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[-] cronenthal@discuss.tchncs.de 107 points 4 days ago

There's never been a more urgent time to switch to Linux on pretty much every device.

[-] rumba@lemmy.zip 57 points 4 days ago

The mobile options for Linux are years out from being ready and the hardware vendors are locking them out as fast as possible.

[-] tomenzgg@midwest.social 10 points 4 days ago
[-] rumba@lemmy.zip 12 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

It's still Android kernel and drivers :/ but it is private. For Linux you'd need postmarket or one of their derivatives and they are fighting to get cameras and power under control.

prob the best we have at the moment.

edit: to be clear, I'm saying Halium is the best we have at the moment, real linux is trucking along but it's still a long way out.

[-] WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works 4 points 4 days ago

and what's the problem with android other than google's fuckery?

[-] rumba@lemmy.zip 10 points 4 days ago

Assuming google's fuckery doesn't affect them, nothing.

But we're relying on google to keep up that code and not see them as a threat. Right now AOK, but in the future that makes longevity questionable.

It's something to be noticed and understood so there's no surprises when the company that did no evil now does all the evil.

[-] WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works 4 points 4 days ago

they can take down the code today and not much will happen, as the code is mirrored elsewhere.

[-] rumba@lemmy.zip 9 points 4 days ago

Obv, they can't take what we have, which is why for now we're OK. The winds are shifting, though. I expect at some point, I expect android will require a deal with the devil from manufacturers. Start actively combatting linux phones.

For now, it's a quick path to privacy, long term, we're going to need friendly hardware

[-] mfed1122@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 3 days ago

I think the big problem with this, as far as I know, is that this code needs pretty rapid security updates that require a fairly huge and experienced team of people to both find, understand and implement the security changes. Otherwise it becomes very insecure very quickly. So yeah we can always use 2019 Android, etc. But it would just put you at a huge security risk.

[-] WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works 1 points 3 days ago

doesn't the same apply to any operating system, including the linux phone distributions? android has security measures that may be breached, but mobile linux has much fewer security measures at all

[-] mfed1122@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 3 days ago

Yes, it does apply to every operating system - hence, the differentiator becomes whether the operating system has hundreds of millions of dollars to spend on dedicated security development. This is why a lot of companies now don't even let you use Android devices for BYOD aside from Google or Samsung, because they're the only companies with the resources to keep their security really up to date.

[-] WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works 1 points 3 days ago

my point is that if the open source community cannot figure out just maintenance of an android system, there's no chance of creating a real mobile linux distribution, as it would need the aforementioned maintenance and the development of additional features

[-] mfed1122@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Ahhh I see, I was confused about what you were getting at. My mistake. And yes that's very true...hmm. More dire than I was even thinking then..

Honestly this is exactly the kind of thing that taxes and governments are supposed to be good for handling. Failures within failures I suppose!

[-] WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works 3 points 3 days ago

no worries. but that's why I think android would be a much better base for a free software mobile operating system than a current linux distribution. lots of engineering work and experience went into making it, both on the technical sides and in the UX, with lots and lots of feedback. it has largely solved permissions, inter-app communication, power saving, things like these, and I mean all in the AOSP project, forgetting about the proprietary google mobile services.
not everything is perfect, lots could be improved, and there are things we don't like, like how app background activity is handled is not too transparent and neither customizable, etc, but those would be much easier to fix and maintain then reimplementing everything. hardware drivers are a problem, but it is anyway, and with android we at least have a working system with which reverse engineers can analyze the drivers in operation. certainly android is not the cleanest codebase but its not so bad either to warrant throwing it away. in the parts of the code I looked over the years, it's quite organized, but of course I have only seen very little.

[-] umbrella@lemmy.ml 3 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

i don't think niche devices can save us though.

we need banking, government apps, all sort of garbage that won't be allowed with a ten foot pole on these. rooted androids are barely allowed as it is.

[-] tomenzgg@midwest.social 2 points 3 days ago

Sure; but we won't close that gap immediately. Intermediate progress can be helpful for further progress.

[-] umbrella@lemmy.ml 1 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

sure, but ownership is something they are actively trying to block. i say that as a linux nerd.

and they won't be available in my country for a while i bet.

[-] cronenthal@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 4 days ago

So it would seem.

[-] pHr34kY@lemmy.world 21 points 4 days ago

The stepping-stone would be de-googled Android like LineageOS or GrapheneOS. I think Linux is the end-game though.

[-] kepix@lemmy.world 2 points 3 days ago

wish it would have support

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