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submitted 1 week ago by MicroWave@lemmy.world to c/world@lemmy.world

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy has stated that Russia is importing petrol, calling it the rightful result of the work of the Security Service, the Armed Forces, intelligence and Ukrainian weapons manufacturers.

Quote: "Today, there were also reports on our entirely justified strikes against Russian targets – against their logistics and fuel infrastructure. I am grateful to our warriors for their precision. Russia chooses war, Russia destroys our people's lives, and must be held accountable – our long-range capabilities will increase.

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[-] TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world 94 points 6 days ago

Ukraine is what the Allies have been in World War 2-- a really fucking competent leadership. It doesn't matter if the opponent has a bigger stick if he's too stupid to use it and keep missing the swings. That's what Russia is. So much for "corrupt Ukraine". No country is void of corruption, but if Ukraine is as corrupt as Russian propaganda insists they are, they wouldn't have been able to survive this long and embarrass Russia. Speaking of which, it's funny I don't see much Russian bots try to smear Ukraine anymore (maybe Putin is instead focusing on propagandising the Russians). Since Kursk and the deep drone strike campaigns in Russia, it is clear that Russia is losing the propaganda war.

Maybe Ukraine couldn't retake the areas occupied by Russia, but they could deliver a Pyrrhic blow to Kremlin. Russian international prestige already diminished as soon as they invaded.

[-] towerful@programming.dev 33 points 6 days ago

Maybe Ukraine couldn't retake the areas occupied by Russia, but they could deliver a Pyrrhic blow to Kremlin.

They have delivered a pyrrhic victory.
Russia thought they could take Kyiv (Ukraine?) on 3 days.
The fact that Ukraine has resisted so hard, have redefined the modern battlefield, have conducted huge deep strikes...
Ukraine is winning.

The reason Ukraine may not be "winning" is because the Russian war machine is huge. Like really really big.
The reason that Ukraine is "winning" is because the Russian war machine is outdated and corrupt.

The western opinion of Russia has been devastated. Russia tested themselves, and failed.
Russia is holding on by their nukes.

[-] phutatorius@lemmy.zip 23 points 6 days ago

(maybe Putin is instead focusing on propagandising the Russians)

Or maybe Putin decided the bot farmers were needed at the front lines as drone fodder.

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 6 points 6 days ago

Ukraine is what the Allies have been in World War 2-- a really fucking competent leadership.

This is inaccurate on two fronts.

[-] TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world 10 points 6 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Except this is accurate on all fronts. Compare that to the Axis, who barely coordinated. Hell, Mussolini didn't even tell Hitler he was going to invade Greece. When that didn't work out, Hitler had to bail him out. That pushed the German invasion of the Soviet Union by one or two months. Who knows, maybe those two months could have allowed Germany to arrive in Moscow earlier and avoid the freezing winter, and history as we know it may have turned differently. Don't even get me started the wastefulness of the Holocaust (the brain drain and potential manpower wasted), which Mussolini himself stated long before that the Nazi's racial obsession is wasteful. This is why I want to smash the myth of efficiency of Nazi war machine, because they never were.

Also read up on Truman committee, who monitored corruption and wastefulness during the war period. They saved about $15 billion.

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[-] Psythik@lemmy.world 5 points 5 days ago

Well? Where's your counter-argunent? I'm listening...

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[-] PKscope@lemmy.world 7 points 6 days ago

I'm just concerned about what happens if things start to go really badly for the Russians. Nothing good can come of a nuclear superpower that feels threatened and backed into a corner, either by the enemy or their own populace.

[-] phutatorius@lemmy.zip 23 points 6 days ago

They were ground to a standstill in Afghanistan too, and the apocalypse failed to materialize.

Some geriatic leaders were shown to be incompetent, so they were replaced by other elderly drunks.

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[-] Saledovil@sh.itjust.works 12 points 6 days ago

Eh, the people around Putin know that they have better odds of maintaining their lives and fortune when no nukes fly.

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[-] drhodl@lemmy.world 22 points 6 days ago

It will be fun when Ukraine starts locating and burning the imports, too :) Fuck Pootin, and fuck ruzzia. They are curse to humanity !

[-] phutatorius@lemmy.zip 9 points 6 days ago

Destruction of pipelines and refineries will mean that it doesn't matter where the fuel's coming from. They'll either have to import refined products or do without.

[-] drhodl@lemmy.world 9 points 6 days ago

Indeed. But I'm also suggesting that the import facilities are targets now, too. If they can't produce, and can't import, they will just have to live like the cavemen that ruzzians are.

[-] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 20 points 6 days ago

Only finished product, right? Russia without the ability to net export crude is basically just land.

[-] fort_burp@feddit.nl 5 points 6 days ago

Not even very good land:

Russia has been facing severe environmental issues, with the country's Natural Resources Ministry naming 35 cities and towns with dangerously high air pollution levels. The country's air pollution is largely attributed to industrial activity and vehicular traffic, with over 200 cities exceeding pollution limits. The Krasnoyarsk region has the highest air pollution level, with the city of Norilsk being the worst offender, releasing 1,787,000 tons of pollutants into the air. Other major cities like Moscow, St. Petersburg, Yekaterinburg, and Volgograd also experience high concentrations of air pollution. Water pollution is also a serious concern, with 75% of surface water and 50% of all water in Russia contaminated. The country's soil degradation, nuclear waste storage, and deforestation further contribute to its environmental challenges.

[-] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Ah, the old Soviet approach to environmentalism: that's a bunch of capitalist hogwash Ivan, just dump out the arsenic anywhere.

[-] BilSabab@lemmy.world 12 points 6 days ago

Nothing to see here. It's fake news. russia strong. Resistance is futile... ROFL

[-] TheObviousSolution@lemmy.ca 7 points 6 days ago

Ukraine Uno Reversed Russia, petrostate is now petroneedstate.

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