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[-] octopus_ink@slrpnk.net 235 points 11 months ago

Have we ever lived in a more stallmanwasright.jpg time?

[-] manxu@piefed.social 57 points 11 months ago

I never wanted him to be wrong more than right now. Except for tomorrow, it's probably going to bé worse, tomorrow

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[-] Zacryon@feddit.org 147 points 10 months ago
[-] Hobo@lemmy.world 53 points 10 months ago

~~Don't be evil~~

Be evil when it makes money.

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[-] barnaclebutt@lemmy.world 125 points 11 months ago

Isn't this illegal in Europe? Was that the whole point of forcing apple to allow alternative app stores?

[-] progandy@feddit.org 41 points 11 months ago

Technically, third party app stores are allowed. Developers "only" register with google to receive a developer certificate. Isn't apple doing the same thing in response to the EU regulations and that has been allowed?

[-] Jason2357@lemmy.ca 39 points 11 months ago

Seems like a weasel around the requirement to get rid of the actual benefit of 3rd party stores.

[-] bigFab@lemmy.world 26 points 11 months ago

I can't believe how useless the EU regulations are.

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[-] cronenthal@discuss.tchncs.de 107 points 11 months ago

There's never been a more urgent time to switch to Linux on pretty much every device.

[-] rumba@lemmy.zip 58 points 11 months ago

The mobile options for Linux are years out from being ready and the hardware vendors are locking them out as fast as possible.

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[-] pHr34kY@lemmy.world 21 points 11 months ago

The stepping-stone would be de-googled Android like LineageOS or GrapheneOS. I think Linux is the end-game though.

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[-] blueworld@piefed.world 91 points 11 months ago

For those in Europe, write your representatives.

Fro me f-droid's post: https://f-droid.org/2025/09/29/google-developer-registration-decree.html

What do we propose?

Regulatory and competition authorities should look carefully at Google’s proposed activities, and ensure that policies designed to improve security are not abused to consolidate monopoly control. We urge regulators to safeguard the ability of alternative app stores and open-source projects to operate freely, and to protect developers who cannot or will not comply with exclusionary registration schemes and demands for personal information.

If you are a developer or user who values digital freedom, you can help. Write to your Member of ParliamentCongressperson or other representative, sign petitions in defense of sideloading, and contact the European Commission’s Digital Markets Act (DMA) team to express why preserving open distribution matters. By making your voice heard, you help defend not only F-Droid, but the principle that software should remain a commons, accessible and free from unnecessary corporate gatekeeping.

https://f-droid.org/2025/09/04/twif.html [^antifeatures]: F-Droid Anti-Features overview: https://f-droid.org/docs/Anti-Features/ [^howmanyusers]: How many F-Droid users are there, exactly? We don’t know, because we don’t track users or have any registration. “No user accounts, by design”: https://f-droid.org/2022/02/28/no-user-accounts-by-design.html [^sideloading]: ‘“Sideload” is a weird euphemism that the mobile duopoly came up with; it means “installing software without our permission,” which we used to just call “installing software” (because you don’t need a manufacturer’s permission to install software on your computer).’ — Pluralistic: Darth Androidhttps://pluralistic.net/2025/09/01/fulu/ [^playprotect]: “Google Play Protect checks your apps and devices for harmful behavior”: https://support.google.com/googleplay/answer/2812853

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[-] supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz 85 points 11 months ago

I will literally go without a smartphone if Google does this, this is insane I would have bought an iphone if I wanted a junk device I don't actually own.

[-] Jinni@sh.itjust.works 62 points 11 months ago

If this effects de-googled android, I will probably start investing in Linux phones.

I would rather have a limited phone than has full freedom than one that makes everyone go through Google.

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[-] Flatfire@lemmy.ca 43 points 11 months ago

The crazy part is this may make iOS the better alternative when considering the emergence of third-party app stores and Apple's loosening grip on their ecosystem.

LineageOS is still a good option too, for anyone who would prefer to keep the phone they have

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[-] seraphine 79 points 10 months ago
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[-] art@lemmy.world 74 points 10 months ago

I'm starting to think these for-profit companies only care about making money.

[-] edgyspazkid@lemmy.wtf 22 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

gulp You might be right

[-] goatinspace@feddit.org 64 points 11 months ago
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[-] DarkSideOfTheMoon@lemmy.world 62 points 11 months ago

Open source community keeps trusting Google and they keep using the Embrace, Extend, Extinguish https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace,_extend,_and_extinguish

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[-] MrSulu@lemmy.ml 62 points 10 months ago

Let's hope that the rest of the world, specifically Europe smash this ridiculous proposal apart for what it is. Europe has already sorted out USB-C etc. Its not perfect and they don't get everything right, but certainly big enough to make stuff right.

[-] SpaceCadet@sopuli.xyz 42 points 10 months ago

They're too busy forcing chat control and age gates through our collective throats.

[-] kalkulat@lemmy.world 23 points 10 months ago

Yep. The E.U. has allowed itself to be dominated for too long by the US megacorps. It has the talent, ideas, and manufacturing to tell US firms to bugger off ... and the sooner, the better for us all.

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[-] damon@lemmy.world 58 points 11 months ago

Hopefully they go to court to get an injunction. Hopefully, they also go to the powers that be in the EU, those same powers have been so focused on the Apple App Store they failed to take into account Google can do something like this with the Play Store. It would be a shame for the F-Droid project to end but it is completely avoidable.

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[-] leastaction@lemmy.ca 58 points 11 months ago

It seems to me that part of the problem is overreliance on phones as computing devices. A lot of things, like banking, are best done on an actual computer. We have become too dependent on phones.

[-] DreamlandLividity@lemmy.world 21 points 10 months ago

Your phone has likely much better security for your banking apps than your computer, unless you run really niche setup like QubesOS.

[-] traceur402 42 points 10 months ago

We as a society should be rethinking the term "security", if it's come to mean submitting to being jerked around however best suits some private company's interests instead of our own. If there's a central platform for its security benefit it should be democratically controlled instead of controlled by what are effectively feudal lords, or perhaps even an occupying force

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[-] Wispy2891@lemmy.world 57 points 10 months ago

What pisses me off it that they say they do this for security. It changes absolutely anything.

They really think that malware developers will say "oh no! I need to submit a picture of an id card to sign my malware! It's literally impossible to submit a jpg of a stolen id card, I'm ruined and out of a job!"

What does it change? Waste 20 minutes of some malware developer while they register under a stolen id? They already have a system that scans for known malware and automatically remove it.

[-] fading_person@lemmy.zip 55 points 10 months ago

It's always security when someone wants to take our freedom away. Always security...

[-] boonhet@sopuli.xyz 29 points 10 months ago

Not always. It can also be about the children.

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[-] ZombieMantis@lemmy.world 50 points 11 months ago

"Year of the Linux Phone" has a nice ring to it.

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[-] ezterry@lemmy.zip 45 points 10 months ago

I am perfectly ok with android apps being required to be signed by not just a certificate (they always were just it could be self signed and just needed to match to upgrade without removing data) but a list of trusted entities.

As long as:

  • I can install my own key on my phone (I'd I am trusted)
  • major distributors like fdroid and have a key installed without friction (like web CAs)
  • Google let's me mark their key as untrusted (I probably won't but I should be able to refuse things they trust (at install time, not disabling preloaded apps like settings)

Without this it feels too much extending the monopoly despite being forced to allow 3rd party stores.

[-] klobuerschtler@lemmy.world 30 points 11 months ago

EU be like: Really? Didn't you learn from Apple?

[-] WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.world 30 points 11 months ago

This is why I didn't bother switching to GOS, Lineage, Calyx etc despite being sick of Apple's anti-foss monopoly — marketed as Privacy™️ and Security™️ — for years.

The late stage capitalism of western oligarchies indicated that Google's rug pull of AOSP was an imminent inevitability. After already having to change my services and workflows multiple times over the last 2 decades — despite careful analysis and forethought — due to services ever changing value propositions, acquisitions, and all other forms of enshittification, I'm at the point where I won't bother wasting energy on 99% of digital products unless they're open source and I can run them indefinitely on my own Linux server.

The more dependent you grow on digital products, the more interdependent they become, and the more time and effort is required to replace or substitute them.

[-] Tetsuo@jlai.lu 34 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

This is why I didn't bother switching to GOS, Lineage, Calyx etc despite being sick of Apple's anti-foss monopoly — marketed as Privacy™️ and Security™️ — for years.

Bullshit. If you liked so much your freedom and privacy you would have many opportunities to use open source ROMs. You chose to stay on your iPhone because it was easy.

Also absolutely not believing you when you say that you anticipated the rug pull and chose to "not bother" for that reason. What a poor excuse for staying and supporting the closed ecosystem of Apple.

After already having to change my services and workflows multiple times over the last 2 decades

I can't believe someone who has been for years on an iPhone would pretend they are an ardent defender of freedom and open source.

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[-] sudoer777@lemmy.ml 22 points 10 months ago

Right now the only decently speced phone with mainline Linux support is the Oneplus 6, and the only one I can find is being sold for $2000

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