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Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy has stated that Russia is importing petrol, calling it the rightful result of the work of the Security Service, the Armed Forces, intelligence and Ukrainian weapons manufacturers.

Quote: "Today, there were also reports on our entirely justified strikes against Russian targets – against their logistics and fuel infrastructure. I am grateful to our warriors for their precision. Russia chooses war, Russia destroys our people's lives, and must be held accountable – our long-range capabilities will increase.

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[-] Bullerfar@lemmy.world 104 points 1 week ago

I find it really "eye opening" to watch a "small" country like Ukraine, just demolish a huge behemoth almost all on their own. Yes they got support from USA, that helped them survive a lot of the first invasion wave, where russia wasn't prepared for the resistance they were getting do to bad serveilance reportings, of the russian KGP. But after a lot of the help they are getting from their allies, they have been innovating and forcing themselves out of this.

This is the modern version of David and Goliath. Ukraine has revolutionized modern warfare completely.

[-] freebee@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 days ago

Happened before. Soviet Union Vs. Afghanistan Mujahedeen was an absolute disaster for Soviets and sped up the decline of Warsaw pact.

[-] birdwing 1 points 10 hours ago

In which the USA directly funded the mujahedeen, including Osama bin Laden. When those money flows stopped, unsurprisingly a bunch of radically religious people attacked the USA.

Blame Reagan.

[-] FerretyFever0@fedia.io 66 points 1 week ago

It seems to be similar to the Vietnam War (besides the distances ofc). The US lost that because none of the soldiers actually cared about going to fight in Vietnam, nobody cared about winning. It might be a similar story with Russia. What stakes do the Russian people face if they lose? What does Ukraine have to lose?

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[-] TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world 94 points 1 week ago

Ukraine is what the Allies have been in World War 2-- a really fucking competent leadership. It doesn't matter if the opponent has a bigger stick if he's too stupid to use it and keep missing the swings. That's what Russia is. So much for "corrupt Ukraine". No country is void of corruption, but if Ukraine is as corrupt as Russian propaganda insists they are, they wouldn't have been able to survive this long and embarrass Russia. Speaking of which, it's funny I don't see much Russian bots try to smear Ukraine anymore (maybe Putin is instead focusing on propagandising the Russians). Since Kursk and the deep drone strike campaigns in Russia, it is clear that Russia is losing the propaganda war.

Maybe Ukraine couldn't retake the areas occupied by Russia, but they could deliver a Pyrrhic blow to Kremlin. Russian international prestige already diminished as soon as they invaded.

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 6 points 6 days ago

Ukraine is what the Allies have been in World War 2-- a really fucking competent leadership.

This is inaccurate on two fronts.

[-] TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world 10 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Except this is accurate on all fronts. Compare that to the Axis, who barely coordinated. Hell, Mussolini didn't even tell Hitler he was going to invade Greece. When that didn't work out, Hitler had to bail him out. That pushed the German invasion of the Soviet Union by one or two months. Who knows, maybe those two months could have allowed Germany to arrive in Moscow earlier and avoid the freezing winter, and history as we know it may have turned differently. Don't even get me started the wastefulness of the Holocaust (the brain drain and potential manpower wasted), which Mussolini himself stated long before that the Nazi's racial obsession is wasteful. This is why I want to smash the myth of efficiency of Nazi war machine, because they never were.

Also read up on Truman committee, who monitored corruption and wastefulness during the war period. They saved about $15 billion.

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 2 points 6 days ago

This is why I want to smash the myth of efficiency of Nazi war machine

Broadly speaking, the myth is of "efficient war machine". These sprawling, ego-driven, blunders of resource mismanagement aren't specific to any one faction or ideological tenor.

The idea that Ukraine is some kind of model of efficiency is just war propaganda. The Spring Offensive of 2023 was a trainwreck.

Similarly, the mythology of British/American logistical accumen is wildly overinflated. Normandy was only possible because the Eastern Front was sucking up so much of Germany's material and manpower. The far bigger win for the Allies was simply the Radar + cracking Enigma, blunting Operation Sea Lion.

[-] TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world 5 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

The idea that Ukraine is some kind of model of efficiency is just war propaganda. The Spring Offensive of 2023 was a trainwreck.

Oh, and Russia is better? Is that why they are stuck in Ukraine for two years now with the frontlines barely budging at the cost of something like 900,000 Russian casualties? The 2022 Kharkiv counter offensive liberated 200 km2 in just three months? The Black Sea fleet essentially nonexistent? Russia can't defend itself from deep drone incursions for a country supposedly more powerful? I don't know what your agenda is, but the results speak for itself. Like I said, it doesn't matter if the person wields a bigger stick if he can't use it well and keeps missing. The Ukrainian spring offensive failed in 2023 but the Ukrainians learned; the Russians didn't.

Similarly, the mythology of British/American logistical accumen is wildly overinflated.

They are better. The Allies have prepared for a war with Germany. The US alone have been able to mobilise its factories for war production and enlist 600,000 men (if I remember the figures correctly) in just six months after Pearl Harbor, unlike in WWI which took them a better part of one year to do so. The country already produced and sent hundreds of Liberty ships to supply UK and USSR. Germany, on the other hand, by admission of German generals after the war, stated they only had enough men and supplies to last them less than a year at the start of the war, if they don't defeat the West quickly. Because Hitler did not expect the Allies to declare war on him after invading Poland. Germany was actually on the brink of bankruptcy just before they invaded Poland.

On the Asia Pacific front, Japan also didn't inform Germany of the plan to bomb Pearl Harbor. Couple of days later, Germany declared war on US unnecessarily. So yes, tell me how efficient this is.

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 3 points 6 days ago

Oh, and Russia is better?

No. They're also awful, as evidenced Prigovahn's Leroy Jenkins attack on Moscow.

But the bar for greatness isn't the clumsiness of your opposition. This war is Pyrrich for both countries. The only winners are the arms dealers.

I don’t know what your agenda is,

I am literally Vladimir Putin himself, trying to get you to think badly of the Ukrainian military, because I know your personal opinion is the lynchpin to who wins the war.

They are better. The Allies have prepared for a war with Germany.

They famously were not prepared which lead to France collapsing as Germany outflanked the Maginot Line for the second time in two World Wars.

Belgium wasn't prepared either. It was flattened in months.

Poland wasn't prepared. Ukraine wasn't prepared. Russia was barely prepared. North Africa was run straight through.

The US alone have been able to mobilise its factories for war production and enlist 600,000 men (if I remember the figures correctly) in just six months after Pearl Harbor

The US was backstopping the UK, Russia, and China for three full years (closer to ten, if you count the Japanese invasion of the Chinese mainland).

They didn't need six months to mobilize. They just needed an excuse to ramp up military spending in a recession.

Germany, on the other hand, by admission of German generals after the war, stated they only had enough men and supplies to last them less than a year at the start of the war

The joke of this was that the US was helping them out, too! At least at the outset. American industry was instrumental in gassing up German tanks and tabulating head count for concentration camps.

Even at the late stage of the war, American spies and diplomats were eager to make peace with Berlin and pivot the Nazis back Eastward. The only thing that saved Hitler from the DC anti-Communist rubber chicken speaking circuit was Russian tanks beating Americans to the capital.

On the Asia Pacific front, Japan also didn’t inform Germany of the plan to bomb Pearl Harbor. Couple of days later, Germany declared war on US unnecessarily

The US was half in bed with the Germans, but fully in bed with the British. The only way they were going to escape War with the US was somehow getting Edward VIII to bump off Churchill.

[-] TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world 1 points 6 days ago

They famously were not prepared which lead to France collapsing as Germany outflanked the Maginot Line for the second time in two World Wars.

The Maginot Line did work as intended. The Germans did go around as intended after all. The Allies just didn't expect the German' main blow through the Ardennes.

Ukraine wasn't prepared. Russia was barely prepared.

Ukraine knew what was coming after the intelligence reports started coming of possible Russian attack. They've been at proxy war with Russia after all for eight years before the full scale invasion.

The Russians weren't even prepared at all. You're conveniently forgetting that Russian troops were told they were going on a military exercise but surprised to find they are in Ukraine. They were also given outdated maps. They quickly rushed through Ukraine without their supply lines being protected. Meanwhile, Ukraine know how to protect their supply lines.

They didn't need six months to mobilize.

Roosevelt and Churchill knew they will come to blows with the Axis sooner or later. Roosevelt made a speech about the US being arsenal of democracy long before US entered the war.

This war is Pyrrich for both countries. The only winners are the arms dealers.

They just needed an excuse to ramp up military spending in a recession.

Gradually showing the true colours, are we? Invoking the usual "only the arms manufacturers benefit" to try to smear a justified self-defense that Kremlin push.

Even at the late stage of the war, American spies and diplomats were eager to make peace with Berlin and pivot the Nazis back Eastward. The only thing that saved Hitler from the DC anti-Communist rubber chicken speaking circuit was Russian tanks beating Americans to the capital.

Do you have a source? Or is this voodoo historical distortionism? The Nazis tried to make overtures to the West many times in their self-delusion that the Allies will be convinced to fight the Soviets (which was the Nazi belief from the start of the war), but the Allies refused many times. You are forgetting the Allied and Soviet meetings throughout the war discussing war plans and their vision of post-war world. The Allies can't reneg on the deal and so are the Soviets. So, it doesn't make sense for the Allies to capture Berlin, since Berlin was agreed upon to be under Soviet influence after the war, and it's a waste of time and needless deaths for the Allies.

The US was half in bed with the Germans

US ships were already in skirmish with German u-boats for well over a year before Pearl Harbor.

Oh the right, useful idiots for Kremlin.

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 2 points 6 days ago

The Germans did go around as intended

Jesus Christ.

[-] TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world 1 points 6 days ago

How do you know basic facts? Lol that was the intention of Maginot line!

[-] Psythik@lemmy.world 5 points 6 days ago

Well? Where's your counter-argunent? I'm listening...

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 2 points 6 days ago
[-] Psythik@lemmy.world 4 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

I asked for a counter-argument, not a lazy link that only serves to support the other person's argument! Come on, man, you can do better than that! Show me what you got!

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 3 points 6 days ago

I asked for a counter-argument, not a lazy link

You get what you pay for. The 2023 counteroffensive was a total flop. It was so bad that Prigozhin's whole mercenary company walked away from the front lines and marched on Moscow without costing Russia an iota of stolen territory.

You could learn how and why it failed, if you bothered to read the finer details. But you've chosen to be a cheerleader for a disastrous management of the world's fifth largest military instead. Might as well announce you're a die-hard fan of William McClellan as defend the Ukrainian top brass.

[-] TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world 1 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Why are you defining Ukraine's performance over on one battle? That's like saying the Allies lost World War 2 because they lost the Battle of France, Singapore and Manila. You are conveniently forgetting the 2022 Kharkiv counteroffensive, the destruction of Russian Black Sea fleet and the ongoing drone campaigns. Those are good planning. The main reason the Ukrainian 2023 offensive flopped was because of intelligence leak and the Russians knew of the plan and had time to dig in. The best comparison to this is the WWII Battle of Kursk and when Rommel attacked first before the British does, because they knew what's coming thanks of intelligence leaks.

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 1 points 5 days ago

Why are you defining Ukraine’s performance over on one battle?

It's a clear illustration of their overall military performance.

That’s like saying the Allies lost World War 2 because they lost the Battle of France, Singapore and Manila.

These are all strong indictments of Allies military strategy and a big reason why the war dragged on until 1945, killed tens of millions of additional people.

The main reason the Ukrainian 2023 offensive flopped was because of intelligence leak

You simply do not know what you're talking about. The Ukrainians underestimated Russian fortifications and artillery power, then deployed what was a relatively large and agile pool of armored vehicles into a series of choke points that were easy to bombard.

[-] TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world 1 points 5 days ago

Lol, did you learn military strategy and tactics from videogames? Do you think you could end any wars quickly? Look here folks! We got someone better than the Ukrainian and all Allied generals combined. It is though as if you are playing against an AI and could finish a fight in one hour! Tell NATO and Putin about this random internet stranger!

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 1 points 5 days ago

We got someone better than the Ukrainian and all Allied generals combined.

Good luck on the front lines.

[-] Psythik@lemmy.world 1 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Thank you. I disagree, but I will consider your argument and dig deeper when I get the chance to.

[-] towerful@programming.dev 33 points 1 week ago

Maybe Ukraine couldn't retake the areas occupied by Russia, but they could deliver a Pyrrhic blow to Kremlin.

They have delivered a pyrrhic victory.
Russia thought they could take Kyiv (Ukraine?) on 3 days.
The fact that Ukraine has resisted so hard, have redefined the modern battlefield, have conducted huge deep strikes...
Ukraine is winning.

The reason Ukraine may not be "winning" is because the Russian war machine is huge. Like really really big.
The reason that Ukraine is "winning" is because the Russian war machine is outdated and corrupt.

The western opinion of Russia has been devastated. Russia tested themselves, and failed.
Russia is holding on by their nukes.

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[-] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 34 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Headline seems true. To quote ISW's Oct 1 report:

Gasoline shortages continue in Russia and occupied Ukraine due to repeated Ukrainian strikes on Russian oil refineries. Russian energy-focused outlet Seala told Russian state outlet RBK on September 30 that Russian oil refineries are temporarily facing a 38 percent decrease (roughly 338,000 tons per day) in their primary oil refining capacity as of September 28 due to Ukrainian drone strikes, which have struck more than two dozen major oil refineries in Russia since early August 2025.[20] Seala estimated that Russia’s total available capacity for gasoline and diesel fuel production fell by 6 percent in August 2025 and by another 18 percent in September 2025, reaching historic lows. Seala estimated that Ukrainian drone strikes caused approximately 70 percent of downtime in gasoline production as the strikes disabled approximately a quarter of Russia’s oil refining capacity (roughly 236,000 tons per day) by the end of September 2025, and that four more Russian refineries, including two of the top five largest Russian oil refineries, halted production after drone strikes. Independent Russian outlet the Moscow Times reported that the fuel crisis has impacted the Far East and occupied Crimea the hardest, where Russian authorities have banned sales of more than 30 liters of gasoline per customer since the beginning of the week (roughly September 28).[21] Crimean occupation head Sergey Aksyonov announced on October 1 a limit of 20 liters of gasoline per customer in an effort to mitigate the gasoline shortage.[22] Russian economist Vladislav Inozemtsev noted that Russian oil companies have to wait months for repairs to damaged refineries, as Western sanctions have blocked the sale of equipment and replacement parts on which Russia relies and cannot easily replace with Chinese equivalents. Russian business outlet Kommersant reported that Russian Deputy Prime Minister Alexander Novak outlined to Prime Minister Mikhail Mishustin on September 24 several possible means of alleviating Russia’s desperation for gas, including a zero-rate five percent import customs duty on gasoline imported from the People’s Republic of China (PRC), South Korea, and Singapore through certain checkpoints in the Far East.[23] Novak also reportedly proposed a rule that Russia will only authorize certain companies to supply fuel, which would allow Russia to export approximately 150,000 tons of gasoline from Siberian refineries westward per month to maintain supply balances in central Russia. Novak also reportedly proposed increasing gasoline imports from Belarus from 45,000 tons to 300,000 tons per month. RBK reported that Belarus began exporting gasoline to Russia in September 2025 after a pause that began in Fall 2024.[24]

Russia’s problems with oil refinery capabilities will likely persist amidst more damage to Russian oil refineries. Russian authorities and sources reported on October 1 that there was a large fire at the Yaroslavl Oil Refinery, located 700 kilometers from the Ukrainian border.[25] Yaroslavl Oblast Governor Mikhail Evraev claimed on October 1 that the incident is unrelated to a drone attack, and neither Ukrainian nor Russian sources have attributed responsibility for the fire.[26] Rostov Oblast Governor Yuriy Slyusar claimed that a Ukrainian drone strike overnight caused a fire at an industrial facility in Verkhnedonsky Raion, Rostov Oblast, and NASA FIRMS data indicates that there was a fire at the Sukhodolnaya Oil Pumping Station in Rostov Oblast.[27]

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