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Seriously, what Israel is doing today is no different from what the Nazis did before and at the beginning of World War II, extreme nationalism, illegal expansion, annexation of foreign territory claiming it historically belongs to them, propaganda using the latest technology, terrorizing neighbors, military at the center of society.

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[-] snoons@lemmy.ca 88 points 1 month ago

IMO it's because the western oligarchs are making bank selling military tech to israel.

[-] antifa_ceo@lemmy.ml 36 points 1 month ago

This is it. Israel is too profitable for them to detox from. They get to test out sick new tech to spy on and abuse their citizens, they get to put pressure on nations in the surrounding area with resources they want, and just the sheer amount of money selling weapons in general.

It's one of the most lucrative grifting exercises the western nations have ever designed.

[-] snoons@lemmy.ca 8 points 1 month ago

I wonder how much the "ignore your genocide" fee is.

[-] Maeve@kbin.earth 7 points 1 month ago

Pretty big, when you consider AIPAC* and propaganda. https://www.informationliberation.com/?id=65051

[-] Maeve@kbin.earth 4 points 1 month ago

And getting land and other natural resources, likely.

[-] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 1 month ago

Since other Westerners are paying, it's not actually a net gain.

[-] frezik 32 points 1 month ago

Nazism is only outright banned in a few democratic countries. Even in ones where it is, like Germany, there are parties that skirt around it, like AfD. Who are getting uncomfortably popular, BTW.

It's very hard to actually ban an ideology even in heavily authoritarian countries. Doubly so when it's something that's really hard to define, like Fascism. And no, the Ur-fascism paper isn't even the final word on that subject.

[-] titanicx@lemmy.zip 31 points 1 month ago

Looking at America, obviously Nazism isn't banned, we have elected a ton of the fuckers.

[-] theywilleatthestars@lemmy.world 20 points 1 month ago

Because being involved in international politics at the state level has a similarly effect on one's morals as the One Ring

[-] sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml 15 points 1 month ago

Capitalist countries rarely enforce their policies on right wing extremism. Fascism is a guard dog of capital they think they can keep leashed. In the 20th century that guard dog was pointed east so that it could harm the communists which threatened capital then. Today that guard dog is used to control resources in west asia and hide the dirtier work of imperialism that the west doesn't want as seen on their hands. They can't ban zionism because they need Israel and zionism is foundational to Israel.

[-] collar@lemmy.world 15 points 1 month ago

Nazism isn’t “banned” per se, at least in the U.S. as the First Amendment does not allow for viewpoint discrimination, however repugnant a viewpoint might be. But the First Amendment does not protect against cultural, social, or other forms of non-government backlash for those who support disgusting ideologies like Nazism.

So there is no “banning” that could take place of the Zionist viewpoint, if we were to consider it on par with Nazism. By and large in the U.S., Zionism and Nazism are not seen as equally repugnant viewpoints in the cultural landscape, hence the difference in how supporters of these views are treated. Hope that makes sense.

[-] bitjunkie@lemmy.world 13 points 1 month ago
[-] mrdown@lemmy.world 13 points 1 month ago

because Nazis was the enemy and declared war on them while Zionists are the west allies.

[-] Comrade_Spood@quokk.au 13 points 1 month ago

Because those same countries were never ideologically opposed to fascism in the first place. America was a major inspiration for Hitler, namely in its jim crow laws and eugenics. Before world war 2, America loved Hitler. And the western powers are the reason why Zionism exists as an influential ideology to begin with. Britain gave the land for zionists to colonize to begin with. All of these same countries also committed the same atrocities themselves when colonizing places like the Americas, Africa, and Asia. Liberal governments have never been opposed to colonialism, genocide, or fascism.

[-] MrMakabar@slrpnk.net 11 points 1 month ago

Zionism unlike the Nazis is not a threat to western democracy. They want a Jewish state in the Middle East, which is not part of the West. As long as the West is not involved, it usually does nothing or just some arms export bans on the countries and some sanctions on leaders. Currently that is happening in Sudan, which is about as bad as Gaza, but has really nothing to do with the West. There is nothing about it in the news at least in the West.

The real intressting part is more that the West is not sitting on the sitelines, but is somewhat aiding Israel. It obviously depends on the country and some do not do it at all. However even so, you see Western countries moving away from Israel. All but the US that is.

[-] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

The only thing that might be "surprising" for some in the support for Israel by Governments in the West (not to be confused with the general population, which just about everywhere seems to be far more anti-Genocide than the politicians) is how it massivelly contrasts which the last decades of talk of Freedom & Democracy from the politicians as well as the long running official posture towards the last bunch of Genocidal Ethno-Fascists - the NAZIs - which was mainly justified on their ethnic cleansing atrocities.

For those who all along were suspicious of the former words being nothing more than self-serving propaganda from some Western nations to excuse them de facto imposing their will on the people of other lands, usually to take their stuff (most commonly, Oil), and the latter being the useful parts of the truth whilst the inconvenient parts (like, for example, how Churchill himself was a Genocider or how the US profited from the War and only really entered it because of the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor) were as much as possible not talked about, none of what's going on is surprising, except perhaps the pleasant surprise of the reactions of the actual population (not the politicians, especially not the governing ones) in several such countries, often going against the will of the power elites and the heavy propaganda being deployed to convince them otherwise (for example, for all the Genocide-support of the UK Government and the BBC, not that long ago there was a demonstration with half a million Britons against the Genocide - think about it: 1.5% of the British population came out in a demonstration which is entirelly for the good of somebody else, not themselves, so 100% a question of Principle).

The politicians in general are and always have been Sociopaths, but on this which is a massive issue of Moral and Principle (it's hard to come up with a stronger issue of Moral and Principle than the mass murder of children), most of the population are not Sociopaths nor are they following the Sociopaths, even in those countries were they are swamped by pro-Genocide Propaganda, some of which quite subtle and using techniques from Psychology to try and manipulate people's perceptions.

[-] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

What Israel is doing nowadays IS different from what the NAZIs did: the Zionists aren't yet attacking the "superior" races.

The Humanitarianism in Western "Democracies" was always performative, the least democratic the nation the more performative it was, which I why generally you see the most support for Israel in the countries with the least democratic voting systems like the US and the UK (though present day Germany is a bit of an exception to this since they have a mixed voting system with a Proportional Vote component).

Way back in the beginning of NAZIsm the European and American elites loved the NAZIs and their ideas (for example, there is a picture of young British Princess Elizabeth, later Queen Elizabeth, being taught how to do a NAZI salute by her uncle, the then King) and it was only when the NAZIs attacked other Europeans that they turned against the NAZIs. This actually makes lots of sense as the NAZI ideas of the inherent superiority of some over others, especially along ethnic lines, were normalized in early XXth Century American and European society and very popular amongst the old-wealth elites (which naturally saw themselves as inherently superior to the rest, as that explained their higher status and priviledges in their societies - they deserved to be born into wealth because they were superior people)

We're looking back at the NAZIs from the end of a long track that included a period of propaganda heavilly against them which was necessary to inspire the population to support the war effort against them - in the period betwen then and now all the shit they did came out and none of it was reframed to seem justifiable (as is being done right now for the Zionist Genocide by many politicians and news media), quite the contrary: through some of the most powerful means to do so - dramatic films - we were made to experience and empathize with some of the pain of the victims of the Holocaust, mainly the Jewish (curiously, that of the Roma and Sindi was pretty much ignored) as well as repeatedly made to feel pride in the actions of the men and women that fought against the NAZIs in WWII and in the Resistance movements in places like France (just compare the portrayal of the Resistance Française to how Hamas is being portrayed)

I have little doubt that had the NAZIs just sticked to exterminating "lesser races" (like in the eyes of just about every Racist out there the Zionists are doing), the "pragmatism" (read, treating Principles as secondary to the Economic interests of the elites and themselves) of those in "Democratic" governments would have a lot of them justifying, reframing, denying and excusing the murderous actions of the NAZIs and claiming they didn't really do a Genocide, same as they do now for the murderous actions of the Zionists.

By the way, this also explains the massive difference in the reaction to the Russian invasion of Ukraine and the reaction to the Israeli Genocide in Gaza, even though the latter is thousands of times more murderous for civilians.

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[-] _cryptagion@anarchist.nexus 9 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Well, at least in the US, Israel “donates” money via groups like AIPAC to politicians and scores them lucrative business deals in return for political favors and financial aid to Israel, using taxpayer money.

Which they turn around and give a part of it back to the politicians in their next bribe. It’s massively profitable for both Israel and the US politicians, as well as the military contractors who make the weapons the US “sells” to Israel.

In short, Israel helps US politicians embezzle taxpayer money legally for their personal gain.

[-] kbal@fedia.io 8 points 1 month ago

Because... gestures at wikipedia. It's a long story.

[-] Swordinferno@lemmy.world 8 points 1 month ago

Well, at least here in the US it's because our politicians are openly bribed by Israel.

[-] LittleBorat3@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

How do you even define that? Why is pro Russianism not banned?

What should they do after you have been found guilty of Zionism?

PS Nazism ist not banned, it's alive and well.

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[-] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

People are still pretty sorry about the Holocaust, there's Christian mysticism associated with it, the Middle East is a rough neighborhood and Zionists have used all of those things to great effect.

[-] ThunderQueen@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago

Just like most "rough neighborhoods" in the States, it is kept that way by the CIA and capital owners (ie, the empire) to uphold the threats of capitalism

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[-] TheLeadenSea@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 month ago

Because we have freedom of speech so ideas can compete with each other on their own merits, as they should, rather than ideas being forced upon people on the barrel of a gun.

[-] mrdown@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago

Nazi was about the so called Aryan race supermasism, zionism is about the Jewish supermasism. So why oen is ok under freedom of speech and the other no?

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[-] limer@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 month ago

All the western countries done their own genocides within recent history, and have run out of victims. But the basic colonial mindset never went away.

It must be like a breath of fresh air that, yet again, brave Europeans have a frontier to conquer and savages to tame.

That, and most leaders are being actively blackmailed by the Israeli intelligence services; and also, a good chunk of their population thinks Israel is required for their Sky God to kill most of the people on earth and reap their souls in judgment day.

Western democracies have done a lot of progress the last generations, but scratch at the surface and one will find a medieval mindset. Scratch at that and one finds a stone age mindset.

[-] Lyra_Lycan 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

frontier to conquer and savages to tame.

I hear that but I don't see any fucking taming being done - zero countries except Palestine are active, Ukraine is occupied with their own oppression, so zero leaderships are deserving of my recognition or respect. Every single leader is either a weak-chinned worm refusing to object to evil, a savage and cruel monster oppressing the weaker or a nothing who abstains from conflict, and all need to be burned out and replaced by people who can lead.

We need fucking liberation armies

[-] limer@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 month ago

all need to be burned out and replaced by people who can lead

I suspect effective and able leaders are being selected against, in many parts of the planet, due to recent changes of economies and technology.

But even in the older days they were very rare. Societies enable sociopaths regardless of government philosophy. They always have.

I think the Palestinians are victims of an alignment of malice, indifference and arseholes. They cannot be rescued unless evacuated. And the West Bank will follow Gaza later.

Anyone who is not a spineless worm is checked by the American military parked nearby. And contrary to the hopes of many, America will be there for all the steps, and will not just go away due to issues

[-] ShinkanTrain@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

"Western democratic" countries love their manifest destinies and their Lebensraums. The reason they, after a lot of infighting, mostly agreed the Nazis were bad is that they also did it to white people. Zionists are just continuing that proud tradition, now on a target they agree is subhuman, so it's illegal to be against it.

[-] Maeve@kbin.earth 4 points 1 month ago

Nazism isn't banned anywhere. If it were, Zionism and any other nationalism would most certainly be banned.

To answer your question, because it serves capital.

[-] humanspiral@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 month ago

The Zionists are in charge of CIA, and CIA is in charge of every democracy. Democracies not sufficiently supportive of NATO/Israel are rogue authoritarian regimes with rigged elections, that need more CIA NGOs, and media takeover, there to help.

I am not sure how correct you are but you are probably more correct than a lot of responses.

[-] ceenote@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

The people deciding what gets banned are zionists.

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