Snapdragon X2 Elite Extreme
That doesn't sound very high end, I think I'll wait for the Pro version, preferably Pro Plus.
BadDragon X2 Elite Extreme MAGNUM
That one will go hard
The Rare version?
The Raw Rare version ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
It sounds like an advertisement for a condom or dildo
Don't you want to put on some of this thermal paste?
Where this is going, baby, you don't need no thermal paste!
faints on floor
Elite Extreme
Sounds like it focuses more on shiny RGB than performance.
X2 "Elite Extreme" probably in ideal conditions vs. the base M4 chip in a real-world device. Sure, nice single core results but Apple will likely counter with the M5 (the A19 Pro already reaches around 4,000 and the M chips can probably clock a bit higher). And the M4 Pro and Max already score as high or higher in multi-core. Real world in a 14 inch laptop.
It doesn't "crush" the M4 series at all and we'll see how it'll perform in a comparable power/thermal envelope.
I don't hate what Qualcomm is doing here, but these chips only work properly under Windows and the Windows app ecosystem still hasn't embraced ARM all that much, and from what I've heard Windows' x64 to ARM translation layer is not as good as Rosetta 2. Linux support is pretty horrible, especially at launch.
Let me know when these X elite chips have full Linux compatibility and then I’ll be interested. Until then, I’ll stick with Mac, it has the better hardware.
Friendly Question: has M4 full linux support?
I think I see what you’re saying. My gripe is that if I want a laptop/tablet with a great ARM chip, with long battery life, my options all force me to use one of two operating systems that I’d prefer not to use for ideological reasons. If I’m forced to use one, because I want an ARM device, I might as well use the one that has the best hardware. M5s are right around the corner and the MacBook Airs are really competitive.
If I misinterpreted your question, then no, as far as I’m aware, none of the M series has FULL support. The M1s and M2s are pretty close though.
Not who you asked, but at bare minimum macOS continues to be certified UNIX.
GNU is Not Unix.
Absolutely ture, your comment being? I think they were simply referencing the fact that there is a lot more software out there that can be made to semi easily run on linux/unix based systems.
Also while Linux is not the same as UNIX, interacting with them is much more similar than, say, interacting with Windows. They use a lot of the same conventions and managing macOS can be a lot like managing Linux if you want it to be.
Also while Linux is not the same as UNIX, interacting with them is much more similar than, say, interacting with Windows.
If you use only GUI, the underlying system philosophy is practically irrelevant.
If you use CLI, you can literally use the same distribution within WSL as you use on a Linux computer. I like using openSUSE's zypper in WSL more than I like brew on macOS.
Yeah brew sucks ass
As long as you don't try to use sed or grep. Literally the only reason I learned perl was because of the flag incompatibilities between macos Unix and Linux utils.
Yeah true, but if you use macOS expecting Linux that doesn’t make any sense. Then it’d just be Linux with a different DE lol. Hopefully doesn’t come across as snarky but pointing these differences out always seems rather pointless to me, they do exist but I mean yeah it’s not the same os.
Yeah I guess, but it's still annoying to have identically named tools that do the same job but aren't compatible. Or, like, base64 -d on macos can gobble the last char of output. So then you have to homebrew coreutils or something, but it just means that stuff that you feel should work compatibly out-of-the-box doesn't, and writing *nix scripts without perl is just a pita.
I forget what my point here is.
Man… I knew this answer would come. 😀
M1 still doesn't have full Linux support, unfortunately. They've done a lot of good work, but it isn't there yet. Yet, another reason not to buy snapdragon PCs yet.
LOL.
Yeah I'll wait for independent benchmarks, thanks.
With actual devices
This will be super cool when we actually have OSs that can run on them!
*X Elite opens browser windows faster under desktop cooling.
FTFY
Windows 11 will turn this into a 486.
Then Apple releases M5.
And here I am with my cheap old quad core doing my stuff.
Except for the theoretical interest, what are we supposed to do with stuff like that? Is it just more data centers? Does I sound like 640KB is enough?
How's the GPU drivers though? Especially to me for Linux. These should be used in PC gaming handhelds but Qualcomm support is mediocre
How's the GPU drivers though? Especially to me for Linux.
Not. The answer is not.
linux on arm is not mature. on windows, typically emulation of x86 is used. They'll need to also support all of the gpu libraries for gaming.
Desktop linux on arm*. The kernel itself has been running on embedded arm deviced for 25 years and on a large portion of phones for 15.
The question was about GPU drivers, and GPU drivers for ARM-based SoCs aren't even mature on Android. They are going to suck on Linux.
Compared to the drivers for Mali, Adreno and consorts, Nvidia is a bunch of saints, and we know how much Nvidia drivers suck under Linux.
Asahi linux is perhaps only distro that is trying to support "desktop arm". Not just gpu, but it does not post for M3/M4 arm chips. Qualcom does not have an OS protection racket, and so could be more helpful to the project, but phone support (limited/tailored to each chip generation it seems) doesn't seem to mean all future arm automagically supported.
There are quite a few more. For example Debian, Ubuntu, Manjaro, Arch, Fedora, Alpine and Kali also have ARM ports (and probably many others too). Raspberry OS is purpose-built for ARM Desktop. There's others too.
Asahi isn't specifically an ARM Linux, but an Apple Silicon Linux.
Apple Silicon is ARM, but it's also its own semi-custom thing that's not directly compatible with other ARM stuff.
That's the main issue with supporting ARM: You don't have one platform like x86/x64.
On x86/x64 there's an abstraction between the machine code language and the microcode that's actually executed in the CPU. There's a microcode translation layer in the CPU that translates one to the other, so x86/x64 chip designers have a lot of freedom when designing their actual CPU. The downside being that the translation layer consumes a little bit of performance.
There's also the UEFI system and a ton of other things that keep the platform stable and standardized, so that you can run essentially the same software on a 15yo Intel CPU and a modern AMD.
ARM is much more diverse. Some run Devicetree, some don't. There are also multiple different ARM architectures, and since they are customizable, there's just so much variety.
thank you for correction. Do any linux distributions support qualcomm's first (last gen) "elite win/chorme books?"
I don't have personal experience with that, but according to google (https://www.linaro.org/blog/linux-on-snapdragon-x-elite) it is at least a thing.
Wouldn't expect it to be great though.
If it's anything like their windows driver support then also awful. Maybe things have improved in the last year or so, but has Qualcomm ever put real effort into making ARM Windows laptops good?
I highly doubt this is accurate. Be nice, but doubt it.
desktop-class performance at mobile-class power draw
checks source
windowcentral.com
Nothing to see here, folks.
Can't wait for Linux to support it and Tuxedo creating a laptop with it.
In my experience, arm64 is nowhere close to x64 with heavy multi processing/threading loads.
Oh no, each new chip is going to be tree at something than another chip and vice versa. Anyways, what did people have for lunch?
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