli.xyz 18 points 11 hours ago

Well not if larger manufacturers made them I guess? Fairphone just doesn't get the same prices even from the same vendors, if there's any that overlap between say them and Samsung.

It's a matter of scale...

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